A challenge to all ATS

mod response scorecard
mod 1: applause and ATS 500 points
mod 2: move from ufo board to the Gray area
mod 3: move from the Gray area to ATS skunkworks.

Don't know what it means if anything but I found it interesting enough.

reply to post by Tamale_214


Have you considered regular old bonafide paranoia?
Not saying that there isn't a reason for the paranoia.
Kigpen(sp?) hit on precisely what I think accounts for, at least MY, feelings in these regards (regardless of my previous responses, I know what you speak of, albeit on a different level)...
PTSD.

And the reason I suggested a "break from the action" is that PTSD is an emotional disorder. It can be beaten from within.
Or perhaps, spend some time in the metaphysical forums. They have done me a world of good when things were getting weird for me.

reply to post by Tamale_214


One mod likes what you have to say.
Another realized this isn't something that belonged on the UFO boards.
Yet another realized that it isn't something that belongs in the Gray area.

I would say it belongs in the psychological forum, myself.

Or even better than saying that this should be in the psychological forum, I would say that ATS should have an abductee forum...

But I know that is swinging for the fences.
Not to mention that most would be too insecure even posting there.

reply to post by JayinAR

silly me, I actually had to google PTSD! It's not out of the question, however it implies that something traumatic has occurred. If something traumatic is occurring to me in my dreams might it not include some cognitive tinkering?

I'm open to any and all possibility however, as it stands I do find myself intuitively leaning to one over others **as his forehead begins to throb in a gentle fashion much like that described by yogis and monks** :-)

reply to post by Tamale_214


Not necessarily.
It could be a by-product of whatever is occuring via your body's own natural defense mechanisms.

reply to post by Tamale_214

Have you or do you find that you encounter unusual headaches, nausea, anxiety, or other type of physiological or psychological aversions when reading a certain type of material on the internet or in books?

No, can't say as I have, and believe me, I read everything on these subjects as comes into my hands. I also am a strong believer in electronic mind control, from my Father's association with Camp Hero and after having read the actual U.S. Patents for these devices, over 100 of them registered.
www.apfn.org...
www.rexresearch.com...
www.surfingtheapocalypse.com...

If you are having these symptoms when you read, or write about these subjects, I would say you are a victim of this, and probably have been abducted too. An MRI will tell the tale, but! Check your U2s and I will tell you something I cannot post here.

reply to post by Tamale_214


You know it is getting really bad when you are on the verge of weeping while telling your wife that "they" are very near the house at this very moment.

That is when it is DEFINATELY time to chill for a few.

reply to post by Tamale_214


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Tamale_214,

You don't actually come across as 'deluded'
as you (partially) present yourself in the OP?

It is hardly a surprise however.

You don't seem to be a 'newbie' when it comes to psychology?

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"The purpose of this thread will be to discuss and/or examine the theory that dreamtime/astral/psychological abductions occur regularly and that ET or ExtraDimensional forces may routinely affect an individual's cognitive
processes in order to direct them to or away from certain information as said individual researches their own and others' experiences."

So, you are here to 'promote' the so-called 'abduction' agenda?

A subject that relates to outdated theories on the actual
validity of Hypnosis as 'a means to find truth'.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by Tamale_214
"I honestly have a terrible fear that this thread will go mostly ignored and if
it does I will consider it to be a partial validation of my theory"

Anyone not resonating with your post, by your definition,
is confirming your hypothesis indirectly?

That is not logic, its delusion.

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Facts? Friend in the field of UFOLOGY and Extra terrestrial abductions, there
are very few facts available to the public."

I say, facts in 'ufology' are abundant, for those with the eyes to see.

Facts relating to "abduction", however, are indeed non existent?

This latter fact, doesn't mean 'something' to you?

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"again, I direct you to the links in my OP, I am not the first person to ask
probing questions with regards to mind control scenarios."

IMO, this thread all by itself seems a "mind-control scenario", designed to
lure the confused and gullible to start believing and sharing irrational
thought constructs based on ordinary worldly Human emotions?

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"if you had read the entire thread you
will have seen that I am indeed seeking professional help"

I did notice, but I'm not buying it, sorry.

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Incidentally, how is that appeal to emotion working for you?"

My 'emotions' are of no importance to your 'quest'?

I stand by my earlier conclusion:

Subject of this thread is another one of those mere emotional appeals
to submit to fear and irrationality.

To each his own.

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Hmm, often when I am doing something I'll experience a headache, maybe even eye-ache and I'll just want to stop. Listening to the 'YES' song 'The More We Live Let Go' I felt an immense amount of pleasure for two days straight before trudging through four days of the worst headache imaginable; but that was to be expected I suppose. But now I am physically unable to complete the novella I was writing when that happened; all I have to do is think about it and I get a terrible headache for the thought's duration. Sometimes when I'm reading people's threads on here I get frustrated and have to shut it down or just exit the thread.

Usually if, following/during an activity, I get the symptoms you have described (or some of them I should say) I go through a period of extreme pleasure first- as though my brain is pulsating and sending jets of electric niceness into my blood to be carried through me. Then the same happens when the pain starts. I don't know why, I don't like it though.

I've never contemplated suicide though or even self harming; but yes i think that I can relate to you to an extent. But you know, I like walking, on my own, so that I can think about things such as books I might want to write or possible paintings I might want to paint. I used to walk for hours doing this, but now when I do for half an hour I find myself in agony because my head begins to hurt. Maybe it's just because my brilliance is too much for my physicality to handle, but does anyone else get that? In fact, now that I think about it, I can't do much of anything I enjoy now without having to stop because of headaches/eye-aches/irritation etc and now, as I am writing this, a load bang, similar to a gun being fired, just echoed into my living room. Sorry why did I write that? but yeah.

Ramadwarf on listening to music, writing a novella and bad headaches

Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Tamale_214

 

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Tamale_214,

You don't actually come across as 'deluded'
as you (partially) present yourself in the OP?

It is hardly a surprise however.

You don't seem to be a 'newbie' when it comes to psychology?

sol12
I don't particularly feel deluded. Of course I can only partially present myself in the OP as to fully disclose everything that brings me where I am today would take far too long, a look at some of my previous posts including my introduction post might fill in some holes. As to your implication that I am versed in psychology, my education background is in English Literature and Moral Philosophy, though I had once considered going to law school, I gave up that idea in order to follow a career as a chef (i'm a pretty good cook)

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"The purpose of this thread will be to discuss and/or examine the theory that dreamtime/astral/psychological abductions occur regularly and that ET or ExtraDimensional forces may routinely affect an individual's cognitive
processes in order to direct them to or away from certain information as said individual researches their own and others' experiences."

So, you are here to 'promote' the so-called 'abduction' agenda?

A subject that relates to outdated theories on the actual
validity of Hypnosis as 'a means to find truth'.

I think that my purpose is clearly stated in my quote. I don't have any particular agenda but to discover the truth of my experiences and to integrate them into my life. I have no experience with hypno-regression except for what I have read in some articles (except for a failed attempt to help me quit smoking). The purpose of this thread is to engage in others' experiences with the goal of understanding my own. The best way I know how to do this in a forum like this is to present a hypothesis and ask people for their insights one way or the other.

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Originally posted by Tamale_214
"I honestly have a terrible fear that this thread will go mostly ignored and if
it does I will consider it to be a partial validation of my theory"


Anyone not resonating with your post, by your definition,
is confirming your hypothesis indirectly?

That is not logic, its delusion.

that is also not what I wrote. I would indeed find it strange if this post went completely ignored given that "I'm an alien, ask me a question" thread can go on seemingly forever. My purpose is to ask people, like yourself, a probing question and see how they respond. thus far some have concurred with my hypothesis, others have respectfully argued against it and others have ridiculed it. Pretty much what I expected.

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Facts? Friend in the field of UFOLOGY and Extra terrestrial abductions, there
are very few facts available to the public."


I say, facts in 'ufology' are abundant, for those with the eyes to see.

Facts relating to "abduction", however, are indeed non existent?

This latter fact, doesn't mean 'something' to you?

I have never seen a UFO, yet I believe that they exist as there is evidence to lead me to that conclusion. Likewise, there is evidence that abductions have occurred, thousands of abductees have come forward and given testimony, implants have been removed from peoples bodies, MILABS have been confirmed by whistleblowers. There are very few facts to speak of, however there is plenty of evidence for both UFOs and abductions.

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"again, I direct you to the links in my OP, I am not the first person to ask
probing questions with regards to mind control scenarios."


IMO, this thread all by itself seems a "mind-control scenario", designed to
lure the confused and gullible to start believing and sharing irrational
thought constructs based on ordinary worldly Human emotions?

Sadly, I'm not clever enough to devise a mind control scenario of the sort you seem to think that I am. I have no desire to "lure the confused and gullible", in fact I certainly AM the confused. My only interest is in understanding the world and my place in it better than I currently do. I'm not interested in irrational thoughts, I'm interested in rational thoughts whether they be based on the ordinary or the extraordinary

Originally posted by Tamale_214
"if you had read the entire thread you
will have seen that I am indeed seeking professional help"


I stand by my earlier conclusion:

Subject of this thread is another one of those mere emotional appeals
to submit to fear and irrationality.

To each his own.

indeed. Let me conclude by quoting from your public profile:
"What do I believe?

ET is here,
to serve
the Will and the Aspirations
of Mankind.

They do not interfere,
nor will they ever,
as they only act under Law."

I personally also believe that ET is here, however I think that it is dangerous to conclude from what little we know that they will NEVER interfere. I am not here to promote love and light, nor am i here to promote fear or disharmony. I prefer to live within the shades of grey that lie in between as that is the middle path of truth.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/02025f344009.jpg[/atsimg]

by the way, what emotion or reaction is this image intended to evoke?

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reply to post by Ramadwarf Philes


thanks for your thoughts, I guess what I'm trying to discern with this thread is are there very particular topics or articles that you feel averse to reading or viewing? Headaches are normal, eyestrain is normal. Can you pinpoint a topic that seems to "cause" these sensations?
By the way I love YES.
cheers,
tamale

reply to post by Tamale_214


Hmm, I've thought hard and I think it's 'spirituality'. Not in a religious sense though. I mean the song was very spiritual as I'm sure you're aware, and the story I was/am (ahem) writing is very psychological and based on the soul as a physical, all powerful, presence. Of course most of the headaches I get are probably brought on by thinking too much and pushing my creativity to its limits and beyond, but I reckon it was the idea of the spirit and the soul that gave me the symptoms I described prior.

Ramadwarf on thinking about what thoughts hurt

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The Bush Baby and our instincts.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/02025f344009.jpg[/atsimg]

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Some folks in this world, like Bush
are/were attempting to cause tremendous fear and stress into this world.

This image seems to tell that the instincts of the baby
were going on red-alert when Bush was holding him.

It's pretty funny, and revealing at the same time.

Many grown-ups no longer trust their instincts?

Our 'leaders' are using the media to play with people's emotions
and to arouse certain emotions, in order to push certain agendas.

Problem/reaction/solution.

You too, knowingly or not appear to be 'preying'
on feelings of anxiety/stress/discomfort in your post?

There is no logical rationale to consider abduction
a factual phenomenon, as indicated by your hypothesis?

Hence, I find it difficult to relate to your approach.

You indicate you have a problem/experience.

Why not post it, instead of 'fishing' for 'something'
nobody, not even you, is sure about?

re: "abduction".

I could show you centuries of documented 'PROOF' that the earth is flat?

Countless of generations have submitted to this belief?

(As I wrote at the link provided earlier)

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Originally posted by Tamale_214
Let me conclude by quoting from your public profile:

I don't see the point of dragging
(a snippet) of my public profile into this thread?

Since you've brought it up:

There is no "middle path of truth".

There is only Truth.

Truth is the Law.

ET acts under Law.

That is why ET does not land in front of the white house.

They seek to engage with all of Humanity.

Not with just a bunch of rogue 'leaders'.

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Finally,

To clear out my point of view
regarding the subject of this thread:

Energy flows where our attention goes.

We are all co-creators of the sad/false reality presently surrounding us.

We are not impotent.

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/78058ffb2baa.gif[/atsimg]

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In the interests of thread continuity, I have U2Ued you (sol12) a response to your last post. I hope that this thread can continue unabated without the side discussion interrupting.

tamale

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reply to post by Tamale_214

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Are you really up to the challenge?

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I have responded entirely on-topic
to a thread you have posted in a public forum?

This is your thread.

I have no intention to "derail" anything,
as you have more or less insinuated?

So, what is the actual subject here?

Is it "abduction"?

Is it about vague emotions of nausea/etc..?

In either case,

You have asked some questions on this thread,
and I have responded, on-topic, according to the way I tick.

If you can't handle that,
you shouldn't be posting your issues in a public forum.

Hence, regarding my posts on this thread,
I will not answer any of your questions by u2u.

My only interest here is an open and fair debate.

I leave it entirely up to you
to judge my writings as you please.

Regards,

Sol12.

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p.s:

Man is Universal.

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very interesting keep it up

Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Tamale_214

 

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Are you really up to the challenge?

Indeed Sol12. Yes I am, I have nothing to hide only much to learn.

I have responded entirely on-topic
to a thread you have posted in a public forum?
This is your thread.
I have no intention to "derail" anything,
as you have more or less insinuated?

No Sol12, I didn't imply that you were intending to derail anything, merely concerned that your long posts and my even longer replies make for difficult reading of this thread. This concerns me because I do indeed wish for people to engage in my hypothesis.

So, what is the actual subject here?

Is it "abduction"?

Is it about vague emotions of nausea/etc..?

The subject that I am interested in has been clearly laid out in my OP however I will repost my thesis again here

The purpose of this thread will be to discuss and/or examine the theory that dreamtime/astral/psychological abductions occur regularly and that ET or ExtraDimensional forces may routinely affect an individual's cognitive processes in order to direct them to or away from certain information as said individual researches their own and others' experiences.

I have not as yet drawn any final conclusions as I was hoping for some insight from other posters.

In either case,

You have asked some questions on this thread,
and I have responded, on-topic, according to the way I tick.
If you can't handle that,
you shouldn't be posting your issues in a public forum.
Hence, regarding my posts on this thread,
I will not answer any of your questions by u2u.
My only interest here is an open and fair debate.
I leave it entirely up to you
to judge my writings as you please.

I'm not certain that I agree that you have responded entirely on-topic, however, since a subsequent poster has expressed some interest in this debate, I will continue. later on today I will repost that which I U2Ued you and we can continue from there if you so desire.

reply to post by Tamale_214


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Thanks Tamale.

I've tried to express my point of view re: your quest,
here on the thread.

Your subject is interesting,
and I'll await where you want to take the discussion from here.

I'm happy to add some additional thoughts,
where appropriate.

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reply to post by Sol12

Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Tamale_214

The Bush Baby and our instincts.
Some folks in this world, like Bush
are/were attempting to cause tremendous fear and stress into this world.

This image seems to tell that the instincts of the baby
were going on red-alert when Bush was holding him.

It's pretty funny, and revealing at the same time.

Ok, I totally get it now and I agree, it is funny and revealing at the same time. Indeed we've all seen babies or children who have followed their immediate instincts and developed a fear or shown disdain for someone/something. Almost as if the baby can read into the person's soul and immediately feels their true intentions. It is a telling image indeed.

Many grown-ups no longer trust their instincts?

Our 'leaders' are using the media to play with people's emotions
and to arouse certain emotions, in order to push certain agendas.

Problem/reaction/solution.

You too, knowingly or not appear to be 'preying'
on feelings of anxiety/stress/discomfort in your post?

am I preying? I don't think that that is a fair statement, In my life I am a very positive person, I don't succumb to fear easily, I tend to view all experiences to be something to learn from. I don't tend to look at the world all rosy and pink though, the image that you posted is a pretty good indication of why not. I like to look at the world as it is with a keen understanding and belief that it can be much much more.

There is no logical rationale to consider abduction
a factual phenomenon, as indicated by your hypothesis?

Hence, I find it difficult to relate to your approach.

I find these statements difficult to reconcile. If you are prepared (and clearly you are) to believe that ET visit Earth how do you discount wholescale that abductions occur? In my logic classes in university we would call this a hasty generalisation. I'm very interested in why you think that all ET must be benevolent. Have you had direct experiences that confirm this? If so I'm extremely interested to know what they might be and how they were conveyed to you.

You indicate you have a problem/experience.

Why not post it, instead of 'fishing' for 'something'
nobody, not even you, is sure about?

re: "abduction".

Sure. I've alluded to it several times. In the past 9 months I have had experiences that may or may not involve extra terrestrial or extra dimensional entities. I have had visions or hallucinations that have impressed both positive and negative effects upon me. I have had experiences of sleep disturbance including paralysis that have accompanied many of these experiences, in one case i had an out of body experience that was accompanied by a vision of a shadow figure in my bedroom that did not strike me as kind and glowy and full of light. I subsequently have found that certain reading materials have caused in me a physiological aversion and I created this thread, in order to understand if I am alone in my experiences...I am not. As I've said often, I am open to many different possible causes or reasons for these experiences including psychosis, PTSD, physical tumour and alien interaction. However, I am not prepared to accept a conclusion for the simple reason that it goes against someone else's love and light world view...I'm going to need a more reasonable explanation than that. Frankly, many writers and researchers indeed go as far as to suggest that the love and light worldview is a trap devised by extra terrestrials who ultimately want to dominate the human race. I don't know if this is the case but I see no good reason for not exploring it as a possibility.

I could show you centuries of documented 'PROOF' that the earth is flat?

No. Truly you cannot. You could show me centuries of documented evidence that suggests this, however without exception, all of that evidence would be faulty.

Countless of generations have submitted to this belief?

Yes. And they were all mistaken, poorly educated and/or misquided; And, interestingly the rational scientists and explorers who challenged this worldview were often if not uniformly categorized as enemies of the state, suspect of heresy, imprisoned and even murdered by the church and the state. Did this make them incorrect in their assumptions?

Originally posted by Tamale_214
Let me conclude by quoting from your public profile:



I don't see the point of dragging
(a snippet) of my public profile into this thread?

I did not intend to misrepresent your thoughts, If I did so please accept my apology.

Since you've brought it up:
There is no "middle path of truth".
There is only Truth.
Truth is the Law.
ET acts under Law.
That is why ET does not land in front of the white house.
They seek to engage with all of Humanity.
Not with just a bunch of rogue 'leaders'.

I'd very much like to understand how you came to the conclusion that "Truth is the law" and that "ET's act under law", it seems like such a broad and sweeping generalization that as a rational human being I have a VERY difficult time accepting wholescale, without evidence that is as broad and sweeping in it's scope as the conclusion is. I have yet to see
ANY such evidence anywhere.

Finally,

To clear out my point of view
regarding the subject of this thread:

Energy flows where our attention goes.

We are all co-creators of the sad/false reality presently surrounding us.

We are not impotent.

And to summarise my point of view: "be careful what you wish for" and "may you live in interesting times".


cheers.



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