Refusing vaccination labels you a “criminal”, so says WHO, page 2


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reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 08:53 AM by romanmel
reply to post by schrodingers dog


I would postulate, how many guns does the WHO have? And then, how many guns do the patriotic fellowship, that used to be called citizens of the USA (now known as Obamanation) have? Nuf said?



reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 08:59 AM by Inannamute
I was thinking about all of this earlier. Please note, this is a hypothetical mental exercise. It is not what I necessarily believe, nor do I not believe. I have no evidence for this idea other than a basic background in the subject.

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If you were looking to destroy a significant proportion of the population of a particular place, to reduce the number of people, you would have two basic methods by which you could achieve this aim. The one everyone thinks about - killing lots of people. Very visible, very obvious, very difficult to contain, because violence is generally received with violence.

The second option is to reduce the number of people being born. If you sterilize a population, over time, you would drastically reduce population without ever having to actually kill someone.

So say you invent a drug of some kind that either sterilizes, or perhaps causes so many complications in pregnancy that babies abort themselves. You have perhaps some believe in eugenics. You decide that first of all, you're going to target all groups with say preexisting medical conditions. You only want the strong to survive, after all. Get all of those people out of the gene pool for starters.

Then you take on children, and pregnant women. Those most likely to breed in the future, and those currently breeding. After that, you hit the next group up in terms of potential future offspring - 19-24 year olds. Sure, some may already have children, but a lot won't, yet.

After that, just to be sure, you hit everyone between 24-65. You assume that over 65's aren't really breeding, so don't worry about them too much.

Maybe you leave some people out, but you basically make it a crime not to submit to this substance, and tell everyone it's for their own good.. protecting them from some pandemic or other.

While I don't believe this is actually the current case, since I think that it'd be relatively difficult in terms of current medical capabilities to do a mass sterilization by a "vaccination" shot, a scenario like this does highlight the idea that mandatory vaccinations, a law that you MUST be vaccinated has the potential for abuse. Would some sinister and dark people in power do something like this? Maybe. There have been things like this in the world before, though on smaller scales. There are many arguments for a world with fewer people, and a lighter load on our environment. There are plenty of people that believe in say, specific races being superior to others.

Vaccines can be a great thing, of course. But a vaccine rushed to market, forced upon people before it's been properly tested, forced on people who've never before needed a flu vaccine to avoid the virus ( I know I haven't ever needed it, and I work with literally hundreds of people a week ), well a vaccine like that, I'm dubious about. Especially considering the fact that worldwide, according to the latest figures from the WHO, only 1154 people have died, (
www.who.int...)

Sure, that's sad. But so is the fact that
Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes--one child every five seconds.


So that's 1154 people since the start of this pandemic, versus sixteen thousand CHILDREN a day. That's not counting all the adults that die from hunger, or hunger related causes.

Now, this vaccine, maybe it'll save some lives, but we don't know that. It could also have adverse effects. But all that money being pumped into a questionable vaccine could go towards feeding people. A very, very, VERY effective way of saving thousands of lives a day. 250 people a month died from swine flu since the first reported case mid march. Almost half a million died from hunger related causes in those same months, worldwide.

Of course, big pharm doesn't profit from food.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 09:04 AM by A Fortiori
Originally posted by huntergatherer
reply to
post by schrodingers dog



Like the smoke coming out of your avatar I feel we again are being manipulated to believe something that is not really there.

much respect for your material since joining

this all smells like smoke.........without fire


It will happen IF they think the people are ready for it.

What about any of this seems like "smoke"? Name one government or empire that did not got bad, or runaway with power. They all do eventually, and technology has given governments the tools to become efficiently malicious if they choose. I'm not saying we're there yet, but I want to put the breaks on now to help the little hobbits holding onto the ring stay nice little hobbits and not turn bad.

We're helping them by pushing back. You don't want our politicians to turn into bad people do you? I don't. I want the world to be a nice place to live in. I want them to keep their souls. So by criticizing the government and pointing out where they have the potential to go crazy is just being a good friend.



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reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 09:31 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by EnlightenUp





Usually I'm not too paranoid but this is passed my threshold, at least until I find out it's some sort of hoax or something.


This is not a hoax. Farmers have too much to worry about right now to run a hoax. Besides I am familiar with this person (via e-mails) and she is a straight shooter.

Farmers have been researching the World Trade Organization, and the UN for several years now. Ever since the WTO tried to ram Animal ID (and veggie ID) down our throats. The USDA has accused farmers of being disinformation agents from the get go, so they have been very careful about documentation. It is amazing how fast interesting material disappears from the internet or gets changed without a date stamp change. Several farmer websites keep a copy of the original posted. It drives the USDA nuts.

One farmer even had his home broken into and his computer trashed by the USDA. They were not aware that he knew he was being watched and saw them. The local police responded to the reported break in with "you should do as the USDA is telling you to do" (RFID tag his cows -he had a religious objection and was waiting to go to trial. He lost all his law research)

So no it is not a hoax but there is a good chance the original information has been removed from the internet making it impossible to research.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 10:10 AM by crimvelvet
reply to post by Inannamute





Of course, big pharm doesn't profit from food.


WRONG, Big pharm is getting into food in a big way and driving out independent farmers. Checkout MONSANTO



In the quest to eliminate competition and increase their ability to dictate prices, corporations bought up railroads, shipping lines, packing facilities, even supermarkets and banks at staggering rates. For example by 1986 Cargill, Continental, Louis Dreyfus, André and Bunge, all privately owned by seven families, controlled 85-90 percent of global grain trade. Source


I strongly suggest you read this article because the situation with vaccines is very similar. A signed treaty with guarantees for the supremacy of US law, followed by "we signed the treaty so we have to go along with the rules." spouted by FDA and the USDA. That is why farmers view this with vaccine mess with alarm. We have been fighting the UN's OIE and the WTO Agreement on Agriculture for several years. We have seen all the dirty tricks, from outright lies to raids and harassment. Multinational corporations want to do away with national borders. They interfere with business so of course the multinationals will all support the WHO


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 10:33 AM by toast317
reply to post by kozmo



Glad to see that im not the only one willing to fight till I can't anymore for reusing to get this shot.

Unfortunately for me though I am only in high school, and chances are that the school is going to make sure all students have the vaccine, or their out.
So looks like getting a job in the future (if there are even jobs at that point) will be very difficult. Cause I rather drop out and fight then to give in to this vaccine.

I just feel that everyone will be thinking of me as some crazy conspiracy theorist, who is afraid to take a little shot, then a true patriot. But I am willing to risk that, no way am I letting them give me the shot...alive atleast



reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 10:55 AM by googolplex
reply to post by toast317


Yes I fought not to make my daughter, but lost in the in end, at that time could have beat them, if had been smarter.

I 'm not really into revenge, or touture, but when this is over and we find out who the Nazi , Commi was behind this.
We should Clone them so we could torture and kill them about 100 time over.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:10 AM by googolplex
reply to post by SassyCat


Yea right, this is going to be selective elemination, those that live will be the rebels.
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