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reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 11:09 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by parrothead0333


Spoken like a true Jimmy Buffet fan! Good for you, no one should be forced to pay a big corporation or the government for a gaurantee of the medical care the big corporations or the government WANT to GIVE you.

It is always the care that they WANT to give you and not always the care you really NEED or would most benefit from.

What people should be focused on is why a few pennies in chemicals for drugs can sometimes cost the consumer thousands even though it took pennies to make.

What people should be focused on is why a couple dollars in wiring, and a couple dollars more in metal, and a couple more dollars in circuit boards translates into a piece of equipment that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of dollars for someone being paid 28.00 an hour to use for 15 minutes on you!

People as usual have been led, that's right LED to focus on validating the lies and the myths, that translate to profits for the merchants of death, and that's all they are is businessment who profit off of sickness and death and to believe that we should all give up a significant portion of what little we can work for, beg, borrow or steal that hasn't been horded by the corporations to pay BIG for the promise of living another DAY in the world they OWN and we pay high rent to borrow a few gulps of precious air from them on.

The people of this nation have become like the person who accidently gives a hitchiking bank robber a ride and start helping him plan how to get away even though he is not going to share the riches of his heist.

In fact he's not even going to give you money for gas!


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 11:37 PM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by KingAtlas


I think that doing away with the bankrupting Military Industrial Complex and imperialistic wars of agression would pay for those breast cancer operations a 1,000 times over.

I think we already pay way to many taxes for what we actually get in legitimate services.

I person who makes 45,000 a year pays about 6,000 in Federal Income Tax, I honestly can't think of 6,000 dollars of anything the government provides me in return.

Can you?


reply posted on 12-10-2009 @ 11:58 PM by Zosynspiracy
reply to post by KingAtlas


You know what the baby boomers are one of the most endowed generation ever to exist. They sure as heck don't need my measly tax dollars to pay for their healthcare. Let them take care of each other. They all have PLENTY OF MONEY! My generation is barely able to get by these days without incurring large amounts of debt. The baby boomers have had a good life. Don't feel too sorry for them.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:16 AM by truthquest
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


You raise a good point. The absolutely terrible argument for mandatory insurance is that young people today refuse to buy insurance yet don't pay for emergency visits. And the reason its terrible is obvious: the vast majority of the new disasterous insurance program will not go to emergency rooms.

Its amazing how every time someone from the government forces something upon us to "solve a problem" it seems like the solution and problem are entirely unrelated to each other. Sorry but health insurance and the emergency room bills are only loosely related. I don't remember ever asking for emergency rooms to be forced to take me if I don't have the money. Not one time have I asked for that. This is just pure and brute force strong-armed bullying by authoritarian thugs.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:18 AM by Bunch
reply to post by KingAtlas


I dont know but sometimes I wonder. I only have lived in Puerto Rico which is a US colony and in the continental US so I only have to deal with the "american society". But my impression of the american society is one where no one cares for each other not even families. No one prepares for nothing, the dont care or pay attention to important things. They live in the what can I do for ME today and that about it.



reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 12:27 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


You raise a good point. The absolutely terrible argument for mandatory insurance is that young people today refuse to buy insurance yet don't pay for emergency visits. And the reason its terrible is obvious: the vast majority of the new disasterous insurance program will not go to emergency rooms.

Its amazing how every time someone from the government forces something upon us to "solve a problem" it seems like the solution and problem are entirely unrelated to each other. Sorry but health insurance and the emergency room bills are only loosely related. I don't remember ever asking for emergency rooms to be forced to take me if I don't have the money. Not one time have I asked for that. This is just pure and brute force strong-armed bullying by authoritarian thugs.


I can't tell you how many times I have gone to emergency rooms and paid cash for the visit and the second the staff understood I was actually going to pay cash right then and there they bumbed me to the head of the line of people waiting even though people with much more serious problems who were paying with insurance had been waiting significantly longer.

The reality is many people can pay for their own modest medical care and people who aren't insured or are insured but their insurance does not cover cerain illnesses do die or continually suffer because they can't afford treatment or their insurance company won't cover the treatment that might be helpful or save their lives.

Where will we all be in a system where my cash is no longer taken and the other insurers went out of business because the government took over and the government now says "Treatment not an Option" "Treatment Denied" or "Does not fit the parameters for Treatment"?


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 02:01 AM by cybertroy
We've totally forgotten how to pay real money for things. Credit cards and insurance. What ever happened to having money put away for a rainy day? With insurance, it's like you are making a plan to be sick in the future. I haven't been to the hospital in many years for anything other than a visit, and I'm not "planning" on it. And I'm supposed to fork over hundreds of dollars a year for what? I would rather put that money in the bank.

Car insurance. Hundreds of dollars of my money forceably taken, or I don't get to drive, unless I pay $300 or so dollars a year for an uninsured motorist.

Money taken away, that I never use. I'm not like some people. I'm not sitting around worried that I'm going to get sick or I'm going to be involved in some horrific accident. I take my vitamins, I work out, and I actually think positive about what will happen to me in my future.

Credit cards and insurance. We have the luxury of overpaying for something that probably should have costed a lot less.

We are scammed into worrying about our mental and physical health, and so we buy insurance, "just in case." And we spend boatloads of money on poisonous medicine. For what? So we can get sicker, and put even more money into the system.

We've forgotten about cash, real money, real savings to get us through tough times. Our dreams for financial freedom are replaced by credit card debt, and monthly insurance payments. Our lives have been cheapened. And music seems to drill into our head the fact that being a poor working man with mountains of bills is a great way of life. The hell it is. I hate living like a bum, and having a hard time buying simple things. If someone else doesn't want to live the life of luxury, then by god I'll take that life style in your place!

Insurance is just another debt that we pay for endlessly, and get little in return, unless you happen to be one of those who frequents hospitals, and/or downs bottles and bottles of medication.

Troy


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 07:02 AM by marg6043
reply to post by KingAtlas


We already support those that can not support themselves is call welfare, food stamps and Medicare and Medicaid, or do you think that is free? no is not, check your pay check stub and look at how much you pay for those that can not help themselves.

Guess what is going to get worst, as with not public option now the government is going to handle subsidies from your pay check taxes to help even more as the cost of Medicare and Medicaid are cut, including the untouchable retirees government benefits that now we will be forced to pay for private insurance.

So the government can save money to keep enriching the coffers of those that runs the government behind the presidential seat.

Still now the corrupted insurance companies are starting to realized that putting 40,000 million new policies in their books is going to suck their profits so now they are warning that premiums will be raised get ready tax payer because we are going for another ride on another fail attempt of government forcing people into what they want.

Because is not what the public and voters want, but what their corrupted masters wants.

We all suffer.



[edit on 13-10-2009 by marg6043]


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 09:01 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by marg6043


Well put marg6043 it really does not matter what we the voters, citizens, tax payers want.

The politicians care only about making their corporate doners happy and endlessly expanding the government for the sake of their own power.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 09:39 AM by marg6043
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


The sad thing is that is still many that believe the government only works for their benefit.

pitiful.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 01:01 PM by marg6043
reply to post by Sky watcher


Well at least under the health care reform you will fall under the new guidelines of Medicare benefits, but with the cost that will be done to it, I can only imagine the waiting list to be longer.

Sorry to hear that you have fallen under the economic woes, thanks to the morons running this nation to the ground.


reply posted on 13-10-2009 @ 01:53 PM by tomfrusso
reply to post by colec156


Wait until you need to get medical care. Be happy your young and healthy, cause one day your gonna be old and sick and only then will you be pissed about your healthcare.

Remember what the Emperer said to Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi, "Young fool, only now, in the end, due you understand"!!!

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