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Originally posted by TgSoe
I think I'm starting to get it now. Its all about the double headed eagle, Masons have to sides one they show the public and one they show initiates. They cover thier tracks by pretending to be good upstanding Christians, doing good works and sponsoring charities.
Originally posted by Undomiel
I read copious amounts of information such as how the order had formed originally. What the symbols meant. What the code languages were for. Then the natural progression became apparent. They had been driven underground by religious persecution from the catholic church government of the time. In an effort to provide people of various religious or non-religious creeds safe haven, they had adapted a sort of hodge podge underground system with codes and secret handshakes so that they might be better able to find each other and give each other asylum.
Originally posted by Undomiel
It reminds me of atheism of a sort, while it encompasses a definition of God that is universally transcribable, it also rejects Him on the premise that He is Nature itself.
Originally posted by Undomiel
Err, something like that. Maybe that's freemasonry's big secret? That when all's said and done, masons believe and teach the message of the serpent in the garden, that we can be like gods through the manipulation of the physical realm via science, math and techonology? Perhaps this is also why you see the gradual phasing out of "religion" in its purest sense as it requires more than can be defined in the finite terms of the atheist world view. I could see how such a message would lead one to believe freemasonry was "Satanic" in origin, as their God would be the finite god of the physical realm, rather than the infinite God of the spiritual realm. If'n that makes any sense.
Originally posted by Undomiel
Well my definitions are not based on catholicism. I'm a protestant.
Originally posted by Undomiel
Ah, see now this is good clarification. So how does freemasonry stand on the premise that the "Sons of God" civlized humanity in a way that was not acceptable by God through the introduction of magic, science, math, language, and so on?
Originally posted by Leveller
Originally posted by Undomiel
Freemasonry does not teach you that, as a human, you are a god. A mason recognises that he is one of God's creations and as such is subordinate to Him.
What Freemasonry teaches, if it has anything to say on this topic, is that the physical world was created by the spiritual, and so by studying nature we can move towards a greater understanding of the Majesty of God (because the more we study nature, the more we realise how great its creator must be).