Bill Clinton Speaks of Vast, Right-Wing Conspiracy

Originally posted by EMPIRE
This is either one of two things: 1.infighting amongst the global elite that has spilled over into our world (the world of the common man/regular joe) 2. the global elite purposely doing this to create more strife amongst the common man/regular joe.

Most definitely #2.

This thread has proven the tactic to be effective...

...amongst the morons, anyways.

As I said in the other thread: it's not a "conspiracy" if it's being done right out in the open. The Right distributes it's new "talking points" on a dedicated network of email chains, websites, and radio shows on a daily basis: not exactly a secret.

Secrecy is an element of any true conspiracy: Bill Clinton, being a Rhodes Scholar and all, should know that

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Originally posted by EMPIRE
This is either one of two things: 1.infighting amongst the global elite that has spilled over into our world (the world of the common man/regular joe) 2. the global elite purposely doing this to create more strife amongst the common man/regular joe.

Most definitely #2.

This thread has proven the tactic to be effective...

...amongst the morons, anyways.

I hope you're including yourself in the "moron" category because if anyone has demonstrated the second theory to be true, it's yourself. Nobody has been as confrontational as you have throughout this thread, nor have they stooped to personal insults and attacks.

So far you've called people childish, "seriously, grow up" (perhaps you are the one in need of doing this?), morons, and even threatened physical violence upon a fellow ATSer if they'd "dare to look you in the eye and say that" - so much hot air and hypocrisy, yet so little logic. Are you so blinded by propaganda and false patriotism that you really cannot see the sad irony?

As has been said before, the left/right illusion is working as it always has - I do think Clinton is surprised about the venom expressed within this "conspiracy". Perhaps the old boys' club are genuinely falling out with each other instead of the usual politricks/pantomime we (the public) have been subject to for far too long?

Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by jjkenobi

 

The true definition of a conspiracy is when two or more people work together towards a singular goal. Conspiracies don't have to be secret to be effective.

People thinking that conspiracies equate to secrecy is kind of a misnomer. Some conspiracies are secret. Some of course are obvious.

Well that's awesome.

I finally can actually say I am part of a "conspiracy"

I had no idea that simply being in hard disagreement (on domestic policy) with Mt Obama made me part of a Conspiracy but since I have always been jealous being on ats of those members who were ports of genuine conspiracies I am extremely proud right now to say that I Mopus Vindictus am part of the "do not reelect the crazy socialists conspiracy"

Thank You

I've never seen a definition of conspiracy that does not involve secrecy.

A conspiracy is not any time two people get together to do something.

If I plan to go get tacos with my neighbor, is it a "conspiracy"?

Originally posted by xmotex
I've never seen a definition of conspiracy that does not involve secrecy.

See definition #2

Merriam Webster

1 a : to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreement b : scheme
2 : to act in harmony toward a common end .circumstances conspired to defeat his efforts

Besides, I think there is an element of secrecy or attempted secrecy to this.

[edit on 29-9-2009 by Benevolent Heretic]

I hate how the word conspiracy is thrown around so much. Anybody with me?

reply to post by whatukno


I do see where you are coming from, whatukno, but I disagree to some extent.

If what you are speaking about is happening the way you say it is, then I invite you to speculate, postulate, and ruminate upon the exact opposite of that, where individuals might have people "push" them into certain alternative and illegal actions on the thread below.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

If what you are implying is correct, then the picture may in fact be far bigger than you are speaking about, and with you predilection towards politics, you need to know a whole lot more before you get to Washington D.C.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I agree with Bill and whatukno completely.

It's very clear to me. The right wing conspiracy's strategy is Complete Obama Failure. They want everything he attempts to fail. That's how they will "gain control" of Washington again, which is the goal.

The same goes to you, BH, as I said to whatukno, if you agree with his stance, you may in fact want to peruse over my thread a bit, and see what types of things are "pushed" onto society one person at a time, which may in fact assist you in better explaining your point on a larger scale.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You



While I can agree to some extent, that both people have a valid point, I do as well se this as "politics as usual" because in the insanity that is Washington D.C. it is a part of the very fabric that is politics to push, pull, and drag your counterpart off of their targets, because, people being people, are small-minded, petty, and acrimonious when it comes to competiton, influence, and power.

Politics is a field of lying straight to the constituents faces about the politicians intentions, to get something they want, more power, clout, and ultimately, money.

I am no fan of Obama, but neither was I a fan of Bush before him, not because I am of either party, I am a registered Independent, but because I see so easily through the lies, half-truths, and politcal speeches where little to nothing is said at all in the hopes that the polticians can keep the people complacent and happy, if but for a little while longer and for a few dollars more.

I have discussed Obama with a friend of mine, someone almost twice my age, and when dicsussing the man, I always fall back to a statement I have come to know as true, whether anyone here agrees with it or not is irrelevant.

Original External Quote by SKL :

When Presidents, Kings and Queens, and Dictators begin speaking in generalized terms, using more euphamisms than facts, and as well catch-phrases intead of reality, we as a society must watch out because it is tantamount to being told absolutely nothing, and when politicians tell us nothing there is a whole lot of something going on behind the scenes that we will assuredly not be happy for nor wanting, desiring, or asking for and that same man or woman is trying to fend off telling us this reality by obfuscation, non-commital, and outright diversionary tactics, which leads one to believe they have a deeper and darker agenda than anyone will know,...until it is far too late.

[edit on 30-9-2009 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

There is an excellent piece in NYT today, which is relevant to this thread:

www.nytimes.com...

This guy knows there is no left or right, its all just bull. The person is clever, but he is such a friggin liar.

No left or right people are just people, we all want things associated with left and right. Similar to how we are all male and female, but to different extremes.