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Originally posted by infovacume
Adaption, is the body, or a living organism changing to adapt to his enviroment, yes, but he can only change, or adapt, by using the dna information that he is already built with.
Originally posted by infovacume
Well, I am not talking about the mental ability to learn. Of course I can learn I new language, but I can't learn how to grow gills and flippers.
Originally posted by radiant
I cant believe with all the great biblical subjects to be debated I continually find the concept of evolution rearing its ugly head.
The bible is not literal. Read between the lines. It is a beautiful allegory refering to your souls journey through egypt (physical existence).
The only reason the ancients didnt put a disclaimer on the bible declaring it fiction was that the writers couldnt concieve of people degrading to the level required to believe it as literal truth. What a dark morass we have come to find ourselves in and what is to be done to rectify the situation?
Thanks for your input tallshaffer I really found it to be refreshing.
[Edited on 18-5-2004 by radiant]
Originally posted by Seapeople
Originally posted by radiant
I cant believe with all the great biblical subjects to be debated I continually find the concept of evolution rearing its ugly head.
The bible is not literal. Read between the lines. It is a beautiful allegory refering to your souls journey through egypt (physical existence).
The only reason the ancients didnt put a disclaimer on the bible declaring it fiction was that the writers couldnt concieve of people degrading to the level required to believe it as literal truth. What a dark morass we have come to find ourselves in and what is to be done to rectify the situation?
Thanks for your input tallshaffer I really found it to be refreshing.
[Edited on 18-5-2004 by radiant]
I thought that we did a good job at debating all fronts of the Bible on here. I continually put ideas out there, with little or no response. Evolution is just another topic, that NEEDS its head to pop out of the ground. If we continue to let people believe in things blindly, then how will they ever be able to make decisions on their own? Anyone, who feels that evolution does not exist is misinformed. They are listening to irrational explanations from religious leaders or their friends and family who have also been listening to religious leaders. They are afraid of the implications that these concepts bring, just as they were afraid many times in the past about various other scientific ideas....you know...all that world is round, world is not the center of the universe "NONSENSE". People were killed for believing that. Religion is blinding.
It is terrible to see how people cast aside logic and reason and fact....for a book written over the course of several thousand years if not more.. Most christians could not tell me that they have read the bible through, cover to cover, even once. I would argue that 99% of christians never do that. Yet they criticize me and others who have taken the time to go through it. They have the nerve to say that they believe it fully, when they can't even say that they have read it. This applies to most people who argue with me on here (though im sure not all). Refusing to see the truth could only lead them away from God.
I have to go now, Dueteronomy wants me to go stone someone for being raped..... So I have to get an angry christian mob to help me, then after that, Leviticus wants me to sacrifice cows and pour the blood over my childs head. (Direct instructions from God mind you.) After that, I think I am going to go have intercourse with my two twin daughters and have a child with them....as shown in Genesis. Hopefully this will all allow me to be taken by the rapture, which really was never mentioned in the Bible so I can't refer you too it.
Originally posted by Seapeople
I have an idea. I am going to ask a series of questions. Answer truthfully Infovacume (or anyone else).
1) Do humans and all other animals pass their genes (DNA) onto the next generation?
Yes they do , but they do not create new ones...
2) If an animal had a random genetic trait that enables it to climb trees better to get food, when there was a lack available food on the ground, would it be more or less likely to survive? Answer more or less.
Well to start off , that it is highly unlikely that a random Genetic trait would allow somthing so large in change , but to answer your question more. But then again everyone would die off , therfore leaving him with no mate, and ending the species.
3) Would the animals that were able to climb trees had a better chance of surviving, would they also not have a better chance of reproducing?
Doesn't make sense, you are assuming that this "random gentic trait" would accidentaly happen to others at the same time. Thats not random. But to answer I would say yes obviously.
4) Would these animals pass on their genes to the next generation? Refer to question 1.
Not neccesarily, it is all by chance.
5) Would that trait that enabled them to climb in trees be exagerated in this certain species?
No, maybe, who knows, I would go with no.
6) Would that mean that the animals that were more well equipped to eat on the ground have more or less of a chance to survive?
More since there would be less strain on their eating source since others have resorted to eating whats up in the trees, so they would auctually flurish, or remain the same as before.
7) Would the traits that enable the animal to eat on the ground, when in a case of limited food source there for a long period of time exists, be more or less likely to be passed on to the next generation?
More, well hold on there is no more or less , they would since Genetic material is not concious nor can it make decisions to change, it would not know, and therfor go on doing what it has always done.
Ill ask more when you are through with those infovacume.
Originally posted by Seapeople
"Infovacume...I would first off like to say that I am not immature. Answer me this. Were hundreds of thousands of people killed for disagreeing with the CHRISTIAN church over the years?"
Not sure about the number or how about you come upon it, but were Christians and other religious groups not also killed because of there belief, I can think of about 7 million off the top of my head.
" Were they killed for believing things like the earth was not the center of the universe? Yes or no.....no further explanation. You look into things too much when you do that. You see, these things did occur."
Yes, but then again you are talking about the Catholic Church not the Christian religion. So your point is....Did you know that that Cathoilic scientist helped tremedously with new age science revolution?
"Now, are you catholic? Just curious. "
Nope I am non-denomenational
"You see, people like you try to twist things around. "
How is that?
"What I described is based in darwinism yes, but it is not darwinism."
What did you just say?Sounds like you are the one twisting things around, hey you sound like John Kerry, any relation?
" In darwinism, we evolved from monkeys."
Rofl are you kidding me, yeah thats it, that was his whole theory, lol come on man I hope you were being sarcastic
" I never once said this was the case. I said, simply, and clearly, that evolution does exist. Even if its on a microscopic level...it does exist.""
Ok so where is your evidense, should be easy to come by... ? Right....?
"For crying out loud, your refusal to see this is clear evidence that my statements were not rude. Everyone here can see that I was right...at least when it comes to you. You are blind. "
lol again you are the one cracking me up and making me laugh, I answered you loaded questions just how you wanted me to, but your gun was pointed at you and only furthered my point , not my fault, it was yours...
"I offered bible debate with you. I shut your mouth real quick.. You didnt respond to anything. You couldn't. because you dont know the bible well enough (typical christian)."
Wow keeping on proving my point, "that your imature" did I not say I FELL THROUGH A CIELING I ALMOST DIED , do you want pics, you are no were near the top of my prioritie list, so get a grip I was cut in three places down my gut to my kidneys, and yes you are correct, I am not Bible scholar, but then again I have never said I was, guess it is a good thing I llive with one though, his 35+ years of experience helps... And again you go on creating false steareo types about christions, again real mature.
"I was still cool about everything. I offered debate about Noah and Creation as you requested, which I got nothing from you on other then opinion and regurgitated information that you probably heard in church. I get a response for this, one that is based in nothing but anger. Nice....."
Woah dude relax, no one is filled with anger, I was dissapointed that you went to the extreems you do, I thought I found somone who I could finnaly have mature reasonable debates with, I am starting to think this is not the case. If anyone is mad it is you, which is evident in your post. I was not mad, just offended. And again stop assuming I run Bible in hand to go ask the Preacher the answer to your questions. LOL I make decisions on my own as I am sure you do, the difference is I don't assume you go running to the A.C.L.U and other liberal Christians bashers for your questions.
"People like you need to go read the bible. If you folowed your doctrine word for word....YOU WOULD BE IN JAIL. So get over the fear of reality. Life evolves on this planet, period."
Ok then were is the proof? Prove it to me, you have yet to do so. Show me how, do you see my point? That you think it is so freaking obvious, and yet you can not prove it, I even answered all your "purdy" little loaded questions the way you wanted me too just so I could see your point, but you sir are the one that did not respond to them.
"We may not know all the specifics. All we know is that it evolves....or as some people put it (and there is no difference) adapts..... "
Ok its not about knowing the specifics, I understand you there, but it is about the "theory" standing up to scientifc standards that it can't and yes there is a difference between the Evoltion we are speaking of and adaption, I can move to the desert and adapt by not drinking so much water, and only doing so when I need to, If I were to evolve I would develope a way not to need water. "lamens turms"
"You make comments all the time that make me laugh....I like the one about Einstien.....nice....."
As well as you, epescially the ones where you get up and proclaim another problem "you" have found with the Bible, and then when it is explained "not saying them all, don't get your panties in a bunch" you wiggle out of them and attack the person who answeres your question. And what was the Einstein quote or paraphraze that you thought was so funny? Look if you want to have a debate , cool, but don't go flying off the handle because you don't like the response that you get. If you don't like being called imature, than dont act "like" it, ok , you are right I should of not called you imature, I should have said you were acting imature. Its up to you to continue,