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Healthy young adult 'invincibles' may face healthcare mandate

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posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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I guess I am one of these "invincibles" because I have never been sick really in the last 30 years. I had chicken pox 4 times when i was very little and strep once in high school. I even have Becker's Muscular Dystrophy and my immune system is working just fine. I eat mostly healthy food, I don't smoke, I don't drink, and take my vitamins daily. I have never had health insurance and I will not buy health insurance. If that means I go to jail then I will go to jail. I promise you I will not pay for health insurance and the government better think really carefully about making health insurance mandatory. It is my body and you cannot make me pay for something I don't want. They want to make this like car insurance but its not anywhere near the same thing.




posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:09 PM
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Spoken like a true Jimmy Buffet fan! Good for you, no one should be forced to pay a big corporation or the government for a gaurantee of the medical care the big corporations or the government WANT to GIVE you.

It is always the care that they WANT to give you and not always the care you really NEED or would most benefit from.

What people should be focused on is why a few pennies in chemicals for drugs can sometimes cost the consumer thousands even though it took pennies to make.

What people should be focused on is why a couple dollars in wiring, and a couple dollars more in metal, and a couple more dollars in circuit boards translates into a piece of equipment that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars and thousands of dollars for someone being paid 28.00 an hour to use for 15 minutes on you!

People as usual have been led, that's right LED to focus on validating the lies and the myths, that translate to profits for the merchants of death, and that's all they are is businessment who profit off of sickness and death and to believe that we should all give up a significant portion of what little we can work for, beg, borrow or steal that hasn't been horded by the corporations to pay BIG for the promise of living another DAY in the world they OWN and we pay high rent to borrow a few gulps of precious air from them on.

The people of this nation have become like the person who accidently gives a hitchiking bank robber a ride and start helping him plan how to get away even though he is not going to share the riches of his heist.

In fact he's not even going to give you money for gas!



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by marg6043
Noe only mandate that they get health care but now private insurance wants to also penalized those that do not get health care in timely manner after the health care reform is passed.

But with the warning on the raising cost of health care by the private insurance on consumers things are not looking good for the voting on Tuesday.


This is what they Health Insurance industry wants, they want the entire cake for them, they fought back hard the public option because it will mandate them to be fair with their prices in order to stay in bussiness...now that the public option is almost dead...they want the mandate from the government for everbody to have insurance.

The health industry dont care about you or my health they care about the bottom line. I came to realize that without no public option this bill wont change anything, they way is looking they should leave thing as they are....and then when people come with their medical insurance horror stories just tell them ..."we told you so."



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:25 PM
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I might be wrong but, isnt he reason that "everyone pays" is so that the elderly and the really sick don't get stuck paying huge bills? It really seems selfish to me that it's such a big deal that the american people are having such a hard time supporting their fellow americans. What if your mother found out she had breast cancer, the cost would be enourmous if she had to pay it alone, but if everyone pitches a little then it wouldn't be so bad for the individual. Its kinda sad that a large part of the populace has such a big problem with it... at least thats what i think.



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:37 PM
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I think that doing away with the bankrupting Military Industrial Complex and imperialistic wars of agression would pay for those breast cancer operations a 1,000 times over.

I think we already pay way to many taxes for what we actually get in legitimate services.

I person who makes 45,000 a year pays about 6,000 in Federal Income Tax, I honestly can't think of 6,000 dollars of anything the government provides me in return.

Can you?



posted on Oct, 12 2009 @ 11:58 PM
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You know what the baby boomers are one of the most endowed generation ever to exist. They sure as heck don't need my measly tax dollars to pay for their healthcare. Let them take care of each other. They all have PLENTY OF MONEY! My generation is barely able to get by these days without incurring large amounts of debt. The baby boomers have had a good life. Don't feel too sorry for them.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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You raise a good point. The absolutely terrible argument for mandatory insurance is that young people today refuse to buy insurance yet don't pay for emergency visits. And the reason its terrible is obvious: the vast majority of the new disasterous insurance program will not go to emergency rooms.

Its amazing how every time someone from the government forces something upon us to "solve a problem" it seems like the solution and problem are entirely unrelated to each other. Sorry but health insurance and the emergency room bills are only loosely related. I don't remember ever asking for emergency rooms to be forced to take me if I don't have the money. Not one time have I asked for that. This is just pure and brute force strong-armed bullying by authoritarian thugs.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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I dont know but sometimes I wonder. I only have lived in Puerto Rico which is a US colony and in the continental US so I only have to deal with the "american society". But my impression of the american society is one where no one cares for each other not even families. No one prepares for nothing, the dont care or pay attention to important things. They live in the what can I do for ME today and that about it.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


You raise a good point. The absolutely terrible argument for mandatory insurance is that young people today refuse to buy insurance yet don't pay for emergency visits. And the reason its terrible is obvious: the vast majority of the new disasterous insurance program will not go to emergency rooms.

Its amazing how every time someone from the government forces something upon us to "solve a problem" it seems like the solution and problem are entirely unrelated to each other. Sorry but health insurance and the emergency room bills are only loosely related. I don't remember ever asking for emergency rooms to be forced to take me if I don't have the money. Not one time have I asked for that. This is just pure and brute force strong-armed bullying by authoritarian thugs.


I can't tell you how many times I have gone to emergency rooms and paid cash for the visit and the second the staff understood I was actually going to pay cash right then and there they bumbed me to the head of the line of people waiting even though people with much more serious problems who were paying with insurance had been waiting significantly longer.

The reality is many people can pay for their own modest medical care and people who aren't insured or are insured but their insurance does not cover cerain illnesses do die or continually suffer because they can't afford treatment or their insurance company won't cover the treatment that might be helpful or save their lives.

Where will we all be in a system where my cash is no longer taken and the other insurers went out of business because the government took over and the government now says "Treatment not an Option" "Treatment Denied" or "Does not fit the parameters for Treatment"?



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:01 AM
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We've totally forgotten how to pay real money for things. Credit cards and insurance. What ever happened to having money put away for a rainy day? With insurance, it's like you are making a plan to be sick in the future. I haven't been to the hospital in many years for anything other than a visit, and I'm not "planning" on it. And I'm supposed to fork over hundreds of dollars a year for what? I would rather put that money in the bank.

Car insurance. Hundreds of dollars of my money forceably taken, or I don't get to drive, unless I pay $300 or so dollars a year for an uninsured motorist.

Money taken away, that I never use. I'm not like some people. I'm not sitting around worried that I'm going to get sick or I'm going to be involved in some horrific accident. I take my vitamins, I work out, and I actually think positive about what will happen to me in my future.

Credit cards and insurance. We have the luxury of overpaying for something that probably should have costed a lot less.

We are scammed into worrying about our mental and physical health, and so we buy insurance, "just in case." And we spend boatloads of money on poisonous medicine. For what? So we can get sicker, and put even more money into the system.

We've forgotten about cash, real money, real savings to get us through tough times. Our dreams for financial freedom are replaced by credit card debt, and monthly insurance payments. Our lives have been cheapened. And music seems to drill into our head the fact that being a poor working man with mountains of bills is a great way of life. The hell it is. I hate living like a bum, and having a hard time buying simple things. If someone else doesn't want to live the life of luxury, then by god I'll take that life style in your place!

Insurance is just another debt that we pay for endlessly, and get little in return, unless you happen to be one of those who frequents hospitals, and/or downs bottles and bottles of medication.

Troy



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 06:48 AM
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What's all the outrage about ATS?????

I thought this was the HOPE & CHANGE you folks voted for....

By the way - hows that working out for ya??????

I mean after all, G.W. Bush was a tyrant, dictator, evil, devil, secretive, non-transparent...blah...blah...blah

After what everyone on this site called bush - you guys should be happy about this.

And TOO FREAK'N BAD if you gotta pay into the health care system. After all, aren't we all socialists now?????

Everyones' gotta pay.....

Maybe next time Americans go to the polls and vote, they'll do some investigating on the candidates instead of buying a line of bull....



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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We already support those that can not support themselves is call welfare, food stamps and Medicare and Medicaid, or do you think that is free? no is not, check your pay check stub and look at how much you pay for those that can not help themselves.

Guess what is going to get worst, as with not public option now the government is going to handle subsidies from your pay check taxes to help even more as the cost of Medicare and Medicaid are cut, including the untouchable retirees government benefits that now we will be forced to pay for private insurance.

So the government can save money to keep enriching the coffers of those that runs the government behind the presidential seat.

Still now the corrupted insurance companies are starting to realized that putting 40,000 million new policies in their books is going to suck their profits so now they are warning that premiums will be raised get ready tax payer because we are going for another ride on another fail attempt of government forcing people into what they want.

Because is not what the public and voters want, but what their corrupted masters wants.

We all suffer.



[edit on 13-10-2009 by marg6043]



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 09:01 AM
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Well put marg6043 it really does not matter what we the voters, citizens, tax payers want.

The politicians care only about making their corporate doners happy and endlessly expanding the government for the sake of their own power.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 09:39 AM
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The sad thing is that is still many that believe the government only works for their benefit.

pitiful.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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I am currently un-employed. Obama made my employer pay 60% for my HMO because they layed me off and had paid it all along but that will soon stop. My policy is $580.00 a month and guess what? THEY RAISED IT so as soon as I have to pay out of my pocket again they think they will recover their losses with the now higher premium.

Obama, Bush and company crushed the economy, Put me out of a job and those asses should have to pay for it for as long as it takes for me to find a good job with paid insurance benifates.

I am all for a better health system but they wont force this white boy to do jack.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 01:01 PM
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Well at least under the health care reform you will fall under the new guidelines of Medicare benefits, but with the cost that will be done to it, I can only imagine the waiting list to be longer.

Sorry to hear that you have fallen under the economic woes, thanks to the morons running this nation to the ground.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 01:25 PM
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Sorry if this point was already made. This issue strikes me as ironic. Young people were a major reason why Obama won the election. The slogans of "Change", "Hope" and "Yes We Can" really appealed to young voters as well as the opportunity to make history by voting in the first black president. Many of them didn't think that they were voting for mandates for health insurance and penalties for non-participation. The slogan "You bought it, now you own it" comes to mind.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 01:36 PM
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I am a young healthy adult and I too pay for a health insurance scheme.

It is called the NHS here in England.

Yes they take some of my monthly wage to help pay for this but it also goes to playing for alot more. Do i agree how the UK govt use my cash ? not always, I do however appreciate having a health service that will treat me without looking at my financial status.
Yes the NHS is not perfect, but I would not swap it at all for private medical insurance..

My opinion, don't slate me for it.



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 01:53 PM
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Wait until you need to get medical care. Be happy your young and healthy, cause one day your gonna be old and sick and only then will you be pissed about your healthcare.

Remember what the Emperer said to Luke Skywalker in Return of the Jedi, "Young fool, only now, in the end, due you understand"!!!

[edit on 13-10-2009 by tomfrusso]



posted on Oct, 13 2009 @ 02:07 PM
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More regulations forcing people to do annoying things!



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