Indian god statue at Calgary zoo offends Christian group

In my opinion, what right does any group have to demand the removal of anything that doesn`t concern them. As far as I`m concerned, they are stepping on others free will, ............and that`s not a nice thing to do.

[edit on 26-9-2009 by FiatLux]

That statue reminds me of my avatar

I love it when people get all grumpy over a silly statue

get your religious heads out of the sand and enjoy life

The zoo has a board of directors which means it's a corporation which means they can put pretty much whatever the hell they want to put where ever they want to put it when ever they want to put it there.

Stupid extremists. Don't like it? Don't go to the freaking zoo. But your kids will resent you forever for it.


[edit on 9/26/2009 by Phage]

Oh noes! We don't want to go offending peoples Sky Fairies, must remove it now! Religious people are so easily offended, they should keep their nonsense to themselves. That Zoo can put whatever statue they want in their grounds.

Originally posted by newworld

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
As a Christian, I don't see that as any kind of god, or insult to my beliefs.

Just a funny looking elephant having some fun.

THAT's the kind of christians I can't make fun of, those who don't get offended by other religions or their gods/symbols.

Religions need more people like you in them

No it doesn't... because the reason it doesn't bother them is because they don't respect the symbols of other religions As he says "I don't see that as any kind of god"

The fact that the statue is there is not an issue. The laws that have been invoked to remove religious symbols from public venues are the issue.

The powers that be, special interest and anti Christian activist groups have been getting crosses, mangers, the ten commandments and nearly anything that could be construed as Christian removed from any public venue that they can for about 40 years now by calling on certain rules and laws.

These rules and laws were, of course, aimed at Christianity and so have been enforced because being anti Christian is very fashionable especially with progressives and the activist left. Now the same ones who pushed the agenda seem to think that they are unfair when Christians invoke the same laws that were pointedly used as weapons against them.

These rules and laws must be honored for everybody right?

Want to get rid of all religious symbols by using the letter of the law? Then the law should apply for ALL religions, not just Christian symbols.

That seems to be the point here. It really doesn't matter who is doing the complaining. It matters that the law applies to one religion so it should apply to all.

This story is a classic example of people who would be trolling on the internet have now decided to troll in real life. Earlier on in this decade, trolls used to run amok all over the internet. Message board moderators began adopting anti-trolling policies which has severely curtailed internet trolling. The message board troll, like a sexual predator without his porno, has to go out into the real world and troll because he cannot get his kicks on the internet.

Laws are fine, if they are within reason. But sometimes we go overboard with laws, when laws take away a persons free will, and that person isn`t hurting anyone, that`s taking it way to far. We are going to law ourselves out of existence. We may all as well stay indoors and never go outside for fear of offending someone and having a law passed to deal with us.

reply to post by badgerprints

Any "public places"? Or just government places? In the US, the laws apply to government facilities. Churches are privately owned, synagogues are privately owned. Are they prevented from displaying their religious iconography to the public?

The zoo does not seem to be government owned. Does Canada have "separation" laws anyway?



[edit on 9/26/2009 by Phage]

If the letter of the law allows the statue then I'm all for it.


Personally, I like indian art and have no problem with it but if the law is to be used against one religious group it should be applied to all.

At least that statue has clothes on. The animals in the zoo are completely nekkid with all their privates exposed for all to see. Even little kids.

Now that really offends me. Those animals should at least have on panties
of some kind. Animal nudity needs to stop.

Originally posted by zorgon


No it doesn't... because the reason it doesn't bother them is because they don't respect the symbols of other religions As he says "I don't see that as any kind of god"

I much prefer to see a christian that does not respect the symbols/deities of other religions but still allow them to be displayed in public minding their own business than extremist christians who moan and whine about other religions and try to get rid of all deities, symbols, and religions that are not their own.

Originally posted by newworld


I much prefer to see a christian that does not respect the symbols/deities of other religions but still allow them to be displayed in public minding their own business than extremist christians who moan and whine about other religions and try to get rid of all deities, symbols, and religions that are not their own.

Ah,
Of course you do. So did all of the people that supported removing every public Christian symbol they could in the last four or five decades.

If you support all of the other religious symbols being left alone then why do you expect Christians to allow all of theirs to be removed and just shut up about it?

They aren't expecting any law to be enforced that hasn't been used to target Christians already.

Shouldn't the law apply to everybody?

[edit on 103030p://f58Saturday by badgerprints]

Originally posted by stevegmu
Is the zoo allowed to display Christmas trees or a manger scene during Christmastime? If not, the elephant should be removed.

Do you not see the irony here?

Christians hate it when they aren't allowed to celebrate Christmas with baby Jesus statues, but then turn around and get offended when they see another religious icon.

Oh my.


You can't have it both ways.

(In case you are wondering, I believe all religious symbols should be tolerated: christmas trees, menoras, buddhas, baby jesus, ganesh, xenu-space-overlord... the works.)

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by newworld


I much prefer to see a christian that does not respect the symbols/deities of other religions but still allow them to be displayed in public minding their own business than extremist christians who moan and whine about other religions and try to get rid of all deities, symbols, and religions that are not their own.

Ah,
Of course you do. So did all of the people that supported removing every public Christian symbol they could in the last four or five decades.

If you support all of the other religious symbols being left alone then why do you expect Christians to allow all of theirs to be removed and just shut up about it?

They aren't expecting any law to be enforced that hasn't been used to target Christians already.

Shouldn't the law apply to everybody?

[edit on 103030p://f58Saturday by badgerprints]

I see christian symbology all over the place. Including the media, schools, the dollar, in front of the white house, at least once per city with a church, etc.

In South America, countries like Peru have forced religion class (which is nothing more than catholic education) in the public education system, anyone not catholic is discriminated to an extent, the crucifix is displayed almost everywhere, etc.

Christians complain about other religions and their symbols when in fact their religion controls almost all of the Americas, they hardly have any reason to complain about the removal of their symbology when that happens rarely. In fact, I am against the removal of christian symbology, but if the extremists continue playing this game of wanting to get rid of all religions and their deities, then they should know that other groups will do the same to them.

Originally posted by drwizardphd



You can't have it both ways.

True.

The law has been used to remove Christian symbols for years. These laws and "interpretations" by judges have been used extensively against Christians. They are laws and do apply to other religions so as you said. "You can't have it both ways."

The law should apply to all religions. Not just Christianity.

Originally posted by badgerprints

Originally posted by drwizardphd



You can't have it both ways.

True.

The law has been used to remove Christian symbols for years. These laws and "interpretations" by judges have been used extensively against Christians. They are laws and do apply to other religions so as you said. "You can't have it both ways."

The law should apply to all religions. Not just Christianity.

the reason for christians being targeted most often by laws is because christian extremists are trying to step over their boundaries and overturn the separation of church and state. I have yet to hear ofHindus trying to establish their creation stories in the science classes, or Buddhists demonizing muslims for not following their religion, or Taoists making people swear over their religious text in a court of law.

The law should apply to all religions everywhere, but Christianity is the most predominant religion in the west and needs to be put in check more often than the other religions due to obvious reasons.

What about sacred American Indian culture?
It is something I know absolutely nothing about,
But would a sacred buffalo or eagle statue be offensive to Americans ?

Originally posted by newworld
The law should apply to all religions everywhere, but Christianity is the most predominant religion in the west and needs to be put in check more often than the other religions due to obvious reasons.

Not the letter of the law then?

Christians should be intentionally discriminated against and others allowed to break the law because there are more Christians ?

I don't buy that for a second.

The law applies to everybody.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Oh good lord... I'm a Christian and it really irritates me to no end what other "Christians" find to complain about. I mean seriously... it's like some of these people are just out looking for something to whine about and for a reason to be offended. I'd like to be able to tell them all to just fricken get over themselves. It's a belly dancing elephant for crying out loud! Don't like it? Don't bow down and worship the stupid thing and then look the other direction. Sheesh.