An Intro To Anarchism

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posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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An Intro to Anarchism

Anarchism is the belief that society will do just as well, if not better without a hierarchy. Anarchism has worked sense the beginning of man, so why can’t it work now? I’ve got news for you, it can.
The system I am proposing is a bartering and trading system. This system isn’t a system without money; it is a system without money as the base. Today, money is required to make a living, and people without money, cannot make a living, which isn’t right. Everyone deserves food, water, and shelter, contributing to society or not. With a system purely based on money, many cannot get those things, and it forces them in to unhealthy, deadly situations.
With a system that is not based on money, we could have people growing there own farms, and supplying other people with there surpluses of food. They wouldn’t have to have money to live. If they give someone food, someone could give you that book you've always wanted. If you do something your good at, and someone does something there good at, you can trade with each other for the thing you want from them.
But what if you what that new computer? You can still sell your stuff you have made or traded, for real money, then go to a shop, and buy the computer, or trade for it. Corporations will still be there, but not as powerful, if we an supply ourselves.
Then there is the problem of roads and public transports. What if you need a way to get from San Francisco to Los Angeles? The people who want the road, can get together, and pay for it, the people who have no use for it, will not pay for it. If there is a demand, it will get done.
Why is it that every time the government gets into something, it messes up? Why do we have to put up with this? We should do something, but we spend to much time thinking about how the other people will do something. That other person is you.
We all need to work toward a better future for the world, and that will only happen if the people unite, and stand up for freedom.
I don’t want a violent revolution. Freedom isn’t deserved if it is gained violently.


Remember, Anarchy is not chaos, it is equality, peace and freedom.

Do not let one man or women (Or however many senators) control your life. Let yourself control yourlife.




posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 07:56 PM
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Noam Chomsky Anarchism 101



Its a large subject to delve into and i wonder are people really interesting in taking more responsibility in their lives ....... is it just easier to let `others` look after `stuff`for them.

Definitely a subject i would like to read up on further.

Cheers for the prompt Phlynx .



posted on Sep, 22 2009 @ 08:36 PM
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All governments eventually become tyranny.

Their is no government that has not abused the citizens it was charged to serve.

Human suffering may be a constant but I do not see any need for a middle man...

Personally I consider myself a REALISTIC Anarch. I believe in anarchy whole heartedly. I also understand that the majority of humanity does not even understand the concept so they can not possibly implement it.....But I think eventually it will happen... all by itself.

Eventually all of humanity will understand the concept of 'less is more" Then governments will slowly become less and less till one day it just becomes understood that we work together to get things done... and not against one another... and not because it is government mandated or lawfully protected but just because it is how things should be done....

In the mean time... in this life I have decided to try and promote the idea of citizens having some kind of authority over the legislative process with in the US.

I live in the US...

I figure this is where the foundation of government reduction begins... With my fellow countrymen realizing that by trusting representatives to speak for them that they lose their voice completely. Because people fear change so much I don't even try to tell folks to do away with representives anymore... just that They need a say on both a state and federal level OVER what laws will be passed as they will be the ones that must abide by those laws...

Because we have evolve... We have to understand... as long as we trust others to pass laws for us they will pass laws against us inhibiting our liberty and our pursuit of happiness and most importantly our ability to be secure in our lives.

I don't want to ever read about another legless man getting tazered or another college kid getting tazed or another teenager getting tazed...to death.

OUR LEGESLATORS ARE LAW BREAKERS

And that is why I argue for the common citizen to rise up and demand a voice over the laws....

I wish for anarchy ...but it is gonna have to start with convincing people with taking an active role in government... Maybe once they get a REAL taste of it they will begin to understand all the things really wrong with it.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by titorite]



posted on Sep, 23 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by titorite
All governments eventually become tyranny.

Their is no government that has not abused the citizens it was charged to serve.

Human suffering may be a constant but I do not see any need for a middle man...

Personally I consider myself a REALISTIC Anarch. I believe in anarchy whole heartedly. I also understand that the majority of humanity does not even understand the concept so they can not possibly implement it.....But I think eventually it will happen... all by itself.

Eventually all of humanity will understand the concept of 'less is more" Then governments will slowly become less and less till one day it just becomes understood that we work together to get things done... and not against one another... and not because it is government mandated or lawfully protected but just because it is how things should be done....

In the mean time... in this life I have decided to try and promote the idea of citizens having some kind of authority over the legislative process with in the US.

I live in the US...

I figure this is where the foundation of government reduction begins... With my fellow countrymen realizing that by trusting representatives to speak for them that they lose their voice completely. Because people fear change so much I don't even try to tell folks to do away with representives anymore... just that They need a say on both a state and federal level OVER what laws will be passed as they will be the ones that must abide by those laws...

Because we have evolve... We have to understand... as long as we trust others to pass laws for us they will pass laws against us inhibiting our liberty and our pursuit of happiness and most importantly our ability to be secure in our lives.

I don't want to ever read about another legless man getting tazered or another college kid getting tazed or another teenager getting tazed...to death.

OUR LEGESLATORS ARE LAW BREAKERS

And that is why I argue for the common citizen to rise up and demand a voice over the laws....

I wish for anarchy ...but it is gonna have to start with convincing people with taking an active role in government... Maybe once they get a REAL taste of it they will begin to understand all the things really wrong with it.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by titorite]
I wish this was true, but I cannot see this happening without the message being spread.


edit: sorry, didnt realize you pretty much said that at the end.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by Phlynx]



posted on Sep, 24 2009 @ 10:06 PM
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Anarchism is definitely a interesting ideology. Crush the State, dismantle the institutions.

I'm not sure how much of Kropotkin's writings anyone on this site has read, but it's good stuff if you wonder how a world would work in such a society. You will definitely be able to find it on the internet as a great thing about anarchists, they don't believe in copyright.

I myself am currently writing about Kropotkin, as some may know, he does also believe in certain socialist policy's. Combines the two. Anarchist Communism.

If anyone is interest, I can shed light on how it can and cannot work.



posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 02:35 AM
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Originally posted by lepracornman
Anarchism is definitely a interesting ideology. Crush the State, dismantle the institutions.

I'm not sure how much of Kropotkin's writings anyone on this site has read, but it's good stuff if you wonder how a world would work in such a society. You will definitely be able to find it on the internet as a great thing about anarchists, they don't believe in copyright.

I myself am currently writing about Kropotkin, as some may know, he does also believe in certain socialist policy's. Combines the two. Anarchist Communism.

If anyone is interest, I can shed light on how it can and cannot work.


I've read The Conquest Of Bread and other various essays.

I believe 100% that an Anarchist social structure would be the best functioning FREE social structure we could live in.

Of course though, you need anarchists for an anarchist society to work, just like you need capitalists for capitalism and fascists for fascism.

The core of the anarchist's belief is that people as a whole have the ability to govern themselves without a COERCIVE authority manipulating their actions.

Anarchism and Democracy, as social ideas, have a symbiotic relationship.

[edit on 27-9-2009 by milesp]



posted on Sep, 27 2009 @ 09:00 PM
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Sorry, but in order for us to have Anarchism, it would be like this.

DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Society would just start crumbling day after day. Those with food/guns would run the world.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:49 AM
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The motto here on ATS is deny ignorance.

You may want to look into it.

One great example of anarchy we can all point out is Wikipedia. The encyclopedia anyone can edit. It is true anyone can write anything there. Change correct information for self serving vindication.... But have you ever tried? I recommend you do so. Pick a popular wiki page and try to erase all the info on the page.

With in the same day you will find many wikipedians there to correct your bogus edit and make sure to stop the damage you would be intending to cause.

Anarchy in its true political form works much the same way.

If a person loves the government so much that they can not let go of it then they are just a slave, surviving day to day ,waiting for the final curtain of an otherwise dismal life.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 09:56 AM
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Phlynx, you may like this thread I did.

I Am Not An Anarchist, Nor A Traitor To My Country...

While I do not believe in anarchy, or anarchism, I believe our country needs to be represented by the people, for the people, and of the people.

This is not the same as anarchism, at least not in my book, because I am talking specifically about our elected officials being bought and sold as commodities, through lobbying groups using legal bribery, as well as the special interest groups, which is only the power elite bypassing the will of the people of a country commiting a coup against America itself.

You will as well like this thread below :

False Flag Operator, Become Sheep-Dipped Or Wolf-Dipped, and Become A Puppet Dictator?

I do not support anarchism, Nazism, Fascism, I support Democracy, period.

However, I will happily discuss the differences, the history, and as well the hidden history of any of them, because I love history, and researching, investigating, and cross-referencing it.



posted on Sep, 28 2009 @ 10:03 AM
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To really drive the point home, watch any protest in modern times where the press demonizes the so called "anarchists". What do the signs and slogans read that the "anarchists" are holding? Anti capitalist, anti fascist, wake up messages.
They are people that are willing to get dirty in order to drive their point across and IMHO we need more of them.

When the media paints them in a negative light, I always laugh because they ignore the messages from the "anarchists" and instead focus on their actions and slander them negatively.

Some people are willing to fight and for that I am thankful.




posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 08:39 AM
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Since you started this thread I am interested in your thoughts on the one below :

Provocateur Cops Caught Disguised As Anarchists At G20

I have posted a few times on it and shared my thoughts there as well as what I already previously shared here on my thoughts of "anarchism".



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
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Since you started this thread I am interested in your thoughts on the one below :

Provocateur Cops Caught Disguised As Anarchists At G20

I have posted a few times on it and shared my thoughts there as well as what I already previously shared here on my thoughts of "anarchism".


I think it's sad that they have to go that low to get information. They don't care if they get a bad image, they just want the other people to have a bad image so the press can go on about how all anarchists are crazy, and hey, they did make themselves look bad, but you don't see that on the media, you only see the people who have different views looking bad.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:13 PM
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The problem is this ...

Much like other ideologies, including capitalism and communism, anarchism has virtuous intent at its source. But then humans and their nature get involved and we know what we do with "isms."

Ultimately:


“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller


Switching "isms" is just re-aranging the furniture.

Edit to add: For the record, and to drive my first point across ... I grew up in Greece, Italy, and France where we had anarchists. It's not what you think or nearly as glamorous.



[edit on 29 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
The problem is this ...

Much like other ideologies, including capitalism and communism, anarchism has virtuous intent at its source. But then humans and their nature get involved and we know what we do with "isms."

Ultimately:


“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller


Switching "isms" is just re-aranging the furniture.

Edit to add: For the record, and to drive my first point across ... I grew up in Greece, Italy, and France where we had anarchists. It's not what you think or nearly as glamorous.



[edit on 29 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]


Adjusting furniture looks pretty for a while, but the in has to get readjusted. I know Anarchism won't work forever, just like Capitalism, and all the other isms won't either. It's about arranging the furniture so it is pleasing for a longer time.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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Yeah I suppose ... I'm not really disagreeing with you, like I said there are many noble notion within the ideal of anarchism.

However we humans have been there, where all the conditions described in the OP were as such. We, for a lack of a better word, "evolved" into different social contracts.

Idealized anarchism is very much a return to a simpler time if you wish, but one that was discarded at the time for various reasons to lengthy to get into. We must take that causality into account because even if it was possible to recreate those conditions (btw almost impossible by definition when everyone is armed), chances are that the same progression into consequent social contracts would simply re-manifest themselves and we'd be right back were we stand today in a few hundred years or so.

At the end of the day this conversation is a worthy intellectual exercise, but not as a pragmatic solution. In my opinion such a solution can only come when humans go through their next evolutionary stage and discard the necessity of social contracts all together. But that's a whole other conversation ... one which has neither deck, nor chairs to re-arange.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by schrodingers dog
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Yeah I suppose ... I'm not really disagreeing with you, like I said there are many noble notion within the ideal of anarchism.

However we humans have been there, where all the conditions described in the OP were as such. We, for a lack of a better word, "evolved" into different social contracts.

Idealized anarchism is very much a return to a simpler time if you wish, but one that was discarded at the time for various reasons to lengthy to get into. We must take that causality into account because even if it was possible to recreate those conditions (btw almost impossible by definition when everyone is armed), chances are that the same progression into consequent social contracts would simply re-manifest themselves and we'd be right back were we stand today in a few hundred years or so.

At the end of the day this conversation is a worthy intellectual exercise, but not as a pragmatic solution. In my opinion such a solution can only come when humans go through their next evolutionary stage and discard the necessity of social contracts all together. But that's a whole other conversation ... one which has neither deck, nor chairs to re-arange.
It will take a while for humans to realize that furniture isn't just bound to the living room. You can also put a couch on a roof. that's thinking outside the box



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:23 PM
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Originally posted by Phlynx

It will take a while for humans to realize that furniture isn't just bound to the living room. You can also put a couch on a roof. that's thinking outside the box


A COUCH ON A ROOF?

Cursed anarchists!

Society wants them to have their couch inside the house but they just won't listen!


Edit to reveal inspiration: www.youtube.com...


[edit on 29 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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And we come back to my philosophy on the subject. It is a matter of evolution. Eventually people WILL come to realize the problems with allowing others to rule over them instead of taking on the responsibility of self rule. But that may be centuries off.

In the mean time I think the best we can hope for is to get people more involved in government. To take a more active role and see for themselves the evils of it all. Government is referred to as a necessary evil but I do not consider any evil truly necessary. As soon as other people reach that level of understanding sayings like "Voting for the lesser evil" or "Necessary evils" will go the way of the Dodo and maybe we can reach that Utopian level of humanity.

It would not be without it problems but as all of humanity yearns for liberty Anarchy, is the only social philosophy I see that can truly give them that liberty.

Till then lets work on kicking out some Czars and reducing the size of our government shall we?



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:53 PM
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Oh how I wish I could agree, I am still an anarchist at heart, and always will be.
Unfortunately there is one big problem with Anarchy...Human Beings...there will always be those that seek to exploit through their superior strength, intelligence, guile etc.



posted on Sep, 29 2009 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by Freeborn
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Oh how I wish I could agree, I am still an anarchist at heart, and always will be.
Unfortunately there is one big problem with Anarchy...Human Beings...there will always be those that seek to exploit through their superior strength, intelligence, guile etc.



The goal is to let them think there superior, but in reality, they should have no more power than the rest of us. It's all about tricking the tricksters.





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