What hit the pentagon on 9/11/01?

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by Seventh

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So you claim there's an aircraft visible in the security cam video frame?

posted by Seventh

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posted by SPreston

After cropping the impact Still Frame;

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The aircraft shape is still visible (partially obscured by smoke or photoshopping) above the parking lot entry booth after the bright hot explosion short of the Pentagon wall.

The shape is formed by the trees and whatever in the background. . . . . . . . . . . . .

I vote that absolutely nothing hit the Pentagon. Just explosives.

posted by jthomas

So you claim there's an aircraft visible in the security cam video frame?

No jthomas. If you had the most miniscule ability to read, you would know that I claimed no such thing. But of course your duty is to twist and spin. Truth is something alien to you isn't it?

The shape is formed by the trees and whatever in the background. Do you understand these short easy 2nd grade words? Is English your native tongue jthomas? This means that I agree with you jthomas that there is no evidence that anything hit the Pentagon. See jthomas; it is possible for you to get one thing right in your entire life. Good thing you never gave up trying isn't it?

Not an aircraft. Not Flight 77. Not a Tomahawk cruise missile. Not a Predator drone. Not an A-3 Skywarrior. Not a Romulan Warbird if that was your next photoshopped exhibit. Not any flying mechanical device manufactured by human or alien. Nothing hit the Pentagon on 9-11-2001. No jthomas not even Wile E Coyote riding his rocket; he was over at Shanksville diving into the strip mine.

For more information on successful photoshopping, see our resident photoshopping expert and all around parking lot security video debunking guru jthomas.

posted by jthomas

Isn't it interesting that I have never claimed that the "security camera video shows any aircraft hitting the Pentagon." Just so we're clear about that, I want you to show everyone here any post I have made on any forum in which I have said that the security camera video shows anything hitting the Pentagon.

If you can't do that, then you will issue a public retraction right here, correct? What's that, you can't? C'mon, be a sport, just try.

In fact, as we rational people have said for years, one cannot conclude by looking at the security camera video that anything hit the Pentagon.

jthomas Photoshopping Incorporated
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I have to say this. I don't believe it was a plane. I mean where in the heck was the mangled wreckage, seats, etc. Other plane crashes there are always big pieces. Where were the wings? The tires? The big giant engines???? POOF! Gone......Well.....where did it go? Did it turn to dust? Did it squeeze through that hole in the Pentagon? Hmmmmm.

Originally posted by SPreston

posted by jthomas

So you claim there's an aircraft visible in the security cam video frame?

No jthomas. If you had the most miniscule ability to read, you would know that I claimed no such thing. But of course your duty is to twist and spin. Truth is something alien to you isn't it?

The shape is formed by the trees and whatever in the background.

How do you know? If you cannot discern and aircraft how an you actually discern anything else?

Please demonstrate your claim that there are trees in the background.

Do you understand these short easy 2nd grade words? Is English your native tongue jthomas?

Of course. But "evidence" is a foreign concept to you.

This means that I agree with you jthomas that there is no evidence that anything hit the Pentagon.

You know I never claimed any such thing, SPreston, proving once again that ALL you can do is fib to protect your fantasy.

You STILL can't demonstrate your claim that a jet "flew over and away from the Pentagon." What's taking you so long, bubba?

Originally posted by guardstarr
I have to say this. I don't believe it was a plane. I mean where in the heck was the mangled wreckage, seats, etc. Other plane crashes there are always big pieces. Where were the wings? The tires? The big giant engines???? POOF! Gone......Well.....where did it go? Did it turn to dust? Did it squeeze through that hole in the Pentagon? Hmmmmm.

Appeal to ignorance.

"You already know that no one needs that video as evidence to demonstrate that AA77 hit the Pentagon."

Obviously, no one needs "that video" or any of the other videos confiscated by the FBI to demonstrate that AA77 hit the Pentagon. I guess withholding evidence is how the Government goes about proving their case. Yep, sure makes a lot of sense.

we could know for sure if the government would tell us.

there was a hotel and gas station and other buildings that had security cameras that look right at the pentagon, but were confiscated by the FBI right after this happened

reply to post by Lillydale


Why don't you tell us what you think instead of demanding answers from us?

No one here knows for sure, hence the countless of different theories people keep coming up with. And a link probably wouldn't convince you anyway by the sounds of it.

Lets face it, all the government has to do is show a proper video of the supposed plane hitting the pentagon, then all theories would completely vanish. Surely to christ there has to be more than one, and not just a few frames which don't really show anything that remotely looks like a plane.

They could easily silence the doubters, but they choose not to. But why? Now that is a good question.

When I look at the only video of the supposed plane impact, it, to me, just looks like a bomb went off. So I personally think nothing hit the pentagon
that day.

Originally posted by jthomas
1. Admit that you refuse to refute the evidence.
2. Demonstrate your claims with evidence.

It really couldn't be simpler.

You are getting so easy that it is not even fun anymore.

1. Produce the evidence that I have refuted. If I refuted any evidence, all you have to do is show it. I will either refute it again, here for everyone to see, or be a hypocrite and change my mind - in which case you could easily prove by posting my earlier refutations.

2. What claims of evidence did I make?



I am giving you a big bonus here. Look how easy I made it for you. Ohhh boy oh boy this is gonna be good when you rub my face in my own stupid words!

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Lillydale]

Originally posted by veritech01
Here is something I don't get. If this is all a huge government conspiracy then why did they use a missile instead of a plane? They used planes for the WTC and a plane supposedly crashed in Shanksville. If they wanted to pull this off without anybody knowing why didn't they just crash a plane into it like the official account? Would it have been that much harder? Did they just get lazy and say "Ahh, # it, just missile the mother#er"?

Honest and legitimate questions. Anyone want to take a shot at them?

Sure, start that thread. This thread is not about "why they would use a missile." Maybe I forgot to turn the sign on but it is on now. It clearly states the question here. Yours is off topic because it assumes there has already been a definitive answer here and there has not. Want to ask the missile people why they think it would be a missile, start that thread.

I am really not even trying to be all that particularly rude but in each of these threads, people who buy the OS come in and questions that pretend to be on topic but are really not. They pull the conversation away from the point.

I really do not think you should declare this thread dead until it is answered. Thanks!

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by impressme
Well, what ever did hit the pentagon we know it was not a plane.

Then why can't you tell us how you know it?

Man, you're silly.

This is easy. You know how you have never answered anything and yet you keep repeating that you have previously answered some? I get to do that too, except I will give you the real answer. Because no one has ever shown me one piece of evidence to prove that it was a plane. Until then, I have to believe it is unknown.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Lillydale]

Originally posted by jthomas
Sorry, we all accept the evidence that you pretend does not exist.

Which evidence is that?

I haven't made any unsupported claims. The evidence for you to refute has been given to you.

The only claims you really have made are that you have made no unsubstantiated claims. Well...you have me there, smartguy.

You're upset because you know you cannot refute the evidence to which I have repeatedly pointed all of you. So you just whine, desperate to shift the burden of proof.

Ummmmm...are you serious? Explain to us all exactly where the burden of proof should lie? Lay it out in basic argument terms. I will start you. A)Makes a claim and B)Does not. Feel free to use them.

Sorry, your evasions don't work, and they never will. You are the one making unsupported claims. I have repeatedly pointed you to the evidence for you to refute and you avoid doing so like the plague. YOU are the one claiming there were no passenger bodies at the Pentagon then whine that you never claimed any such thing.

You're just showing the true nature of "denial" in all of it irrational forms.

Now, you have two missions.

Wow. You use waaaaay to many words to say absolutely NOTHING. I have not evaded anything, I am all over the friggin' place. I beg you to challenge me and you cannot. You do realize that others can read this, do you not? Why is it that not one of them really cares to even try to back you up?

Huh?

Wha?

Hear that? Shhhhhhhh...That is the noise you hear when the only one who you are fooling is yourself and if you want to try to lie to yourself and pretend that what you say has any merit, please have at it. You are like a dancing monkey. Now, see if you can get some OS'ers to back you up in this little argument about the burden of proof. It is easy. I can already see you bobbing and weaving. It is ok, none of that makes you invisible.

Now, say something stupid.

1. Present the evidence for YOUR claim that there "were no passenger bodies at the Pentagon." Or, retract that claim.

First of all, thank you, that was perfect.

1. What would be acceptable as evidence of no bodies?

I want to get this right for ya, sir!

Any other stupidity?

2. REFUTE the evidence that AA77 hit the Pentagon starting here, the same evidence I have repeatedly given you:

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

Do you know what evidence is? Ok, is it any page on the web that supports your argument? I am sorry. Do you have any e v i d e n c e? Websites are pretty. I have some, too. I was looking for evidence.

oh right

1. Show me some actual evidence for just one damn time so I can actually refute it, please.

And further evasions by you will demonstrate conclusively that you have NO interest in the truth whatsoever.

I lost interest in your 'truth' a long time ago. Now you are an unruly pet be funny in your lack of sense, turn stupid into endearing, and mess on the carpet.

The ball is in your court. The burden of proof remains on YOUR shoulders.

Does it? How is that again?

By the way, Lillydale, do you have any clue what the purpose of the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is?

Hmmmm. Well I have not paid my membership fee in a looooooong time and I never paid for the last two CD's that they sent me if I were to guess, I would say the search for the truth about 9/11.

I really do not care, perhaps you should ask someone wearing a "I am a truther pin. If you close your eyes, lay still and keep really quiet, then one will be by.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by jthomas
1. Admit that you refuse to refute the evidence.
2. Demonstrate your claims with evidence.

It really couldn't be simpler.

You are getting so easy that it is not even fun anymore.

1. Produce the evidence that I have refuted. If I refuted any evidence, all you have to do is show it. I will either refute it again, here for everyone to see, or be a hypocrite and change my mind - in which case you could easily prove by posting my earlier refutations.

2. What claims of evidence did I make?



I am giving you a big bonus here. Look how easy I made it for you. Ohhh boy oh boy this is gonna be good when you rub my face in my own stupid words!

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Lillydale]

Look, there is nothing simple about getting another --- NO getting an INVESTIGATION, a legitimate one.
If screwing with GL pimps is fun for you, I wish you would take it some where else. I take this subject seriously.
Do you have any idea how many times you used refute or a variation of it. It is like saying nan nan na nan na. Come on dude this is not debating for best position in the sand box.
That is what and how those butt brained spooks do it. I think you think the tragedies of 911 are unsolved as yet. As I do. But you and some others need to buck up and stop playing marbles and get some training as a hit man. I don't disagree with what you say just the way you say it.
You come on and jump right back on me, I am ready willing and able.

Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine

www.moaa.org...

Several bodies were found huddled in groups near televisions. Pentagon workers were apparently watching the carnage taking place at the World Trade Center when the hellish scene on TV became reality for them, too.

When Williams discovered the scorched bodies of several airline passengers, they were still strapped into their seats. The stench of charred flesh overwhelmed him.

www.usatoday.com...

ARLINGTON, VA – As Jim Ingledue sifted through the charred debris all around him at the Pentagon, a shiny square of white plastic caught his eye. It was a woman’s driver’s license........

Later, Ingledue looked her up. He discovered that Suzanne M. Calley was a 42-year-old strategic marketer from San Martin, Calif., who died on board American Airlines Flight 77

www.artbistro.com...

Reporter Mike Walter

www.youtube.com...

Mary Owens, "This is Local London", 9/11/02

Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and saw the left wing dip and scrape the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon

"I was right underneath the plane," said Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co., who was on the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395 when he said he saw the plane heading for the Pentagon. "I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying. I guess it was hitting light poles," said Milburn. "It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh, then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion.

Steve Patterson, who lives in Pentagon City, said it appeared to him that a commuter jet swooped over Arlington National Cemetery and headed for the Pentagon "at a frightening rate .‚.‚. just slicing into that building."

www.washingtonpost.com...

I was just about to make my turn up the sidewalk towards one of the entrances when I heard jet engines. It was not the normal jet track into National Airport, which is very, very different. I turned my head about maybe 90 degrees towards the sound of the engines, which were very loud. I fully expected to see A-10s or F-15s or something, and I saw the American Airlines airplane coming down. I watched the entire terminal descent into the building. It’s probably the loudest noise I ever heard in my life. I have heard artillery very close. I have heard rock concerts, but nothing came close to that noise. I watched the entire airplane go into the building

Army Captain (now Major) Lincoln Liebner. His statement and 139 pages of other stories from the Pentagon are here....

history.amedd.army.mil...

Engine 101 actually saw the jetliner plow into the northwest side of the Pentagon. The radio crackled, “Engine 101—emergency traffic, a plane has gone down into the Pentagon. I made a quick U-turn and was on scene within a minute to a minute and a half of the initial impact

arlingtonfirejournal.blogspot.com...


Flight 77 passenger personal effects found in the wreckage of the Pentagon...
onlineathens.com...

Will add more tomorrow.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999


Hey, Swampfox. Come a little closer, I do not want to have to yell.

There is a reason that I do not care for these muddled threads full of any and every link and article and disinfo hit piece you can get your hands on.

The question is really quite simple.

What

hit

the

Pentagon.

If you are really into providing a ton of useless information that distracts the lower hanging fruit, go do that with the thread about the wings. Here is should be really simple. You do not even need to use a complete sentence.

Just tell me what hit the pentagon.

reply to post by Donny 4 million


You truly did not mean to direct your tirade at me, did you?

Second line.

reply to post by jthomas


Thank you for finally posting something true, correct, and fact filled. I bet this is the closest you will ever get.

Originally posted by SphinxMontreal
"You already know that no one needs that video as evidence to demonstrate that AA77 hit the Pentagon."

Obviously, no one needs "that video" or any of the other videos confiscated by the FBI to demonstrate that AA77 hit the Pentagon. I guess withholding evidence is how the Government goes about proving their case. Yep, sure makes a lot of sense.

The "government" has no case it has to "prove." That's where you all fall flat on your faces.

reply to post by squidboy


The tagline on your video is false. That footage has aired on CNN more than once. Not to mention, he is talking about Flight 77 (and not a missile) hitting the Pentagon.