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I wish this was true, but I cannot see this happening without the message being spread.
Originally posted by titorite
All governments eventually become tyranny.
Their is no government that has not abused the citizens it was charged to serve.
Human suffering may be a constant but I do not see any need for a middle man...
Personally I consider myself a REALISTIC Anarch. I believe in anarchy whole heartedly. I also understand that the majority of humanity does not even understand the concept so they can not possibly implement it.....But I think eventually it will happen... all by itself.
Eventually all of humanity will understand the concept of 'less is more" Then governments will slowly become less and less till one day it just becomes understood that we work together to get things done... and not against one another... and not because it is government mandated or lawfully protected but just because it is how things should be done....
In the mean time... in this life I have decided to try and promote the idea of citizens having some kind of authority over the legislative process with in the US.
I live in the US...
I figure this is where the foundation of government reduction begins... With my fellow countrymen realizing that by trusting representatives to speak for them that they lose their voice completely. Because people fear change so much I don't even try to tell folks to do away with representives anymore... just that They need a say on both a state and federal level OVER what laws will be passed as they will be the ones that must abide by those laws...
Because we have evolve... We have to understand... as long as we trust others to pass laws for us they will pass laws against us inhibiting our liberty and our pursuit of happiness and most importantly our ability to be secure in our lives.
I don't want to ever read about another legless man getting tazered or another college kid getting tazed or another teenager getting tazed...to death.
OUR LEGESLATORS ARE LAW BREAKERS
And that is why I argue for the common citizen to rise up and demand a voice over the laws....
I wish for anarchy ...but it is gonna have to start with convincing people with taking an active role in government... Maybe once they get a REAL taste of it they will begin to understand all the things really wrong with it.
[edit on 22-9-2009 by titorite]
Originally posted by lepracornman
Anarchism is definitely a interesting ideology. Crush the State, dismantle the institutions.
I'm not sure how much of Kropotkin's writings anyone on this site has read, but it's good stuff if you wonder how a world would work in such a society. You will definitely be able to find it on the internet as a great thing about anarchists, they don't believe in copyright.
I myself am currently writing about Kropotkin, as some may know, he does also believe in certain socialist policy's. Combines the two. Anarchist Communism.
If anyone is interest, I can shed light on how it can and cannot work.
Originally posted by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by Phlynx
Since you started this thread I am interested in your thoughts on the one below :
Provocateur Cops Caught Disguised As Anarchists At G20
I have posted a few times on it and shared my thoughts there as well as what I already previously shared here on my thoughts of "anarchism".
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
The problem is this ...
Much like other ideologies, including capitalism and communism, anarchism has virtuous intent at its source. But then humans and their nature get involved and we know what we do with "isms."
Ultimately:
“You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete.”
Buckminster Fuller
Switching "isms" is just re-aranging the furniture.
Edit to add: For the record, and to drive my first point across ... I grew up in Greece, Italy, and France where we had anarchists. It's not what you think or nearly as glamorous.
[edit on 29 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]
It will take a while for humans to realize that furniture isn't just bound to the living room. You can also put a couch on a roof. that's thinking outside the box
Originally posted by schrodingers dog
reply to post by Phlynx
Yeah I suppose ... I'm not really disagreeing with you, like I said there are many noble notion within the ideal of anarchism.
However we humans have been there, where all the conditions described in the OP were as such. We, for a lack of a better word, "evolved" into different social contracts.
Idealized anarchism is very much a return to a simpler time if you wish, but one that was discarded at the time for various reasons to lengthy to get into. We must take that causality into account because even if it was possible to recreate those conditions (btw almost impossible by definition when everyone is armed), chances are that the same progression into consequent social contracts would simply re-manifest themselves and we'd be right back were we stand today in a few hundred years or so.
At the end of the day this conversation is a worthy intellectual exercise, but not as a pragmatic solution. In my opinion such a solution can only come when humans go through their next evolutionary stage and discard the necessity of social contracts all together. But that's a whole other conversation ... one which has neither deck, nor chairs to re-arange.
Originally posted by Phlynx
It will take a while for humans to realize that furniture isn't just bound to the living room. You can also put a couch on a roof. that's thinking outside the box
Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by Phlynx
Oh how I wish I could agree, I am still an anarchist at heart, and always will be.
Unfortunately there is one big problem with Anarchy...Human Beings...there will always be those that seek to exploit through their superior strength, intelligence, guile etc.