I honestly believe after 10,00000 hours I have done it.

Originally posted by turbofan
7th,

You have really impressed me over the last few days with your attention
to detail.

You should submit this to AE911 for review. I have direct contact. U2U
if you like.

Again, my thanks Tino, although such a small part of this whole event it is simplicity itself, that will open more eyes than an intricate hypothesis involving many formulas that the general public cannot understand, like my angle with the Jet superimposed over the explosion, with a scaled cube beside it showing just how much Jet Fuel the Jet was carrying, `You cannot show it like this it is not accurate` the shills scream, then answer me this....

How is showing the explosion with the relatively scaled down Jet beside it and the amount of fuel not accurate?, no, what this actually does is portrays the event exactly how it was - no if`s, no buts, which they do not like for the reason I stated above, and blatantly shows it for the farce that it is.

/cheers.

[edit on 9-9-2009 by Seventh]

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


I hate to say it, ... but save yourself another 10.000 hours and let it go, ... nothing will ever come of this.

It's like chasing a girl that will never go out with you, ... it only ends up in heartbreak.

How do you know she will never go out with you?


Star and Flag for you OP!
Your information is great appreciated.

Originally posted by no1dea

Originally posted by IntastellaBurst


I hate to say it, ... but save yourself another 10.000 hours and let it go, ... nothing will ever come of this.

It's like chasing a girl that will never go out with you, ... it only ends up in heartbreak.

How do you know she will never go out with you?


Star and Flag for you OP!
Your information is great appreciated.

Thanks very much, and back to the girl, just tell everyone she did go out with you - catch my drift .

reply to post by Seventh


I'm like the rest - I simply can't advise whether this is normal or not.. but instinct tells me this is most definitely odd.. maybe this is very relevant!

The point of the matter is though, not whether or not this is relevant, but the fact that average people can make and ask the right questions. this shows a person with great perception, someone who is very observant and smart when finding things that he/she is not looking for!

reply to post by Seventh

"I honestly believe after 10,00000 hours I have done it." Going to have to burst your bubble, its the word honestly......A one followed by six 0's is a million here in the U.S. A million hours breaks down to 41,666 days or 114 years and 56 days. The event occurred eight years ago so your use of the "honestly" is really out of place. I am hoping the misplacement of the comma is typographical or your math skills require some honing. My point is this, extreme exaggeration causes one to wonder about the validity of your other claims. You might want to get a moderator to fix that title for you. Just a passing thought.

Very interesting observation Seventh.

The following 4 images show sections with a straight cut.
All of these pics are taken from the Sonnenfeld collection on ATS.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/81c23a1299a8.jpg[/atsimg]

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[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/27bc80a7077f.jpg[/atsimg]

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The next is most interesting of all. The search dog indicating this is without doubt
taken before the gas torch crews were at work. What cut these ?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/92aa3680d124.jpg[/atsimg]

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One thing that has been puzzling me -
It seems that most hollow uprights had these welded End Plates.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d4bda5e2fe24.jpg[/atsimg]

To my thinking those end plates were not made for decoration and must surley been
used to bolt the uprights together. I am guessing they were bolted by using an
air socket system via these rectangular Access Holes.
So I would expect to see 4 x bolts, washers and nuts per end plate.

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What method/event seperated the uprights from the adjoining sets ?
This is the only pic I can find showing 2 x Bolts (bent from collapse)

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/560b460578b9.jpg[/atsimg]

The pile is full of images showing the closed end faces of the uprights,
Again what caused these to seperate so neatly ?

Great thread OP

Is there any way to verify without question that all/any of these photos are pre-cleanup?

I'm sure there are other ways one could spin this, but the first thing that comes to my mind is the argument of "They were cut by the welders during cleanup".

***Edit to add I've found my answer in the photos of the building still in the process of being demo'd***

[edit on 10/9/2009 by P1DrummerBoy]

reply to post by CannotGoHome


Great post bud, some great pictures in there .

Originally posted by P1DrummerBoy
Great thread OP

Is there any way to verify without question that all/any of these photos are pre-cleanup?

I'm sure there are other ways one could spin this, but the first thing that comes to my mind is the argument of "They were cut by the welders during cleanup".

***Edit to add I've found my answer in the photos of the building still in the process of being demo'd***

[edit on 10/9/2009 by P1DrummerBoy]

Well thanks, and a lot of my pictures were from the collapse so pre welders .

Originally posted by rogerstigers
A little digging got me this:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/078735889fb727a7.jpg[/atsimg]

The real question is, how did all that implode and explode and go from top to bottom to within mere seconds of absolute FREE FALL in nothing but air..? with all the material blowing out in a plume of exploding debris, some firing large pieces of steel into the adjacent American express building and into the Winter Garden Atrium five hundred feet away - all the way to the ground WITHOUT ANY LOSS OF MOMENTUM???

Absent the use of explosives severing everything beneath the descending debris wave, that is..

[edit on 10-9-2009 by OmegaPoint]

reply to post by Seventh


Excellent stuff and bravo for having an eye for detail! Sooner or later all the evidence is going to build up and SOMEBODY's going to have to tell us all what really happened... at least confirm what we already know anyway. I believe it's going to happen! And despite what someone else said, never give it up!

Originally posted by harrytuttle
However, would it be necessary to cut the exterior support structure if you could compromise the inner columns instead? I mean, if you cut the internal columns into sections, wouldn't the exterior be needed to "mask" the internal explosions?

It might have been in order to stop huge sheets of it peeling off and falling outwards. "They" obviously wanted the buildings to come down in their own footprint, as far as possible. They wanted desctruction, but only limited destruction.

reply to post by debris765nju

"I honestly believe after 10,00000 hours I have done it." Going to have to burst your bubble, its the word honestly......A one followed by six 0's is a million here in the U.S. A million hours breaks down to 41,666 days or 114 years and 56 days. The event occurred eight years ago so your use of the "honestly" is really out of place. I am hoping the misplacement of the comma is typographical or your math skills require some honing. My point is this, extreme exaggeration causes one to wonder about the validity of your other claims. You might want to get a moderator to fix that title for you. Just a passing thought.

Hey, I like you and I like reading your stuff, but no need to be so anal! It's ok to exaggerate when you've obviously worked on something for a very long time and I don't think anyone really took it literally. Just saying this nicely and with a smile!

Originally posted by gemineye
reply to post by debris765nju

 

Hey, I like you and I like reading your stuff, but no need to be so anal!

It's ok to exaggerate when you've obviously worked on something for a very long time and I don't think anyone really took it literally.

Just saying this nicely and with a smile!

Wondering if he/she done the same when they were young and being told off by a parent....`I`ve told you a million times....`..

reply to post by OmegaPoint


Furthermore and should be most apparent to GL's:

How/why does the demo wave continue down the tower at the same rate
if mass is being ejected outward?

There is no scientific explanation to support the video evidence for gravity.

reply to post by gemineye

Are you sure you don't mean anile? Exaggeration is NEVER (even now) acceptable when you are making factual statements. If you are going to play fast and loose with reality then your conclusions and/or findings are liable to be overlooked or called into question. The nonsensical, non-existant number caused my interest to disengage and my train of thought derailed. Did i miss anything? lol

reply to post by debris765nju


Nope, not anile, lol.

I suppose I just have a problem with everyone taking everything so seriously in what otherwise is a great thread and the OP makes an excellent point. But, like I said, I like you and you make a good point so I probably should haven't said anything. I guess just because something bothers me doesn't mean that others see it the same way and I need to keep that in mind. You seem very intelligent and that's more than I can say about a few others on here. You were just stating your opinion and that's what ATS is all about so I apologize.



[edit on 9/12/2009 by gemineye]

A few more, some will only only show 4 or 5 girders, but if it`s over 3 the same length then that`s the nature of the thread, also there are some of the same piece, it is hard to notice, if you have ever looked at the FEMA pictures some are massive..

All these are from FEMA photos, I marked what appears to be a lot of failed cuts (bottom picture).

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/d45be8ad5bdd.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/fbe40f99302a.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/746622119926.jpg[/atsimg]

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4ba21ec40a8a.jpg[/atsimg]

I do believe that at the technical (mechanical) floors they were all spliced on the same level and at the bases.
This could be what you are seeing in the pictures.

Also during the clean up, they did cut straight across the column trees as well.

EDIT to add:

If you notice, at the ends of some of the columns you outline, you can see the openings for the bolts, which would have held the endcaps. During the collapse, these were the ones that failed. If they were cut by something (what exactly?) it would be much more obvious. Explosives leave a telltale blast and tearing. Not smooth and capped ends.

[edit on 9/12/2009 by GenRadek]

reply to post by CannotGoHome


To answer your question of why the bolts separated so evenly, its obvious. The force of the collapse is what did it. There is no way those 1" bolts would be able to take the sheering and tearing forces of the collapse. Once they snap, they are free to go wherever.