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reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 10:54 PM by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by anonymouse11


The scenario that you laid out would be one where there wouldn't be too many people.

I'm thinking in that case the PTB wouldn't worry about you too much. They'd have other things way more important to do other than chase down someone

hiding in the woods. They might send a patrol into the area looking for survivors, but they'd do that everywhere. I'd be more worried about dealing

with the regular patrols. Military BDU's have somekind of FLIR tech. stuff built
into them; as their FLIR signature is small.

star, and flag for the entertainment.


reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:07 PM by dooper
reply to post by anonymouse11


First off, if they go picking off Americans who somehow are rebelling, they're going to need about fifty million hellfires, and that's going to be a significant logistical problem.

The FLIR is only a tool, and like all tools, they have capabilities, just like they have limitations.

Don't pay too much attention to the UTube videos of those FLIR strikes. Those are few and far between.

Besides, with a basic wicker door mat, insulation, or thermal barriers, you can circumvent any FLIR system.

I have a FLIR system, and they have more limitations than capabliities.

Don't worry about the helicopters or Predators. They have to be stationed SOMEWHERE.

This isn't a country of backward-assed tribesmen, and those Taliban and Al-Queda fighters? You want to see some intelligent berserkers - just piss off the typical American male.

You'll learn a whole new definition of revenge.



reply posted on 10-8-2009 @ 11:42 PM by audas
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by anonymouse11


First off, if they go picking off Americans who somehow are rebelling, they're going to need about fifty million hellfires, and that's going to be a significant logistical problem.

The FLIR is only a tool, and like all tools, they have capabilities, just like they have limitations.

Don't pay too much attention to the UTube videos of those FLIR strikes. Those are few and far between.

Besides, with a basic wicker door mat, insulation, or thermal barriers, you can circumvent any FLIR system.

I have a FLIR system, and they have more limitations than capabliities.

Don't worry about the helicopters or Predators. They have to be stationed SOMEWHERE.

This isn't a country of backward-assed tribesmen, and those Taliban and Al-Queda fighters? You want to see some intelligent berserkers - just piss off the typical American male.

You'll learn a whole new definition of revenge.


Sorry to burst your bubble here champ - but the Afghanistan militants you are talking about have been fighting the worlds greatest super powers on and off for thirty odd years - and no one has beaten them. Further the US has now declared along with the US that they intend to negotiate with the Taliban -as there are now good and bad ones ?!! Meaning - you have lost here as well. How many times as your average American citizen come up against US tech - NEVER - so on the whole a blatantly stupid comparison.

As for your comments about Infra-red and night vision - you have no idea - please read Wired For War by Peter Singer and then come back and tell me you have a FLIR, and that they are easily overcome - seriously ridiculous appraisal of modern US tech - very poor.

To give you an insight into what is being used RIGHT NOW there are AI (artificial intelligence) loitering craft (can stay up for months) are able to see through CLOUD AND DUST STORMS are able to intelligently identify ground weapons ranging from tanks down to medium sized arms, are able intelligently and autonomously TRACK these weapons including using the tracks left behind - FACT -

The robotic warfare of the US is so far advanced beyond what you have put forward in your post it is simply stunning the level of ignorance - sorry to be harsh - try not to be so authoritative about issues you do not understand.

Heres a tip - the worlds most busiest airspace is above Baghdad - and the vast majority of these are robots.

When the second Gulf war started there were less than 15 robots engaged - today there well over 120,000 of them in the two major spheres of operation.

It is considered that humans will be entirely "out of the loop" as it is termed by 2020 including fully autonomous infantry robots.

Again - here is a link to the work of the worlds foremost authority on this issue :

wiredforwar.pwsinger.com...

Please read it and then get back to this thread and we can continue the thread.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 02:39 AM by ANNED
The best way not to be spotted by FLIR is to wear a foil type survival suit.
www.armedforces.co.uk...

These trap body heat and hold it and give a lot smaller heat signature.

Some of these suits come with a foil side and a camo side.

With these suits you can leave your head and hands uncovered as they will just look like small animals.


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 03:07 AM by anonymouse11
Originally posted by Voxel
Originally posted by anonymouse11
Usually chopper is 2-2.5 miles away and would shoot you based on your thermal signature and you wont even see it coming let alone try to hide your thermal image.


If a chopper is fueled, armed, and in the air, you have already lost.

Choppers have a pretty crappy range. In the US there are a limited number of places for a military chopper to be maintained and those should be easily overrun and put under the control of the civilian populations that surround them.

Face it, your best chance for survival isn't finding better ways to run away and hide but to find better ways to dismantle your enemy's ability to project power.

Jon

[edit on 8.11.2009 by Voxel]



yes yes I get it, but lets say that is impossible or the opportunity has been lost to disable 100% of the airforce Plan B !! then how do you avoid getting killed by helicopters who can see u and hit you and you wont even see it coming

and question is :

Usually chopper is 2-2.5 miles away and would shoot you based on your thermal signature and you wont even see it coming let alone try to hide your thermal image. Before Radar they had these huge acoustic mirrors to try to detect incoming planes based on the noise their engine makes, but they are not portable and easily visually detectable. www.andrewgrantham.co.uk... Do you think those inexpensive portable homemade parabolic mics, perhaps with an amplifier be able to pick up the buzz of a choppers engine to alert you that a chopper is near so you can take counter measures????


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 07:01 AM by Taikonaut
Originally posted by anonymouse11
Do you think those inexpensive portable homemade parabolic mics, perhaps with an amplifier be able to pick up the buzz of a choppers engine to alert you that a chopper is near so you can take counter measures????


I remember reading about a nifty trick used by the VC in the Cu Chi tunnel complexes..

Whilst not a portable solution, one method of both sheltering underground and detecting the sound of incoming aircraft was to create a conical shelter chamber underground. The conical design apparently amplified the sound of engines above enabling those sheltering to hear when there was an enemy plane overhead

A portable heat-sink-hide may be an alternative to avoid Thermal Imager detection..

This could be a large tarp with a long flexible plastic hose-line that has been sewn to the sheet in a spiralling pattern with the centre having a foot or two of free hose, and the end of the spiral trailing out a foot or two from the edge and away

A small RV-type portable CO2 fire extinguisher could then be attached at the centre-point of the hose spiral, climb underneath the blanket with the fire extinguisher, connect the outlet nozzle to the hose and slowly release bursts of the gas.

As the gas expands and travels along the length of the hose, it will expand and absorb your body heat and eventually vent the warmed gas out of the free end at the edge of the tarp

..just an inventive idea

[edit on 11-8-2009 by Taikonaut]


reply posted on 11-8-2009 @ 11:56 AM by Asktheanimals
Originally posted by ANNED
The best way not to be spotted by FLIR is to wear a foil type survival suit.
www.armedforces.co.uk...

These trap body heat and hold it and give a lot smaller heat signature.

Some of these suits come with a foil side and a camo side.

With these suits you can leave your head and hands uncovered as they will just look like small animals.



Anned is right but I will give you a cheaper, easier
alternative. Buy yourself some of those cheap
aluminized survival blankets. Find a low spot in the
ground, cover yourself with the shiny side down. Then
you must cover the blanket with leaves, dirt and moss.

A few small holes in the blanket will just look like a group of
birds to the FLIR operator.

If you don't make holes any heat will escape around
the edge in a square pattern that will give you away.

Also, for visual camouflague those big nets can work
but you must not stretch it out and make a rectangular
shape.

I am writing an article on camo now for ATS and
will be starting a new thread in the survival section soon.
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