Obama Protesters = Patriots with Guns, Bush Protesters = Criminals with T-Shirts

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


I was referring to her saying that dissent is patriotic back in 2006. I apologize I didnt make that clear enough earlier.



Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.



So the same behavior from 2006 is here again, and now she says its bad?

EDIT: FIXED Link



[edit on 8/20/2009 by GenRadek]

Oh. Okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by GenRadek
Now its wrong because Obama is here? So dissent is no longer allowed with the "Messiah?" I'm confused.

So, then, who is saying that dissent is no longer allowed? Got a link?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


No problem!

What I was gettin at is how Pelosi is claiming that the protesters of the health care are wearing swastikas and such. How can she do that? I didnt see any swastikas being put on. That is what got my goat with that generalization of protesters. Likening them to nazis? They are behaving the same way protesters behaved towards Bush. And now that is bad behavior? Shouting down the opposition voices and causing disruptions during debates, she applauded this behavior when it was against Bush. Now she is saying there re swastikas and nazis behavior from the protesters?

[edit on 8/20/2009 by GenRadek]

Originally posted by GenRadek

Great video! It's very telling how supportive she was of one group but critical of another especially when both crowds had the same fervor for their respected causes but with different expressions.

Originally posted by GenRadek
What I was gettin at is how Pelosi is claiming that the protesters of the health care are wearing swastikas and such.

Source

She didn't say "wearing swastikas", she said "carrying swastikas". Because they were. She didn't liken them to Nazis, she said they're carrying swastikas. She made an observation.

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I can't stand Nancy Pelosi, myself, but I do think she's being taken out of context here. Too many times, people DECIDE what someone else means before really knowing. Nancy Pelosi is a hypocrite. I agree with that. But perhaps to her, carrying swastikas is a scary thing. She did say, "You decide".

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
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But show up at an Obama protest packing a loaded automatic rifle and you get respect and even your 15 minutes of fame. No arrests, no hassle, no disrespect or stepping on the Second Amendment by Obama or his Secret Service.

That's the kind of change I like!

Perhaps you haven't noticed but the man with the rifle did not cross past the police line, meanwhile the "T-shirt protesters" did cross police lines.

If the man carrying an Ar-15 crossed the police line and went towards President Obama you can be sure he would have been arrested just like the "T-Shirt" protesters...

Do you really like the CHANGE?

The CHANGE that gave power to the Corporation by H.R. 1388, and gave power to INDOCTRINATE American children and even professors to the party line, and gave power to this same CORPORATION over the voluntary and mandatory Community Service?...

Do you like the CHANGE that put us more than twice in debt since the Bush administration in only a few months, and in this administration over $9 TRILLION DOLLARS wee lost into a BLACK HOLE?...

Do you like the CHANGE in which President Obama told CEOS from PRIVATE COMPANIES that they should resign, or they should be fired, and this same president ORDERED what sort of cars and trucks PRIVATE COMPANIES should build?

Do you like the CHANGE in which Janet Napolitano and the DHS labeled almost EVERY AMERICAN as a POSSIBLE TERRORIST for just being a returning veteran, an advocate of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights of the United States, if you want to defend the Second Amendment, or if you fear a One World Government, or if you fear COMMUNISM. is that the sort of CHANGE you like?...

Do you like the CHANGE in which this president who said President Bush should have never been above the law and then President OBAMA stated that we need to find a way to make it legal to detain people indefineteldy if they were "POSSIBLE TERRORISTS"?...

Do you like the CHANGE in which Rahm Emmanuel, the Chief of Staff of President Obama said in an interview that if you were a "POSSIBLE TERRORIST" you should not have guns?....

Is this the sort of CHANGE you like?...

And obviously making exagerations like you just did gives you the opportunity to LOVE this CHANGE?.....




[edit on 20-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Perhaps you haven't noticed but the man with the rifle did not cross past the police line, meanwhile the "T-shirt protesters" did cross police lines.

No. They didn't cross any line. They were AT a function. You didn't read the links, did you?

Do you really like the CHANGE?

For the most part, yes, I do. Not everything, but yes. It's definitely a change for the better.

And obviously making exagerations like you just did gives you the opportunity to LOVE this CHANGE?.....

What exaggerations did I make?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

No. They didn't cross any line. They were AT a function. You didn't read the links, did you?

I saw the videos, one thing is to say something and being interviewed, another thing is to see what people do.

Those arrested were arrested for trying to cross police lines and getting agitated in front of the police, or for crossing police lines. Even in the video that you gave those people are not arrested they are asked to go to the back and a police officer talks to them, but no arrest is seen.

Granted there were several cases in which police shouldn't have arrested people, but you are exagerating...

What exaggerations did I make?

This is what happened to Bush protesters, like it happens with Obama protesters...

Nearly 40 people were arrested on Sunday as they tried to enter the University of Notre Dame to protest President Barack Obama's appearance at commencement, police said.

At least 39 people were taken into custody on trespassing charges, police Sgt Bill Redman said. Among those arrested were Norma McCorvey, the plaintiff identified as "Roe" in the landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision that legalised abortion. She now opposes abortion.

ibnlive.in.com...

So believe all you want in your CHANGE, but your CHANGE has been the worse CHANGES the United States of America has ever seen....





[edit on 20-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


I'm not going to argue with you. Everything you are saying has already been refuted in this thread. Sorry you came so late to the party.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

I'm not going to argue with you. Everything you are saying has already been refuted in this thread. Sorry you came so late to the party.

Really? what i have read i can see the contrary, even another member posted the same information I posted. Sorry to bump into your "Obama Messiah thread, and everyone who disagrees is evil" rhetoric....

Your CHANGE hasn't been good at all, and everything i have said has been CORROBORATED with facts, links to documents and even speeches of Obama, and others in his administration sorry to ruin your "messiah party"...

This is another video of what happens to protesters of the healthcare reform...despite the exagerations of some members...

videos.stltoday.com...

Some other examples, but in this case the protesters were a bit too vocal, and were seen to "riot".

ABC News' Raelyn Johnson Reports: While Sen. Ted Kennedy and Michelle Obama were the stars in Denver Monday evening, several hundred protesters gathered in downtown Denver seeking a spotlight of their own.

Gathered at the intersection of Cleveland Place and 15th street, self described anarchists vocalized their opinions on an array of issues, from the Iraq war, to the heavy police presence in the city.

A small riot broke out near the civic center, forcing police to pepper spray and arrest some participants.

“The people united, will never be defeated,” protestors sang to a choir of several hundred officers, equipped for riot control.

“I’m protesting for peace,” said one woman, who was offended by the strong showing of force by authorities.

Two bus loads of people were taken into custody.

blogs.abcnews.com...

So because the protesters were shouting "The people united, will never be defeated' they were pepper sprayed and arrested for demonstrating, and they were arrested for protesting during a DNC speehc by Michelle Obama, and Ted Kennedy...

Despite the exagerations, and even the lies of Heretic, since now she claims that what some other members and I have stated has been refuted, the fact is that both administrations have arrested people for the same things. Foir being too vocal, for breaking police lines, or screaming at officers, etc, etc.

The man with the rifle, had his rifle shouldered, and the state in which this happened THIS IS LEGAL. Now if this was done in some other states where there are strict firearm regulations or even bans, the man, and the other protesters who ahd firearms would have been arrested..

Phoenix police said authorities monitored about a dozen people carrying weapons while peacefully demonstrating.

"It was a group interested in exercising the right to bear arms," police spokesman Sgt. Andy Hill said.

Arizona law has nothing in the books regulating assault rifles, and only requires permits for carrying concealed weapons. So despite the man's proximity to the president, there were no charges or arrests to be made. Hill said officers explained the law to some people who were upset about the presence of weapons at the protest. Watch the rifle being legally carried at rally »

"I come from another state where 'open carry' is legal, but no one does it, so the police don't really know about it and they harass people, arrest people falsely," the man, who wasn't identified, said in an interview aired by CNN affiliate KNVX. "I think that people need to get out and do it more so that they get kind of conditioned to it."

Gun-toting protesters have demonstrated around the president before. Last week, a man protesting outside Obama's town hall meeting in New Hampshire had a gun strapped to his thigh. That state also doesn't require a license for open carry.

www.cnn.com...

Nice try for Heretic to try to use this in favor of the Obama administration....

But hey keep cheering for CHANGE, meanwhile the country is being destroyed, and Socialist dictatorial laws keep being passed...soon enough the Obama administration will try once again to either heavily restrict or even ban firearms, and then the Obama supporters will continue cheering BLINDLY like they have done since the beginning...



[edit on 20-8-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by ravenshadow13
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It just makes me nervous. The type of people who take rifles to Obama rallies are the bad crazy type, IMO.

Those Americans are not as crazy as some others who want to abolish the Second Amendment, or the right of ALL Americans to own and bear arms, and these other Americans want to ban the liberties of all other Americans because of their FEELINGS.

To Bush's defense those shirts where a direct threat to his self confidence. I think we should all get together with fully loaded AR-15's and go otuside Bush's house.

It's not like the last administration got us into two wars, which caused the deaths of thousands of Americans (United States), lied to the UN, and caused an economic crisi-----... Oh wait.....IT'S OBAMA'S FAULT!!!!!

[edit on 20-8-2009 by FantasmaTaans]

Originally posted by thebeet
PLenty have been arrested at Obama rallies. Here is just one example it took me 5 secs to find. If the OP would put forth more effort b4 you post more BS propaganda.

39 Arrested at Obama Rally

Trespassing not a crime in your area?

Originally posted by thebeet
PLenty have been arrested at Obama rallies. Here is just one example it took me 5 secs to find. If the OP would put forth more effort b4 you post more BS propaganda.

39 Arrested at Obama Rally

In this example they were arrested for trespassing on Notre Dame property. Notre Dame is a private university.

Arrested for trespassing on private property vs. protesting on public property.

See the distinction?

Here let me put it in GOP terms for you...Trespassing is like the scenario you guys always talk about where a man walks into your home for some reason and you get to legitimately shoot him to protect your family.

Legitimate protesting is any gathering of shouting folks who support the general far right agenda.


[edit on 21-8-2009 by maybereal11]

reply to post by ElectricUniverse

NO ONE is going to take away your precious second amendment rights...they aren't even trying.

The only ones who claim that they are are gullible people who actually believe the misinformation that the NRA and the GOP send out to drum up support and contributions.

Get it through your head it ain't gonna happen. The 2nd amendment isn't called an amendment for nothing...

In case you were sound asleep during civics class:

The United States Constitution is unusually difficult to amend. As spelled out in Article V, the Constitution can be amended in one of two ways. First, amendment can take place by a vote of two-thirds of both the House of Representatives and the Senate followed by a ratification of three-fourths of the various state legislatures (ratification by thirty-eight states would be required to ratify an amendment today). This first method of amendment is the only one used to date. Second, the Constitution might be amended by a Convention called for this purpose by two-thirds of the state legislatures, if the Convention's proposed amendments are later ratified by three-fourths of the state legislatures.

Because any amendment can be blocked by a mere thirteen states withholding approval (in either of their two houses), amendments don't come easy. In fact, only 27 amendments have been ratified since the Constitution became effective, and ten of those ratifications occurred almost immediately--as the Bill of Rights.

www.law.umkc.edu...

It ain't gonna happen and requiring waiting periods...requiring background checks or restricting who can own a gun legally (like felons are forbidden to) is not the same thing no matter what the NRA says.

Geezzz....I sometimes think I am talking to children.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Some other examples, but in this case the protesters were a bit too vocal, and were seen to "riot".

ABC News' Raelyn Johnson Reports: While Sen. Ted Kennedy and Michelle Obama were the stars in Denver Monday evening, several hundred protesters gathered in downtown Denver seeking a spotlight of their own.

Gathered at the intersection of Cleveland Place and 15th street, self described anarchists vocalized their opinions on an array of issues, from the Iraq war, to the heavy police presence in the city.

A small riot broke out near the civic center, forcing police to pepper spray and arrest some participants.

Just curious given the context you are citing this in...do you know what an anarchist is? They are more along the lines of "Fight Club" than "Ghandi.


[edit on 21-8-2009 by maybereal11]

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Do you like the CHANGE in which President Obama told CEOS from PRIVATE COMPANIES that they should resign, or they should be fired, and this same president ORDERED what sort of cars and trucks PRIVATE COMPANIES should build?

You really are willfully blind. The "private" nature of these companies vanished the very second the Lear jets of these CEOs touched down in Washington DC, when these FAILED managers, who kept collecting handsome bonuses while running their companies into the ground, came BEGGING to be rescued.

Hell yeah, I'm the tax payer and if Obama decided that the country has to have a stake in GM and others by financing, stock etc, then he surely has a say in what they do and how, and which officers should be fired.

reply to post by buddhasystem

I agree whole heartedly...

If the USA is going to bail out mismanaged corporations to the tune of billions then we'd damned well better have a say in how they are run.

To think otherwise is idiotic.

IN fact my only serious problem with how Obama has been running things (besides their mishandling of the health care debate...they should have started the drumbeat loud and early and not given the opposition a chance to get their bearings) is their handling of the bank bailouts...

He should fire Giethner and give those bank ceo's balls a tight squeeze or pointedly let a few of the biggest and worst like Bank of America fail.

Just to send a message.

[edit on 21-8-2009 by grover]