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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 04:12 PM
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The purpose of this thread will be to discuss and/or examine the theory that dreamtime/astral/psychological abductions occur regularly and that ET or ExtraDimensional forces may routinely affect an individual's cognitive processes in order to direct them to or away from certain information as said individual researches their own and others' experiences.

I'll go out on a limb and say that I believe that I may have had my dreams interfered with very regularly since I was a child and that I am just now, at the age of 36 coming to the first inklings of understanding about this fact. The reason's for this believe are many and really are subject to a whole different discussion.

The primary interest I have here is this:

Have you or do you find that you encounter unusual headaches, nausea, anxiety, or other type of physiological or psychological aversions when reading a certain type of material on the internet or in books?

I have noticed increasingly so that this is and has been the case for me. Even as I type this I have been feeling a deep set anxiety, minor migraine headaches and a strong desire to pull away from what I am doing and go do something...anything else.

Now, please understand that I am not interested in aversions that are reasonable or rationally minded such as an aversion to a poorly presented argument or an aversion to a "I'm an alien ask me a question" type thread, nor am I interested in aversions such as "well, that's not really that interesting to me"--we all feel averse to certain topics/tv/media at a certain time. My interest here is extreme reactions to materials. Such a reaction might be physical like a headache, a deep sense of foreboding, a strong uncharacteristically angry reaction, nausea, anxiety, unusual thoughts of insanity or self inflicting pain etc.

I attach 2 outside links which, as I was reading, I found myself struggling to finish sentences, fighting off nausea and developing slight headaches.

I attach a third link to an ATS thread posted last spring that to my bewilderment received virtually no attention (especially strange given that a thread about Paul mcartney dying in 1966 and being replaced by billy Sheppard seems to go on forever proving that people here will discuss just about anything ad nauseam) even though the research group being discussed, ICAR, seems about as legit as they come to me. (*OP note, as I wrote this last sentence and the current sentence, the screen in front of me is blurring and warping, I feel very anxious and am developing a slight headache above my left eye.)

What I am describing seems to be in concert with the descriptions of many of the Apollo astronauts' responses to discussions of the moon. (I include a link which touches on several subject including mind-control etc)

looking forward to any responses or thoughts and will reserve my own opinions and theories until (hopefully) some of you have shared your thoughts.

tamale



montalk
the universal seduction
ICAR research ignored

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 04:33 PM
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This is an EXTREMELY INTERESTING thread. I had just about given up on anymore ufo posting, was getting bored. Nothing ever goes deep, to disturb people with controversy, and make them question.
I had ufo-related experiences in the military, which were traumatic for me. This was --almost-- 30 years ago. Not encounters with 'greys' or Bob Lazar spacecraft. My situation was very much like Gary McKinnon's present ordeal.
But, every time I thought I might tell the whole thing in full, on an appropriate site, like this one, or Openmindsforum, or MUFON, etc, I become ---horrendously--- ILL in my abdominal area. this situation exists for me, until I abandon my idea, --and-- the computer. Then I'm all better.
I had some MK Ultra type of hospital suff, so maybe some tweaking was done to me.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 04:49 PM
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Thanks for your reply simonecharise. I honestly have a terrible fear that this thread will go mostly ignored and if it does I will consider it to be a partial validation of my theory. (Again I am feeling sick to my stomach as I type and my hands are shaking)

Please do not hesitate to expand on ANY thoughts you might have, I assure you that as far as I am concerned, anything is fair game.

Cheers


 
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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 06:32 PM
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Is anyone familiar with James Bartley? To be perfectly honest, I've now read 3 or 4 of his articles on his website www.theuniversalseduction.com.... Some of what he has written has truly caused me to be ill. Interestingly in one of his articles he makes a point of saying that "those of you who are still reading this, who haven't developed a migraine or become nauseous thus far..." (paraphrase).

well, I did have trouble reading his article, i felt nauseous, I was getting headaches, I found the words on the screen starting to warp and the images to distort. I barely got through the article in question.

Now I find it impossible to even remember his name! I've had to refer back to my bookmarks no less then 5 times in the last 24 hours in order to find his name or the site address so I could do a google search on him.

Honestly, I am seeing my physician, having discussed these and other ideas with my wife in the last 24 hours, she wants me to have an MRI in order to rule out a tumour or otherwise.

I don't know what I fear most, having a tumour or a psychosis disorder, or NOT having a tumour or psychosis disorder.

only 1 reply thus far.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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reply to post by Tamale_214
 


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Frankly, it is posts like this,
that cause me extreme nausea.

Another one of those mere emotional appeals
to submit to fear and irrationality.

You are not presenting any facts/details here?

...


Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Have you or do you find that you encounter unusual headaches,
nausea, anxiety, or other type of physiological or psychological aversions
when reading a certain type of material on the internet or in books?"

...

You are seriously asking fellow ATS members to feed on unsubstantiated drivel
which is actually causing you "unusual headaches, nausea, anxiety,
or other type of physiological or psychological aversions"?

The fact that you experience anxiety/nausea is because you are Human.

Welcome to the club!

My advice:

- Trust your instincts.



Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Even as I type this I have been feeling a deep set anxiety,
minor migraine headaches and a strong desire to pull away
from what I am doing and go do something...anything else."


If that doesn't mean anything to you:

- Seek for professional help.

...

Since you've asked.

This is what is causing nausea/etc. to me:

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:45 PM
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Maybe you should just take a break from ATS and the likes for a bit.

I do it from time to time to center myself. It can get taxing at times. We are dealing with subjects that invoke a range of emotions from the good to the downright venomous.

What you are really getting at here is that the "God's" are preventing you from discovering them.
If that is the case, so be it. Nothing much you can do about it.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Well, I barley EVER EVER get headaches, unless I had a bottle of red wine, which has been a long long time...

I do feel a headache right now, though and achey.

i just wanted to add, that I haven't had many missing time episodes that I could prove, for a long lonng time, but now I just seem to pass out spontaniuosly instead, for 4-6 hours at a time occasionally, and still need to go to bed at a regular time....

Another thing I notice, is that after a few major weird time shift type episodes, that our behavior and daily routine patterns completley change....

For example, we would watch pooh bear every day, at least once, and then it was all of a sudden like we forgot pooh bear even exsisted, then the same thing with the Brady bunch etc ( we have no cable so we only choose what we watch)....we couldn't find anything to watch, and it is almost as if we didn't even see the dvd because if we could have found it we would have watched it instead of sitting here in the silence......

Does this make ANY sense???

Another pattern disrupted. We used to go swimming at the rec center almost daily as well, and right up until recently, I realized we haven't gone for over a year, or even THOUGHT about going, but it was practically a daily thing before.....for me it has been something I do my whole life, but now we just don't even think to even suggest going....if we do, we forget and don't go again....

I know these sound like completely insignifgant things, but these were HUGE parts of our routine....then one day "poof" it is like we forgot all about them, and took me a year to realise we haven't ene done ot or tried for a year...

The disruption in routine and patterns that big you would think we would NOTICE by now???

[edit on 30-9-2009 by mellisamouse]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:51 PM
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This is hypnosis.
Self hynopsis on your part.

You were reading the OP without questioning the material, reading it as a story.
The suggestions were planted to feel uneasy reading the material. And you did.

I call it self-hypnosis because I highly doubt the OP realized what was happening. Even to himself when he was reading it at the reptilian overlord website.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by JayinAR]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Tamale_214
 


...

Frankly, it is posts like this,
that cause me extreme nausea.
..
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I have noticed that the ones who come into their threads and pooh pooh like this with just insults and condescention with no rational to back it up are almost allways new accounts that are 3-6 months old at the most etc...



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 07:54 PM
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Originally posted by Sol12
reply to post by Tamale_214
 


I appreciate your reply.

...

Frankly, it is posts like this,
that cause me extreme nausea.

Another one of those mere emotional appeals
to submit to fear and irrationality.

*** in actuality, I am attempting to appeal to rationality, to question whether some of the responses that we feel are indeed rational or not...if they are not rational then I question why not? What I am trying to determine is whether or not people are being conditioned by an outside source to respond to emotionally to any material that suggests the ET are anything but benevolent.

You are not presenting any facts/details here?

*** Facts? Friend in the field of UFOLOGY and Extra terrestrial abductions, there are very few facts available to the public, and indeed I did post 3 links to material, much of which spoke directly to the topic that I am interested in hearing from others about...

...


Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Have you or do you find that you encounter unusual headaches,
nausea, anxiety, or other type of physiological or psychological aversions
when reading a certain type of material on the internet or in books?"

...

You are seriously asking fellow ATS members to feed on unsubstantiated drivel which is actually causing you "unusual headaches, nausea, anxiety,
or other type of physiological or psychological aversions"?

***again, I direct you to the links in my OP, I am not the first person to ask probing questions with regards to mind control scenarios.

The fact that you experience anxiety/nausea is because you are Human.

Welcome to the club!

My advice:

- Trust your instincts.

*** I very much am trusting my instincts, My instincts tell me that when I find myself developing a headache or nausea while reading controversial material, that this is NOT USUAL for me and is worth further investigation. I am not prone to headaches, I only seem to get them when I am reading or thinking about a few, very specific topics.



Originally posted by Tamale_214
"Even as I type this I have been feeling a deep set anxiety,
minor migraine headaches and a strong desire to pull away
from what I am doing and go do something...anything else."


If that doesn't mean anything to you:

- Seek for professional help.

***if you had read the entire thread you will have seen that I am indeed seeking professional help, appointments with specialists to help figure out why I am getting an intense buzzing in my ear immediately before experiencing sleep paralysis at night, an appointment with a neurologist to rule out a tumour or other type of physical cause to the experiences that I am having.

...

Since you've asked.

This is what is causing nausea/etc. to me:

...



***...and to me as well. I am socially very active, a member of several community organisations, president community action groups and an avid supporter of many different charities both personally and through my business. Incidentally, how is that appeal to emotion working for you?

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posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:04 PM
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are you talking about the side effects of micro wormholes that give access to inter/trans dimentional traveling between multi versums or to quote spielberg
"the space between space´es"

headaches are usualy explained by the lack of water or the over yield of calsium in your body if its physical

if its psycological it´s usualy tied in with trauma or stress that one part of your mind tries to deny and the other part wants to process leading to a conflict of intrest withinn your self ,



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:07 PM
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I also cannot watch anything alien related, I flip right out, and go into full fledged panick mode.......

Like flight or flight type response...as if a giant tirantula were crawling on my chest type of panick, just from a stupid PICTURE....I wasn't like this before....I used to be able to watch horror movies etc and make fun of the make up or costume designs and mock the silliness or cornyness..

I have been trying to desensitise myself, but I just can't.....I almost pass out or black out every time.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR


What you are really getting at here is that the "God's" are preventing you from discovering them.
If that is the case, so be it. Nothing much you can do about it.


I think that what I am really getting at is that "someone" is preventing me (us) from discovering them. If that is the case then "they" should stop...and I think that there probably IS something that I can do about it.

thanks for your reply.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by zerbot565
are you talking about the side effects of micro wormholes that give access to inter/trans dimentional traveling between multi versums or to quote spielberg
"the space between space´es"

headaches are usualy explained by the lack of water or the over yield of calsium in your body if its physical

if its psycological it´s usualy tied in with trauma or stress that one part of your mind tries to deny and the other part wants to process leading to a conflict of intrest withinn your self ,



Specifically what I am referring to is the effects of beings or entities who are much better than us at traversing the nuances of the human mind/brain. I drink plenty of water and take multivitamins and calcium (because I don't like milk) regularly.

your last statement rings true with me.
cheers.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:21 PM
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Ah Tamale.


It would be incredibly easy for me to dismiss you communication. You know this perhaps as well as you have endured my ignorance before.

There is a box into which your thoughts must fit, lest they spill out and get on my shoes. I paid good money for these, ya know.


I appreciate you stepping out of what so many would perceive as emotional or psychic safety and exposing your own weakness and fears. Without dancing too much with bunnies, I must say I applaud you effort.

When I was a child, I had recurring instances of what I can only describe as an energy wave entering my mind. While I tried to sleep on one occasion, I could visualize it. Much like the old cartoons of the bulge of water going through the hose, but the line was straight and it wasn't water.

When I got older, my dad would joke about how if you cranked up the radio (he was a way out there geek) at just the right frequency, you could really jerk with people's minds. He joked about watching people squirm, unable to explain why they were freaking out.

I lost a little bit of my love for mystery then and just assumed that there were people out there that like to screw with others, for the sheer hell of it.

I have to be honest, but you've taught me to also be a little more thoughtful, so I find myself highly skeptical. Of course, my skepticism is nothing new and usually just proves to be another horizon I have to walk to, and through.

The thought of psychosis comes to mind, but I am not a shrink. I know the mind is more powerful than I can understand. All manner of miracle and mysterious happening has been attributed to its often hidden abilities.

I am also led to the thought of PTSD...facing demons whose sight is more than we are capable of rationalizing but whose voice is far too loud to silence.

Do you find it odd, or common that a self-proclaimed 'rational' human being has such difficulty attributing the physical manifestations you have witnessed to otherworldly influence?

I don't expect 'evidence', my friend, nor do I wish to blindly indulge in fantasy. I've sadly lost most of that ability as I've aged.

I do find myself very interested in your experiences though. I won't discount your interpretation. I just have no similar experience, that I am aware of that correspond.

'mind control' is a monster who's name has often been spoken in this place and the transmission of electrical impulses congealed into patterns of thought is not something that we have the knowledge to discount.

Your theory is as plausible as any and I appreciate your sharing it. I hope you gain some insight and in doing so, do not become so jaded by ridicule that you are unwilling to share it.





posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:24 PM
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Sorry if I read too much into it.
I actually went to your link. The one that you linked twice when you were bumping your thread.
I noticed that the dude who author's the site cites to be an experiencer of extensive "spiritual warfare."

So, I put two and two together.
You know, spiritual warfare and reptilian overLORDS.

This actually has a bit of special interest to me, which I why I am still here on this thread. Seems that a lot of our old texts speak of serpentine Gods.

Same Stuff Different Day. At least that is pretty much how I look at it.
If they are able to control the entirety of man through their thoughts via remote, I don't think there is much you can do about it.
Afterall, this would be far down on the list of potentially harmful things they COULD do, if they chose.
For instance, they could grab you from your computer chair right now and impale you on the stop sign outside your house and nobody would be the wiser, if they didn't want them to be.

Heck, they would just mindcontrol the police investigating the crime and the nextdoor crackhead would go to jail for it.

But, you go ahead and keep thinking you can do something about a powerful reptilian controlling humanities thoughts from a distance.

I still think I would take this approach... "If reading something gives me a headache everytime I tried to read it, I will stop trying to read it."
At least for awhile.

But thanks for the amusing thread.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by JayinAR]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 08:37 PM
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ever wondered why some people when they read a book they fall a sleep after just a few pages ?

to my understanding its mental overload , so for someone to feel pain is to grow.

but growth pain must be dealt with in proper manner or otherwise you´ll end up like hawkin (joke),

but in all seriousness if you feel pain and have nothing to relate to i´d suggest you find a mentor or friend to talk about these text´s inorder to gain outside "empathy" for the same data.

?



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by KSPigpen
Ah Tamale.




Do you find it odd, or common that a self-proclaimed 'rational' human being has such difficulty attributing the physical manifestations you have witnessed to otherworldly influence?


well KSPigpen, I suppose the answer to this question is "both" it is odd in that there are so many things in the world that reason just can't best and it is common in that reason is the order of the day. Personally I don't have a problem with the notion of otherworldly influence...If i am prepared to believe that there is life on other planets/galaxies and that they can have travelled here, if I can believe that time is cyclical and can be mapped to some extent using a mathematical formula, if I can believe that the universe is infinite then reason dictates that anything is possible.



I do find myself very interested in your experiences though. I won't discount your interpretation. I just have no similar experience, that I am aware of that correspond.


and this, is one of the most honest answers that I have received thus far. Thanks.



Your theory is as plausible as any and I appreciate your sharing it. I hope you gain some insight and in doing so, do not become so jaded by ridicule that you are unwilling to share it.





If you've ever read my intro thread, I am not afraid to go out on a limb...what else is there to do when you've climbed as high as you are able to climb?

thanks again friend.

edit: syntactical redundancy

[edit on 30-9-2009 by Tamale_214]



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 09:11 PM
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I can't say that I have any reaction nearly as strong as what you have described, however, after having had what I consider to be a fairly profound experience followed by possibly profound insights regarding said experience I had a period of great fear that I must be developing schizophrenia or other such psychosis disorder, this was a fear that almost seemed projected into me...as if I had been programmed to have such a reaction.

I do not purport to know for certain that mind control is happening to anyone let alone myself but I don't find it to be any less plausible than say....the pyramids were built in a period of 20 years using whips, chains and ramps.


thanks for your response.



posted on Sep, 30 2009 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by JayinAR
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I still think I would take this approach... "If reading something gives me a headache everytime I tried to read it, I will stop trying to read it."
At least for awhile.

But thanks for the amusing thread.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by JayinAR]


fair enough I suppose, but doesn't it beg the question "why would I get a headache from reading one article of a certain content, while I'm completely unnaffected by reading something else only moments previously or following?"




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