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Originally posted by cenpuppie
reply to post by misteRee
i don't think my question can be answered as there seems to be too many factors such as immigration, mixed races, situations such as resources in countries, and weather changing body development or food sources etc.
Exactly, that's pretty much where i was going. Back in the day..they didn't have skin color issues..it was strictly based on nationality..there were alot..alot of black greeks. Arguing over who contributed what is moot, this racial problem was recently purposely constructed...so while we arguing amongst each other...those in the background rob us blind!
Originally posted by atlscribe
I've been in gifted classes since I was 7, took the SAT's with a respectable score at 13, as well as advanced placement courses throughout HS. I'm also a member of several High IQ societies. May be these scientists need to tell me what race I truly am, because as far as I am aware, I'm black.
[edit on 15-10-2009 by atlscribe]
Originally posted by SaturnFX
I wonder (assuming this is true, peer reviewed, etc) if its from genetic or environmental development.
Considering Africa for the most part of history was about physical superiority for survival and europe developed as more intellectual survival tactics over generations may answer why a african man is physically superior to a white man (averaging out here, there are exceptions all over the place).
Also, once it is reasonably understood without passion, the next question is, will it correct itself in a couple generations or should optional gene therapy be introduced.
Physical prowess in our species is no longer a absolute necessity for survival but mental prowess is and such therapys should be talked about...not just for any race but also in general for all of the population.
I know a few black men, and 2 of them are idiots, but the 3rd one is very gifted. The difference is the 2 grew up in urban roughness, etc...the 3rd came from a rough area but went to university and made something of himself...so, I dont believe there is a cap to how intellectual they are, however I am inclined to believe that their overall average intellectual growth has been stunted simply from environmental aspects.
Also, the tests are skewed. pretend you had a slave race that was in every real measure, kept down...then one day you free them, make them equal, and then a few years later wonder why this former slave race seems more ignorant about society than the comparison race...
So, nature and nurture both have been hammered a bit and so it is reasonable to assume that the average black man compared to the average white man for now is less. (but again, a genius black man and a genius white man are pretty damn equal)
Bah, difficult discussion but will toss a flag at it for bring it up for a reasonable discussion
(I would like for every race to score out like asians frankly...gene therapy...pills...whatever)
Originally posted by DChenO
aborigines in huts?
regardless those tests are context based.
one example is a question given to a little southwestern latino kid on an IQ test. how many people live in a 2 bed room house? he says 13 and fails the question.
i've taught kids of all colors, races and from every continent except australia...
and evenly across the board some are hecka brilliant and some aren't.
while the 'past tense' minorities by and large mostly have really hard economic and social environments and that has wiped out the middle achievers. though they are still sharp they are just street wise not work for the man wise...
Originally posted by AshleyD
Has anyone else noticed an increase in studies on IQ tests lately?
'Studies reveal whites are more intelligent than blacks.'
'Studies reveal atheists are more intelligent than theists.'
'Studies reveal [political affiliation] is more intelligent than [political affiliation.' (I've seen both sides for this one).
'Studies reveal males have higher IQ's than females.'
I'm all for examining the human condition and discovering new things even if the answer may be hard to handle. But all these divisive IQ studies of Group A vs. Group B seem to be on the rise.
Originally posted by ziggy1706
Also I would like to add this is pointless research because we all know that humans are idiots. *Me too - at least I'm honest*
LOL muzzleflash! The truth cant be said more proper or organized! I feel and find this sceintist fidning is racist and biased. For a world thats supopsed to be global, people living closer, they sure do always find a wayt o make sure we stay apart, bunch of meathead scientists they are.
So, why is it always whites and blacks? You never hear anything about white scientists saying anyting about eskimos(probably becuase they know an eskimo would outdo them in any survival skills), or a mongolian...im sure ghanges khans warrior genes are in some of those mongoles...outdo any viking warrior anyday..
I feel its biased, becuase for how long, has the system put down african americans? Alot fo african americans resorted to becoming drug dealers, going on welfare, more or less, simply becuase they were rejected jobs* by white owners bosses and the like. It is out thier, working in retail like i do,,its what i call silent discrinimation, kinda like yuor too old for us to hire you excuse* so..they sell too medium to high class white guys, who cosnume the posion, and give the $$$ to the black guy.
Its not meant to be biased, its just the statistics..really, who's the superior races then; )
Originally posted by Jean-Luc
If you have lived for more than a decade or two on earth this should be obvious.
Asians are at the top
Whites in the middle
blacks on the bottom
Yup, sounds about right
Originally posted by unicorn1
Well lets not focus on the whites here.
I used to work in Uganda. Most of the businesses were owned by Asians and there were more Asian managers. You could clearly see a difference between the mindset of Ugandan Asians and Ugandan blacks. Whether this was just down to a different way of thinking or innate intelligence I don't know. One thing immediately obvious was that the Asians were more ambitious and more organised. Whereas the black Ugandans tended to live in the moment, for that day. Whatever - in everyday function, it gave the Asians the advantage.
Plus my friends ran a safari business there and they used to actually distinguish between the different black cultures and bring in staff from certain other countries.
Just calling it like it was.
[edit on 27-10-2009 by unicorn1]
[edit on 27-10-2009 by unicorn1]
[edit on 27-10-2009 by unicorn1]
Originally posted by OhZone
How about we reverse the question?
Instead of why didn't Africa .......?
Make it, Why did white europeans become inventors, philosophers and explorers?
Why didn't they just keep on with the hunting and gathering lifestyle?
Originally posted by Fromabove
When I was younger, about 20 years ago, I heard a theory of why IQ may lack in some, and it wasn't race but the shape of the skull cavity that revealed this. I'll break it down as I heard it.
1. A cavity that allows for a pronounced forehead and high crest (top) with a somewhat smaller back shows increased mental awareness, intellect, and deeper thought.
2. A cavity that shows a smaller forehead and crest (top) and smaller back, relating to equal proportions shows a lower IQ, less intellect, and more shallow thought patterns. Such a person becomes easily confused and exhibits a more aggressive attitude. The person tends to follow commands at times without question believing things that are told without thinking it through.
3. A cavity where there is a sloping forehead and high crest (top) and pronounced back show athletic ability and a heightened sense of awareness and agility. The senses are keener sharper than the above two cases. The person will exhibit a low to average IQ, but will not be limited as in the description above in number 2. This person tends to stay to the physical ability attributes and this often compensates for the lack of intellect. Learning is slightly more difficult but not impossible.
For some time I did some observation as to if this had some validity, and this is what I noticed. Athletic achievers tend to be the third case. Criminals tend to be the second case. Scientists tend to be the first case. This goes across the racial spectrum and does not presuppose a racial bias.
Type 1 people:
Note: You will notice here that there are some murderers and serial killers included. They use their high IQ for the hunt and to gain the ultimate satisfaction of completing the planned outcome. Yet in all cases, these people plan, plot, and execute their plan.
Criminals, druggies, Often work low wage jobs doing what they're told. get into fights a lot.
Super athletes requiring great agility and stamina where the sport is rigorous and less IQ is needed. Type 1 can be athletes using IQ, such as the Olympics. Cycling, Hockey, Baseball etc.
Race is not a factor in IQ, the shape of your brain cavity is.
[edit on 8-4-2010 by Fromabove]
Im saying that most of the progression in the world that we have today, computers, philosophy, motor engine, electricity, quantam physics etc. seem to be all prominentely white men. Isn't that strange?