How to fight Swine Flu (H1N1) without using any vaccine/drugs!

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posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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Alright, Ladies and Gentleman.

Yes, the world is facing global (and most probably forced) vaccination against Swine Flu (H1N1). And yes, it's going to happen very soon. And yes, many of us will get Swine Flu. And yes, all of us who are aware of what's going on are NOT taking Tamiflu or any other government-prescribed drugs/vaccines against the Swine Flu (H1N1).

So what do we do then the sh*t hits the fan? As I can see now, we have two options:

We can either do nothing and passively watch the development until we ourselves also catch Swine Flu and by then we have no choice but to submit ourselves to Tamiflu/other government forced vaccine/medications.

OR we can RIGHT NOW start gathering ALL OUR RESOURCES and ALL OUR KNOWLEDGE here in one place so will will have enough information and knowledge on how to fight Swine Flu without using any vaccine/drugs.


And I've had enough of talking.

I call for action.

I want this thread to become ATS' number 1 resource of how to fight Swine Flu (H1N1) without using any vaccine/drugs!


So:


Start posting your ideas, thoughts, experiences, etc on how to fight Swine Flu (H1N1) without using any vaccine/drugs.

If you are a medical student and you have some good ideas - post them here.
If you are a healer and you have some good ideas - post them here.
If you have any good experiences with natural/alternative medicine - post them here.
If you have some good family recipe from your grandma on how to make an ani-flu drug - post it here.
And so on.

Any good suggestions that work are welcome!



Enough talking, people. We're running out of time. It's time for action.












Peace,
Mulder



[edit on 25-9-2009 by Spooky Fox Mulder]




posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 08:25 AM
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Hows it going.

I cant prove this and I cannot go into any detail with it as I keep my promises.

Swine flu is nothing to worry about.

Mind over matter rings a bell.

As for other things such as vaccinations or future strains etc.

Zipped.

There are certain things that you just cannot say online, especially right now.



PS: read your title again, its your answer in a sense


[edit on 25-9-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 08:29 AM
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the swine flu, in my opinion is no harmful or more dangerous than any regular flu
this is all what you make of it, the mind is a powerful thing.

as for vaccines? you do not need them and they are only more harm than good.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 08:33 AM
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there is no 'Swine flu'

get the zapper (to electrify your blood ) from ebay, or google hulda clark zapper, get 'food grade hydrogen peroxide' also google how to use

do it when not well or just as precaution, i do and never get ill

drink water with squeezed lemon, hm what else ???

i removed 'flu symptoms' with zapper some months ago within 2 hours

[edit on 25-9-2009 by angelx666]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 09:26 AM
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the virus is in the vaccine and the more people are vaccinated the more the virus will mutate into further generations and spread.

all types of edible and psychoactive mushrooms
8oz warm lemon water 3x a day
nuts or seeds
coconut oil, sunflower oil, sesame seed oil, olive oil
low acidic fruits
protein that doesn't come from meat such as poultry, fish, beef, pork etc.
Chick peas are a good source of protein.
avoid dairy products.
drink distilled water
wear face masks.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 09:28 AM
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Hmmmm My son has the swine flu. So do many people in this area. Tamiflu is fantastic. For kids with underlying medical issues like asthma or weakend immune systems it is quite necessary. I wish you wouldnt scare people like that. They are not going to give you tamiflu unless you have underlying medical issues anyway. Until you watch a child suffer with it, then please dont tell a bunch of people not to take tamiflu.

As for fighting the swine flu....I have been nurse maid my son all week. It is a very contagious flu and incubation time is 1-7 days. I have been taking a super B-complex vitamin. I have had a low grade fever not exceding 100.4 for 2 days now. I have heard that sometimes when you are sick they will give you a shot of B12. Perhaps it is key to staying well. It seems to be working for me. My Dr. had me start that a couple of weeks ago because B and C vitamins are something you have to have every day. Most people dont eat/drink things that are rich in those, so she said it was important for me to take the super B-complex vitamin which has vit. C as well. I have also made sure my other two kids are taking a childrens vitamin that is high in B12, folic acid, and vit.C every day. They have not come down with this yet either.

[edit on 25-9-2009 by mrsdudara]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 09:37 AM
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I'll mention this because it might not come up. I have full spectrum lighting all over my house. Got it for my cats who don't go outside, but it may be helpful in natural vitamin D production.

Also have vitamin D3 ampules, 5000IU. I think I will stock up to keep a supply for my extended family.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 09:45 AM
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Bad news for the swine flu vaccine:

Mercury limits suspended for H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine to improve access



Secretary of Health Mary Selecky is temporarily suspending Washingtons limit on the amount of mercury (thimerosal) allowed in H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine given to pregnant women and children under three.


It's appalling...not that I was going to take the vaccine anyways, but this is the nail in the coffin...and should be for everyone.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 10:08 AM
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Thanks for the U2U Spooky!

IMHO there are a few ways we can fight swine flu. The obvious ones of course are for people to stay in doors and not go out if they are feeling under the weather. Take vitamins, get plenty of rest!

Another way is for people to cough into a folded tissue instead of a hand or closed fist. The later two methods just don't work and are foolish yet most do it and only succeed in spreading germs. Always cleanse your hands with hand sanitizer! The problem is that majority of people are not conscientious and couldn't give a rats 4$$... so the virus spreads.

Another method is to simply give your immune system a taste of the virus and strengthen your future reactions to an outbreak. It's best to get the virus in it's current weak form than to get it later when it's a real bugger!

Sorry for not providing a revolutionary answer mate!

IRM



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Thanks for the U2U Spooky!
IRM


Thanks for participating, IRM.



And thank you for all your suggestions, people. Keep them coming!





Peace,
Mulder

[edit on 25-9-2009 by Spooky Fox Mulder]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 10:38 AM
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The following site lists information on legally refusing vaccinations for your self and family:

Vaccination Liberation Exemptions



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 10:53 AM
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Thanks for the u2u Spooky.

I have been reading that Nicotine can help to ward off the effects of H1N1. I doubt it is a cure as some sites have been saying but some reading indicates it could be very useful however and from my own experience, it there seems to be a good argument to it being a good anti inflammatory.

Smokers risk swine flu complications like pneumonia

Nicotine, anti-inflamarary H1N1 cure

I gave up smoking a long time ago but when occasionally I chew the gum as it seems to negate the effects of stress and seems to give me an edge when I am training hard at the gym.

I did some experiments on myself last year at the gym with and without nic gum because I noticed muscle recovery times seemed faster during the days that I chewed the gum thus I could do more physical exercise which is my love. I am no scientist and I do not pretend to be but I noticed a slight difference in training with and without gum.

In my opinion I feel that chewing the gum enabled me to push harder with less muscular recovery time needed afterwards. I thought that the edge that the gum gave me in the gym was purely psychological but the lessened recovery times does seem to indicate to me that there is something to be said about it being an effective anti inflammatory and thus I think it could be a useful aid in the fight against H1N1.

I realise this is not a very natural way to prepare for the flu as it comes in gum form and the ingredients are chewing gum base, xylitol, acesulfame potassium, polacrilin, sodium carbonate, sodium bicarbonate, peppermint oil, menthol, magnesium oxide, E171, E321, talc, acacia and carnauba wax.

There should be a measure of caution in that nicotine patches in particular have associated health risks - including nausea, dizziness, and increases in blood pressure and heart rate. Not great for for long-term use and the reason why I chew the gum instead as it allows for much better controls over intake.

Nicotine is known to switch on receptors on the surface of cells in certain parts of the brain, causing these neurons to release the Neuro-transmitter dopamine (the chemical that is associated with feelings of pleasure).

In its natural state, and when ingested through the digestive system, nicotine is safe and non-toxic. However, nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man and very fast acting. Nicotine is the chemical that causes addiction to cigarettes.

That said I chew the gum maybe three to five times a week during physical exercise and have done for years... I am in perfect health and I heal very quickly and have not had the flu or a cold since I was twelve years of age.

My blood group is AB negative.

All in all there seems to be health benefits to nicotine (not from cigarettes) but like anything it should be used responsibly as it is an addictive drug but that said, it seems to have health benefits too.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:06 AM
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*I would start by avoiding crowded places, especially those that attract kids (i.e., the mall, HS football games, etc.).

*Don't go to the doctor unless it's an emergency, as there will likely be people with H1N1 in the waiting room that may spread it to those that do not have it.

*Eat Healthy, exercise & take your vitamins (especially Ascorbic acid a.k.a. Vitamin C). Garlic is also a natural antiviral.

That should be a good start and will reduce chances of contracting the virus.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by Aggie Man]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:07 AM
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Great Thread, Fox! I agree with the member who listed coconut oil, here’s a link that explains why.

Source: naturalmomstalkradio.com...

COCONUT OIL
We are grateful to Beth Beisel, registered dietitian and WAPF member for reminding us about the protective factors in coconut oil. Swine flu is a lipid coated virus (www.pnas.org...), and thus is inactivated by sufficient amounts of monolaurin. (Our bodies convert lauric acid, found in coconut oil, to monolaurin).

According to our own Dr. Mary Enig, two to three tablespoons of coconut oil per day appears to be an adequate dosage to fight infection, even from virulent antibiotic-resistant organisms such as MSRA.”


Just by chance we have been drinking smoothies loaded with mango and coconut almost every day for months and we have not been sick once and that is saying a lot since everyone around my husband and I have had the flu and have insisted on visiting with it in its early stages. Even our maid insists on working sick and cooking our breakfast sneezing and coughing. I send her home everyday telling her not to come to work sick, that I’ll pay her anyway, she still shows up, except for this morning. This morning she called and said that her cousin passed away around 4 AM this morning and that the hospital is saying possible h1n1. Wow. I’ll find out Monday if that was the case. So sad.

I’ll keep on with the smoothies and oh, there’s one more thing that I think helps. We burn a lot of incense in our house and if I recall frankincense is a natural antiseptic, didn’t Moses say to burn it to cleanse sickness out of a home?

Be well everyone,

STM



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:16 AM
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All great ideas folks.
Boost our immune system's in advance and don't forget garlic.
I chop it small and chew it raw.
I don't really buy into the swine flu scare.
No way I would take their vaccine.

Thanks for the thread and alert Spooky.

S&F

[edit on 25-9-2009 by cindymars]



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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Thanks for all good contributions and keep them coming.


Peace,
Mulder



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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This works for any flu. I am 60 years old and I had the flu one time in my life (only after getting a shot to prevent).

Hope it helps
Tru



Swine Flu Preventatives



Dr. Vinay Goyal is an MBBS, DRM, DNB (Intensivist and
Thyroid specialist) having clinical experience of over 20 years. He has
worked in institutions like Hinduja Hospital , Bombay Hospital , Saifee
Hospital, Tata Memorial etc.


Presently, he is heading our Nuclear Medicine Department
and Thyroid clinic at Riddhivinayak Cardiac and Critical Centre, Malad
(W). The following message given by him, I feel makes a lot
of sense and is important for all of you to know.


The only portals of entry are the nostrils and
mouth/throat. In a global epidemic of this nature, it's almost
impossible not coming into contact with H1N1 in spite of all
precautions. Contact with H1N1 is not so much of a problem as
proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any
symptoms of H1N1 infection, in order to prevent proliferation,
aggravation of symptoms and development of secondary infections, some
very simple steps, not fully highlighted in most official
communications, can be practiced (instead of focusing on how to stock
N95 or Tamiflu):

1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in
all official communications).

2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all
temptations to touch any part of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or
sleep).

3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use
Listerine if you don't trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial
infection in the throat/ nasal cavity to proliferate and show
characteristic symptoms. Simple gargling prevents proliferation. In a
way, gargling with salt water has the same effect on a healthy
individual that Tamiflu has on an infected one. Don't underestimate this
simple, inexpensive and powerful preventative method.

4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at
least once every day with warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at
Jala Neti or Sutra Neti (very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities),
but *blowing the nose hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with
cotton buds dipped in warm salt water is very effective in bringing down
viral population.*

5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that
are rich in Vitamin C (Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to
supplement with Vitamin C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to
boost absorption.

6.* Drink as much of warm liquids as you can.
*Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the
reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat
into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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I don't remember where I read it but it seems that I recall Elderberry has something in it which breaks down the enzyme viruses use to reproduce. Have you guys heard of that one?
Echinacea is also helpful for boosting your immune system, and as silly as it might sound, good ole sunshine can go a long way as well. After the flu is gone it can also leave behind a nasty bacterial sinus and upper respiratory infection, that can be treated with a variety of anti-bacterial herbs as well like oregano, tumeric, garlic, goldenseal, etc.
Alot of people make the mistake of assuming that herbal remedies are something you can just run out, purchase, and take like tic tacs, but there's powerful chemistry in herbal medicene that requires a basic understanding... There's a wealth of herbal remedies out there, just be careful and do your homework before you take anything.



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 12:01 PM
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Here are a couple of things that could be interesting in the fight against the flu. I would imagine that if the research proves true then you might expect to see elderberry regulated.


Elderberry Prevents Swine Flu September 11, 2009 Recent research has given new scientific evidence to the long-held empirical belief that elderberries possess antiviral activities. The research involved a specific, reproducible elderberry extract developed by HerbalScience Group LLC, and succeeded in identifying key chemical components of the extract that inhibited in vitro infection and were shown to bind directly to Human Influenza A (H1N1) virus particles.


Source


And on the flip side:


femail doc said... Interesting question Anon. Elderberry is purported to have antiviral properties, specifically anti-influenza protection in deactivating the ability of the virus to penetrate cells. Per an article in the European Cytokine Network(1), this herb also is a potent stimulator of inflammatory cytokines which, as I've noted, can be a good thing while too much can be a bad thing. I am unfamiliar with the net effect of elderberry in the face of an overwhelming--read storm-producing--case of the flu.



Source



posted on Sep, 25 2009 @ 12:38 PM
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i dont know if it help but ...i stayed in bed 5 days i was tired and i v took regulard flu pills nothing more nothing less... ho and i stop smoking 10 days since the doctor says i had this pig flu ... actulay a nother friends have it right now he his at home sleeping!!! here in france people are not so worried, the dont want vaccine and most of us think relgular flu pills is good, we dont hear any news anymore ! this so bullS***, france order 90 million of vaccine we are 63 million why so much?in the begining it was not obligatory and now the think to vaccine all the people!!! so crazy... and tamiflu is generic as many others flu pills... ok people stop this paronoia this is what they want!!! dont get this vaccine, stay a t home protect yourself dring orange juice and take regular flu pills for people who have asthma or lung problem the know what they should do they have there medication if after 6 days you still have the flu and feel problem to bread got to the hospital... as usual
take care everybody and dont panic





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