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posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:23 AM
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reply to post by open_eyeballs
 


i think what you didnt notice is that he said the NWO was going to let us wither in the sun like a tumbleweed. That is pretty harsh if not a downright evil plan... but thats just me.




posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:26 AM
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I fail to see why this study had to be done at all as it is evident everywhere you turn.

The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

The power elite, who are fascist in mentality, own the money to direct the flow of the world.

They are called the Seven World Bankers, and they direct the flow, and it trickles down from their tables like crumbs at Thanksgiving.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 08:51 AM
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i am sure he knows that it isnt news that a few people control the world but it is something that needs to be referenced to make sure we remember it.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 09:23 AM
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My post was in no way meant as a derogatory comment towards the original poster.

It was meant more towards the people who did the study because the majority of the world knows that the power elite have the money that controls the world.

What the power elite do not know is that they have to get it from the people beneath them and those people can cut them off at any time.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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I was a bit concerned about posting really, as the OP is about ownership of stocks, not depopulation, but I felt that as OT as it was, that infowars article could not go unchallenged.


I hear ya. If you delve into these types of threads you will notice a common denominator many of them share. The OP may not have been directly about depopulating the earth, but if you look through the comments and how they begin to mention the "NWO" and all their evil plots you will see that your post was very on topic and well worth it just as it is.

There are more "doom" threads that delve into the evil plots trying to wipe out world financials (and subsequently the common man) than you can shake a stick at...As I have questioned many times before...why now? What has changed that makes "them" want to take "us" out now? I have already mentioned the fact that America, Europe and now your great example of China has the largest middle class ever (not to mention south american states such as Brazil). Yet, this argument goes unchallenged. People do not realize that their cant be great wealth, great riches and great power without the backs of laborers and empty pockets of the poor. They are essential in the pendulum of power. Sure enough, there will be swelllings of middle class and deflations of middle class. But the fact remains the last 30 years have been some of the most prosperous times the world has ever seen. Somehow all this can be easily brushed aside for the latest scaremongering from Alex Jones...

And again, I have to repeat myself like a parrot, because someone will take my points and use them against me calling me ignorant of all the suffering and starvation in the world. There can and should be more done to help these people. Is there conspiracy to keep the poor poor an dthe rich rich? You bet...It is called lobbying policies. There is no one in D.C. lobbying for the poor man. No one in D.C. lobbying for the less fortunate. 90% of all policies are meant to prop up the rich and have no concern for the poor or common man. The ones that have been put in place have mostly been done by labor unions and serious civil revolutions such as the ones in the 60s and 70s...MLK jr and Cesar Chavez...come to mind right off the bat.

So, there were vast improvements. Not perfection, but things are a process, and the system will work given enough time and when large numbers stand up for themselves and use their representatives accordingly...or their vote to change representaives...



Was it you that mentioned that many of the quotes it contains are without the context of their supporting arguments?


Ya, I briefly went into that but was then accused of not reading the post and being ignorant of the quotes. People don't like being told they may not have all the facts straight or may not be getting the whole picture. And Im not saying I am the one with all the answers (as I have already been accused of in this thread), but I can sure spot logic when I see it. And I have enough intuitiveness and knowledge of history to know what doesnt make sense. Not to mention I hav elooked up the NWOP theories, an dread scholarly takes on these supposed conspiracies. And there is not one scholar that takes to this argument. At least I have not foun done...

But you get many of these NWO Alex Jones types who will take quotes and un related "evidence" out of context (just so they feel they can be right in a conversation) and throw them in your face like they are Shirlock Homes and they just discovered the mystery to King Tuts tomb...



I was going to get into that but would have run out of characters.


I wouldnt bother if I were you. The point has been made through multiple posters here, and your last one did a great job of expounding on why many of these conspiracies need to be taken with a grain of salt, especially when their motivations are ones from a religious standpoint...



To come back towards the topic, China is often cited as a bugbear in this debate as they have instituted quite aggressive population control. What people seem to forget is that its not long ago that there was endemic famine in China. Look @ the place now. Going from economic strength to strength. Did the owners of stock in Chinese industry bring about a mass depop? A quarter of the world's population would seem to suggest otherwise.


What a fine example. For whatever reason logic of this nature gets denied by those who wish to further their own agenda. Same could be said for India, except they dont have the stringent population control laws I believe. But, as you alluded to, the more a country advances the larger their population becomes and the more strain that gets placed on the system. Therefore population control laws become necessity to help hinder the slide of prosperity that seems to be directly related to how many people are sustainable is a certain area...

I think it would be only natural to want to limit that growth, but do we really need to fly off the track at every turn with our tin foil hats on screaming : "it will be the death of u sall!"..?
..It just gets a bit old after a while...

Hopefully you saw what had been going on in this thread, and again your rational thinking and well thought out factual arguments are much appreciated. While I may be to blunt and to quick to being annoyed with some of these irrationalities, I know I am on the righ track, and have alway skept an open mind to knowledgeable posters that show their acuity. As the sloagan states...deny ignorance. Again, well done...



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:25 PM
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i know you didnt. i was just saying. but here is the problem. we really cant because they hold literally all the cards: production, allotment, transportation, medicine and so on. At one point we could cut them off but now it is the choice of who we want to control us. The choice isnt do i want Rockefeller to direct my railroad choice, it is can i buy a Sony or a Kodak. Consumer choice is a facade based on our perceived perception that we control what we have access to. The same people own everything so its not like closing one will prove our control of the system.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:32 PM
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The International Corporations would like the US middle class to think that they needs the ICs, but the truth is just the opposite, the ICs need the middle class. They aren't through with us, because they desperately need us.

They won't run us off the land because they don't have the power to do such a thing. They could never get the soldiers in our military to agree to defend their claimed property rights, and local authorities would not have the ability to do so. Even if the military supported them, they would find themselves facing a very large, well armed population, with huge problems keeping troops loyal to the military.

More importantly, most of the wealth is nothing but a pyramid scheme, that would collapse completely in such a crisis, and their wealth, and therefore power, would disappear.

Everyone is trying to sell this idea that China is going to take over the world, and it really is laughable when you take a closer look at China. China's worker productivity is extremely low, and already they are running out of skilled workers. Anyone with any talent in China is looking to leave the country and move to the US at the first chance, because no one wants to live under a totalitarian government.

China has a very intolerant, oppressive government, and until that changes, they will always have to deal the problem that anyone with any ability will leave the country at the first opportunity. China's government will have to change before they could ever achieve first world status, let alone take over economic leadership of the planet.

In addition, China has turned it's country into an environmental nightmare, that is already creating a great many problems. Who know how long that three river dam they built will last, but it already has lots of cracks, and the basin is filling up with dirt, as the forming lake is creating large numbers of landslides. It won't be too long until this problem they have created needs to be dealt with.

The U.S., on the other hand is the worlds gold standard for productivity, leading the world in worker productivity, except for a few small regions in Europe. In fact U.S. worker productivity has increased its lead over the rest of the world in the last decade, especially the third world. This is what makes the U.S. the most lucrative country to invest in. Do a little research, you will find that this is true, although from what you hear mainstream media preaching, we are all a bunch of lazy buggers.

As far as education goes, the U.S. has always lagged, because our schools are more interested in using education as a way to create barriers to opportunity than to educate our youth. Mostly they concentrate on loading student with sadistic levels of repetitive school work to encourage students to give up. The best and the brightest do the minimum, and concentrate on expanding their knowledge and understanding of the world outside of the school system. This is why the last wave of technology was created by college dropouts, and so will the next.

With automation and the internet, these corporate giants are starting to turn into un-necessary, extremely expensive overhead, and the writing is on the wall. We are going through a big down turn because the worlds economy is changing. If we are lucky, this change will be the elimination, or a drastic reduction, in the control imposed on us by these giant corporations.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 12:58 PM
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Ok, now I understand. Even though you were replying to me, your beef was with others.

Any sixteen year old willing to engage his brain and think independently, I will always encourage.

Yeah, you are creating strawman arguments in your replies to me, but I suppose I am also guilty of that as well sometimes.

Those people who write these posts that mainly aim to drive the thread off topic, or make crazy accusations, I try to ignore, or sometime I find amusing. The key is not to feed the trolls.

Now I was expecting you to be in disagreement with crimvelvets PTB post. So you do agree that there are PTB, just not reptilians.

oh, edit

Forgot to add, I probably shouldn't have said, "open your eyes" to a guy whose user name is open_eyeballs, I should have said, "wake up and smell the coffee" or some other such expression instead. Honestly, its not meant as a put down, but a jest.



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posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 06:12 PM
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If you delve into these types of threads you will notice a common denominator many of them share.
Oh yeah, I've read plenty. Dont usually post because of the amount of flaming over opinions, some of which are so out there & coupled with the religion offered up as proof, that imo the only rational response would be just "lol" - a T&C violation. Great comedy tho!

People do not realize that their cant be great wealth, great riches and great power without the backs of laborers and empty pockets of the poor.
Yeah, you know why tho, right? Because thinking that way leads to Trade Unions, which are... duh duh Der! OMFG socialist! Which we all know means communist. Strange too how the NWO are both rich power-hungry elitists & socialist/communist @the same time, eh?
Despite the stated aims of socialism being welfare & social justice, which by definition must reduce the gap between rich & poor either by taxing the rich more or mandating higher wages for the poor & communism's being direct wealth redistribution, the real aim of the pinko NWO is to kill us all & what, do the work themselves?
There certainly is a conspiracy: it is that the likes of Rockefeller & Morgan fund Baptist education instituions to pump out propaganda that demonises the only means by which ordinary people can fight back against exploitation, ie Trade Unions, minimum wages, universal healthcare (oops, I've done it now
) & free education. Oh, & the dogma of the holy free market.
Hey, these people wouldn't create the system of belief that ensures their unassailability tho... no it is much more reasonable to assume that, rather than a plot to make us enslave ourselves, there's a plot to kill us.

...I can sure spot logic when I see it. And I have enough intuitiveness and knowledge of history to know what doesnt make sense.
Seems that way to me. We'll never get change without clarity.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 07:05 PM
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The thing with productivity tho is that it is measured by comparing the value of goods or services produced to wages. China's exports are very cheap. Most Chinese citizens are pretty poor & so anything in the domestic market must therefore also be cheap. The productivity of US workers has been steadily rising, but then the exports, arms, civilian aircraft, basic foodstuffs & media are either fairly expensive or dont employ many people. @ the same time, US wages have been pretty much frozen or falling in real terms for a long time. In fact its only been consumer credit that kept people from realising the trouble the US economy was in (a deliberate strategy of Bush Jnr.'s administration - check my siggy link for an exploration).
Certainly China's rapid ongoing change over from an agrarian economy to industrialisation has caused major problems, but they do also have a lot of money & a huge workforce. I think that they'll be able to sort their problems out in the medium term &, since so many corporations are vying to get well in with the Chinese govt., it seems I'm not the only 1. China are also spending that money on pensions & infrastructure, both measures which will expand their domestic market for their domestically produced consumer goods.
So, whilst I agree that they won't take over the world (Muahahaha style), they will soon, if not already, sit @the top table. I also think that our corporate elites will have a much tougher job dictating policy to China's govt. too. Its not like they're known for taking sh!t from western business is it? With the amount of US debt their holding over the US govt, its not like the traditional CIA method of fomenting rebellion, funding & arming "freedom fighters" to get a regime amenable to US corporate interests will work this time either. I wonder what the expansion of China's domestic market will do to the NWO conspiracies?



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 10:32 PM
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You make some good points here, which I can't really disagree with, but some discrepancies I would point out.

U.S. productivity is so high because we work harder and longer than everyone else. We must constantly compete with the best and the brightest, and the most ambitious, who succeed in making their way to the U.S. these days. Our skill levels are higher, and we are a ingenious lot.

China still has a long ways to go, but I think they will get there. I can't agree with many of the policies of the Chinese government, but many I think are well developed. So far, the Chinese government has been forced to play ball with Western ICs, and probably Japanese and S. Korean. As they develop more economic power, they will become more independent, and I agree, this would be a good thing for us all. Healthy competition is good.

My immigrant friends always make a point to remind me how much better things are in the U.S.. My counter is that things are better because we refuse to just go along with the system. We must constantly fight for our liberty, because the PTB are always constantly fighting to take our liberty away.



posted on Sep, 2 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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Well, please dont take this as USA bashing, because thats not my intention, but really? Work harder & longer? Who in the world works harder & longer than the poor sods in the sweatshops of developing nations? The conditions for many Chinese are pretty similar, its just that they do also get healthcare & education. But remember, their productivity is measured by wages compared to the cost of their product, as sold to the contracting company.
Meanwhile, an American sits in front of a monitor, with regular breaks etc. arranging the logistics of delivering the finished product from sweatshop to retail outlet. Their productivity is measured by the final profit on such goods compared to their wages. By comparison, they're doing next to nothing, but are more "productive".
As far as ingenuity goes, yeah, the USA leads in some areas, but others it lags in. The writing has been on the wall for the auto industry for decades, but US laws passed to make vehicles just over half as efficient as equivalent European models were suspended year after year. Power generation is another area &, believe it or not, networked telecoms.
Cant say I'm a fan of the Chinese govt either! Still, I think we've got to take notice that their system provides for a level of continuity of leadership, & thus strategy, that has allowed very long term goals to finally start to come to fruition. This is something that bottom-line watching capitalism really cant do very well, simply because its illegal for board directors not to try to maximise profits for shareholders now, not in 25+yrs. We seriously are in a new reality.
I think this may be a European vs USA perspective thing, but to me, its not my liberty I'm worried about TPTB taking. A few good riots & we can get that back just as we got it in the 1st place. No, its my money they're after & the free services I get or used to, including actual education, not just job training.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 07:31 AM
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No, productivity is measured by actual output, not assigned value. It is an accurate measure

www.bls.gov...

Most U.S. workers do not make there money processing goods made in other countries. I don't know where you get this idea, but is an attitude so many want to portray, the typical lazy American, but sorry, you are wrong. Get yourself a construction job and see how easy it is. Try fishing in Alaska. You should look at some real numbers on this.

Basically, the super rich want everybody poor. They are primarily liars and crooks, and have always been. It is the current state of existence of the corporate entity that is the biggest problem.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 07:57 AM
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What was said is very important, but what does that have to do with the control of stocks?



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:02 PM
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No, productivity is measured by actual output, not assigned value. It is an accurate measure
www.bls.gov...
I stand corrected

However, I hope you can see that comparing an industrialised nation like the USA, which has a well established transport infrastructure, to an industrialising nation like China, which is still developing theirs, gives a skewed result. No matter how hard a Chinese person works, their industry's unit output is hampered until such time as better transport makes for greater efficiency.
There are other factors too. From your link:

The measures reflect the joint effect of a number of interrelated influences such as changes in technology, capital investment per worker, capacity utilization, intermediate inputs per worker, layout and flow of material, skill and effort of the work force, managerial skill, and labor-management relations.
Thus we can see that how hard individuals work is only 1 of many factors which go into measuring productivity. The same is also true of "ingenuity".
I did not intend to portray "the typical lazy American", I used that as an extreme example to make the point that sweatshop workers work harder than almost anyone. Perhaps I should have been more clear.
Still, there aren't that many Americans working construction or Arctic fishing either. The process of de-industrialisation has shifted the balance of US jobs much more to tertiary & quaternary industry (service & info). As a young man I worked as a scaffolder & also a farm labourer. Now I work longer high pressure hours in media. This is much easier! In China, farming, construction & sweatshop industry are prevalent.

Basically, the super rich want everybody poor. They are primarily liars and crooks, and have always been
Yeah, they are. 1 of their methods is promoting nationalism.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by rebirthofamarica What was said is very important, but what does that have to do with the control of stocks?
Well, for my own part, I'm saying that the new economic reality will be driven to a large extent by an emerging China. The Chinese govt are not in the habit of allowing western corporations free reign in their country. Also, since the Chinese govt has huge US$ reserves & plenty of US T-Bills, it seems likely that they can force corporations into joint ownership ventures, 1st in China, then in China's sphere of influence & eventually worldwide.
If this does happen, the Chinese govt will become a major stockholder in the next phase of world economics.
Their 1 party style of government also means that they are like a de facto corporation themselves, except they have the distinct advantage of not having to clandestinely influence law makers - they are the law makers!
As I said before, it'll be interesting to see how this affects peoples perception of NWO conspiracy.



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 01:44 PM
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Ok, now I understand. Even though you were replying to me, your beef was with others.


Yes, Im glad we got that cleared up. I probably should have been more clear with my first response to you, but you came in at precisely the time I had been "schooled" (
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) by some of our more inept contributors...



Those people who write these posts that mainly aim to drive the thread off topic, or make crazy accusations, I try to ignore, or sometime I find amusing. The key is not to feed the trolls.


I dont think it is so much they wish to drive the thread off topic as it is a regurgitation of things they read or think they understand because they read it on places like infowars and/or Alex Jones said it on his radio show. They then come here and act like it is scripture written by 'God' himself... thats normally when I try to bring some sort of rationale to the discussion, and sometimes that involves teling poeple sources lik eAlex Jones are not the most reliable. So many times people take it personally, and the thread gets thrown off topic... But, anywho, it is what it is...




Now I was expecting you to be in disagreement with crimvelvets PTB post. So you do agree that there are PTB, just not reptilians.


From the research I have done and from reading differnt articles written by historical scholars and views from credible political watchdog sources and even politicans themselves I have come to the conlclusion there is no defined "PTB" in the same sense you think of Dr. evil and his evil clan plotting to take ove rthe world.

Have there been different secret societies? Different groups conspiring to manipulate specific events and carry out specific agendas? You bet. Is corporatism and fascism the worlds real dominant political ideology? In my opinion..yes has there been organizations such as illumintai, free masons, knights templar, CFR, builderbergers etc., etc., Oh ya..

But are they taking over the world and plotting to kill us in som egran dconspiracy they un-esoterically calling teh NWO..Not hardly...

The same free masons have been Presidents who fought for civil rights and gave us the constitution. The same "illuminati" who (behind teh scenes) fought the Catholic heirarchy defending the sciences and trying to wipeout the ridiculous doctrines that hampred free thinking before the age of enlihghtenment. The same corporate executives who brought us woodstock and advertised the ideas of MLK jr an dothers.

While Im not sticking up for all their actions (certainly there have been quite nefarious plots and conspiracies. Mostly dealing with greed and manipulation)...I am saying there is a massive amount of gray area wher the percieved bad guys are also the freedom fighters.. History and our current freedoms prove this... Again not saying it is a constant batt;le for usto b efighting and protecting those freedoms. because ther are certain options some wish to remove from our current societal structure...

But while people are so stuck on the NWO and black and white distractive arguments the real world continues to spin and have real issues that need addressing today...




Forgot to add, I probably shouldn't have said, "open your eyes" to a guy whose user name is open_eyeballs, I should have said, "wake up and smell the coffee" or some other such expression instead. Honestly, its not meant as a put down, but a jest.


Thats cool. I appreciate the acknowlegement. I think it was a thing with timing and mistaking your argument as a defense for some of teh more outalndish things that were said before you entered the thread...

Its all good..



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 02:27 PM
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Yeah, you know why tho, right? Because thinking that way leads to Trade Unions, which are... duh duh Der! OMFG socialist! Which we all know means communist. Strange too how the NWO are both rich power-hungry elitists & socialist/communist @the same time, eh?


...funny how these points go ignored by those that jump up and down how the NWO is trying to off us all...


Despite the stated aims of socialism being welfare & social justice, which by definition must reduce the gap between rich & poor either by taxing the rich more or mandating higher wages for the poor & communism's being direct wealth redistribution, the real aim of the pinko NWO is to kill us all & what, do the work themselves?


How very astute. Ya..now that we are getting back to an environment first view..those that are left at the end of the apocolypse will be living naked in mud huts...who needs laborers anymore when there arent any roads and bridges to build?...




There certainly is a conspiracy: it is that the likes of Rockefeller & Morgan fund Baptist education instituions to pump out propaganda that demonises the only means by which ordinary people can fight back against exploitation, ie Trade Unions, minimum wages, universal healthcare (oops, I've done it now ) & free education. Oh, & the dogma of the holy free market.


AAAhh! Free universal healthcare! Nevermind half of America already uses free healthcare...or at least a large portion...But I thnk I know what it is really about...I mean how much do you think it costs treating all those scaly rashes reptillian aliens get?
As you see universal must be the stipulation for free healthcare so we can take care of our galactic brethren...


No, but in all honesty, health care, in my opinion, needs to be determined on a state by state basis as our constitution stipulates... If not, why even have states to begin with? If each state decides to ratify the health care plan by the fed then I dont see the big deal...but it should be left up to each states constituents...

Your points have been a gratifying read and maybe this gets old but I have to say thanks again!



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 03:35 PM
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Ya..now that we are getting back to an environment first view..those that are left at the end of the apocolypse will be living naked in mud huts...who needs laborers anymore when there arent any roads and bridges to build?
Yeah. TPTB will be fine with that. Just so long as they can hang Rembrandt in their mud hut & sit on designer logs that is...
Coz that's what people famously do, all throughout history even: get born into wealth, get the exclusive schooling to learn to wield the power their wealth will afford & then deliberately destroy their powerbase. Its all so obvious!

No, but in all honesty, health care, in my opinion, needs to be determined on a state by state basis as our constitution stipulates.
Regardless of constitutional issues, I expect it would have to be on a state by state basis simply because of the admin involved. Thats a major problem with the NHS here in the UK.

Your points have been a gratifying read and maybe this gets old but I have to say thanks again!
Mate, its nice to talk to someone who gets the issues & debates them, as you said, a lot just seem to repeat other peoples rants. Especially thanks for - Scaley rashes!
like oh f#



posted on Sep, 3 2009 @ 04:39 PM
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Yeah. TPTB will be fine with that. Just so long as they can hang Rembrandt in their mud hut & sit on designer logs that is...
Coz that's what people famously do, all throughout history even: get born into wealth, get the exclusive schooling to learn to wield the power their wealth will afford & then deliberately destroy their powerbase. Its all so obvious!


Oh man that is such the truth!


Classic...Thats one of the things I find sickening about the ultra wealthy...

When they have the attitude like its so difficult for them to be wealthy..right?

Maybe some of them worked their butt off, but some of the rich little bastards get handed a hundred million dollars when they turned 18 and all of a sudden they are king sh** sitting on mount turd...

They get the exclusive schooling that does exactly what you said...teaches them ways to preserve their wealth and how to manipulate policies to limit the competition..if you will...

Then we hear about facade style politics that do nothing but distract the general public...n. korea. iran...

hal these pricks kids go to the same schools in switzerland as the elite of the U.K. and the United States!
..it such a fricken head game!!!






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