Refusing vaccination labels you a “criminal”, so says WHO, page 3
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reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:23 AM by bobs_uruncle
reply to post by schrodingers dog


This stinks of a Hegelian manipulation (Hegel Dialectic) coupled with the Delphi Technique of consensus driven "law making." In any Hegelian manipulation a "problem" is created or an existing usable "problem" is amplified (given a great deal of media attention in any event) to force the issue of some solution that causes a paradigm shift in politics, capital, power or perception. The "problem" is created or amplified by the same people who will offer the "final solution." In this case, Thesis is the orchestrated "pandemic" which has been given far too much media attention and hype. Anti-Thesis is the vaccination process which hands over control to a third party (WHO). The vaccine being rushed out with dangerous adjuncts in the serum seems to indicate that the Synthesis product of Thesis and Anti-Thesis will be a shift of capital and power to TPTB through the death of vaccine users and or debilitating disease, thus trimming the human herd by maybe a billion or two, an engineered culling if you will. Criminalization of a refusal to take the vaccine is totalitarian and since the entire situation appears to be engineered reinforces rational concerns that something is seriously amiss with our governments and the process of event control.

The Hegelian Principle have been used so many times in the past with great success, why not now as well? Is it time to lock and load yet, maybe kick the tires and light the fires?

Cheers - Bob

[edit on 8-8-2009 by bobs_uruncle]


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:25 AM by soficrow
reply to post by schrodingers dog


S&F. But...

It was well known and discussed back in 2003 that a new pandemic was coming, and that industrial factory farming and global trade would play a major role in creating pandemic disease.

However, also back around 2003, TPTB decided to "protect the economy" instead of public health - to let the pandemic happen and deal with the fallout instead of working on prevention. FYI - TPTB are the guys who fund the WHO.

The main decision taken was to NOT quarantine factory farm animals for prevention, but to let a pandemic happen and quarantine people instead.

"Developed" nations started drafting pandemic-quarantine legislation back in 2003; the laws were passed locally and nationally starting around 2005.

Here are a few of my rants on the topic, with links to the relevant legislation in the US and Manitoba:



" ...they're gonna quarantine the people - instead of preventing epidemics by cleaning up the environment, quarantining animals, and regulating industrial pollution. It's the corporate solution.


2005: The Quarantine Solution

2005: Bush Signs Quarantine Orders for Bird Flu

2005: Quarantine: A Standard Depopulation Strategy

2007: Quarantine Until Death: The Pandemic Policy Now on Trial in the Court of Public Opinion


Also see: Identify a 'Flu Buddy.' Pair Up to Help 'Vulnerable' During Pandemic.



reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:36 AM by paradigm619
reply to post by romanmel


Well in that case... this is all a bunch of BS.

Let's all get in line for a flu shot.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:49 AM by romanmel
Originally posted by paradigm619
reply to post by romanmel


Well in that case... this is all a bunch of BS.

Let's all get in line for a flu shot.


OK...you go first, and if after 6 months you are still around...
second line goes here.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 11:51 AM by daddio
Originally posted by Inannamute
I was thinking about all of this earlier. Please note, this is a hypothetical mental exercise. It is not what I necessarily believe, nor do I not believe. I have no evidence for this idea other than a basic background in the subject.

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The second option is to reduce the number of people being born. If you sterilize a population, over time, you would drastically reduce population without ever having to actually kill someone.

So say you invent a drug of some kind that either sterilizes, or perhaps causes so many complications in pregnancy that babies abort themselves. You have perhaps some believe in eugenics. You decide that first of all, you're going to target all groups with say preexisting medical conditions. You only want the strong to survive, after all. Get all of those people out of the gene pool for starters.

Then you take on children, and pregnant women. Those most likely to breed in the future, and those currently breeding. After that, you hit the next group up in terms of potential future offspring - 19-24 year olds. Sure, some may already have children, but a lot won't, yet.




Vaccines can be a great thing, of course. But a vaccine rushed to market, forced upon people before it's been properly tested, forced on people who've never before needed a flu vaccine to avoid the virus ( I know I haven't ever needed it, and I work with literally hundreds of people a week ), well a vaccine like that, I'm dubious about. Especially considering the fact that worldwide, according to the latest figures from the WHO, only 1154 people have died, (www.who.int...)



Now, this vaccine, maybe it'll save some lives, but we don't know that. It could also have adverse effects. But all that money being pumped into a questionable vaccine could go towards feeding people. A very, very, VERY effective way of saving thousands of lives a day. 250 people a month died from swine flu since the first reported case mid march. Almost half a million died from hunger related causes in those same months, worldwide.

Of course, big pharm doesn't profit from food.



I am not going to ask if your are nuts, but.. Have you not seen the ads on television for the "Cervical Cancer" vaccinations? For young girls so they won't develop cervical cancer. Are they insane? This is the sterilization you were "wondering" about. What don't you get here?

Vaccinations are a good thing? First off, there has NEVER EVER been a need for ANY vaccination. ALL vaccinations CAUSE disease, they DO NOT prevent it. Nature has a very ingenius way of stabilizing and healing the body if one has the right nutrition.

You know it's a sad world when people do not pay attention to ALL that surrounds them. Maybe some of us have studied the cryptocrats and megalomaniacs so long and thoroughly that we understand what they are doing and what the endgame is. But I would hope that more of you would "get it" or get a clue and research and re-research.

And Big Pharm doesn't profit from food? WHo the h#ll do you think owns all the corporate farms that are growing the genetically modified fruits and vegetables? Not to mention the 28 day chickens and tainted beef?

Pay attention. I know it's hard, and I am broke too, so I can't afford to pay attention sometimes, but do what you can to educate yourself.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 12:04 PM by crimvelvet
Is it for real??
Marti said in the comments section

As for the declaration…….it was contained in the minutes of the 2005 meeting of WHO and has now been “disappeared”


Another commenter went to his " House Rep, the CDC and HHS Dept. in DC and was told by HHS that it appeared that this doc is not available (they couldn’t access it either)..."


Rancher says: August 3, 2009 at 9:43 am The document that Bush signed in Nov 2005 is called the “International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza”. This doc supposedly has the wording about dissolving our government during a pandemic, etc. Copies of this doc are not available. I called my House Rep, the CDC and HHS Dept. in DC and was told by HHS that it appeared that this doc is not available (they couldn’t access it either). I like Marti’s idea of, since we can’t see the doc and so have to rely on rumors about its content, then prove to us that the rumors are wrong. I think I’ll give my Senator a call right now! (although I believe they will say that they can’t see this doc either)


Now a document (not necessarily THE document) appears on the internet and Marti and Rancher look like liars. This is not the first time these tactics of the disappearing/changing document has occurred.

During the Farmers fight against NAIS I saw this happen many times before. Internet copies of information are much easier to change than paper copies. A very useful weapon for the elite.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 02:57 PM by SpartanKingLeonidas
reply to post by schrodingers dog


Yes, SD, this is typical United Nations rhetoric and nonsense.

That they can declare you a criminal because you refuse a shot is insane.

This is just as stupid as F.D.R. making owning gold illegal during the Depression.

It is just a way to make sure less and less people argue with them, especially when they are on a countries soil that does not want them there to begin with. So, if it is against your religion, you become a criminal for refusing a vaccination.

Remember all the nonesense in Mexico about "Swine Flu" and W.H.O. being on both the Mexican and American borders?

Alex Jones Thinks "Swine Flu" Is Mass Conditioning For F.E.M.A. Camps and the United Nations?

Whether you agree with Alex Jones or think he's full of hot air, one thing most American's do not understand is that when W.H.O. steps in, they are there representing the United Nations, and when the U.N. gets involved the local laws are not as important as those of the international community.

A conveniant way to bypass laws that we have to protect us against tyranny, if you ask me...



reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 05:23 PM by googolplex
reply to post by bobs_uruncle
There was another thread on ATS that had Russian ExKGB explain
the whole setup, and how the U.S. was headed towards Marxist state, socialism.
Anyhow from what he said we have already been set up for thrid stage of trap, this when they give us a great disaster to take over control of the sheeple, which is most likely, this put -up flue thing.
The forth stage is when again they turn the sheeple, by making them think they are now going to help and restore what they caused to begin with, in the interim they have succeeded in removing the rest of our rights and taken more control.

Notice in Zeltergiest there are not many people around, they don't need people anylonger they have computer operated machines, they just need more police to control the few that will be left.


[edit on 8-8-2009 by googolplex]


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 05:26 PM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by EnlightenUp

This is not a hoax. Farmers have too much to worry about right now to run a hoax. Besides I am familiar with this person (via e-mails) and she is a straight shooter.


I am not familar with this person nor am I familiar with you. She is telling people to prove the particular claims are wrong and prove the information never existed. How the hell could anyone do that? If it did or did not exist then the only thing anyone could do it deny it which would automaticaly be touted as disinformation in either case. I cannot imagine it hard to produce the original material in some form, because with the gravity of what it supposedly says, that it wouldn't have been spread far and wide.

Farmers have been researching the World Trade Organization, and the UN for several years now. Ever since the WTO tried to ram Animal ID (and veggie ID) down our throats. The USDA has accused farmers of being disinformation agents from the get go, so they have been very careful about documentation.


How did we jump to this? Ah, comparison to establish character? Yeah, they're shady characters no doubt. Doesn't imply anything about the content or existence of the alleged WHO minutes themselves.

It is amazing how fast interesting material disappears from the internet or gets changed without a date stamp change. Several farmer websites keep a copy of the original posted. It drives the USDA nuts.


Copy of what original? The minutes referred to in the post or something referring to Animal/Veggie ID?

One farmer even had his home broken into and his computer trashed by the USDA. They were not aware that he knew he was being watched and saw them. The local police responded to the reported break in with "you should do as the USDA is telling you to do" (RFID tag his cows -he had a religious objection and was waiting to go to trial. He lost all his law research)

So no it is not a hoax but there is a good chance the original information has been removed from the internet making it impossible to research.


It is clear to me from many sources (mostly drug related news) that the government itself is inclined to jack booted thuggery, illegal and botched raids with no remorse, admission of guilt or recompensation. "You should do as X is telling you to do" is how it is with them. However it is non-sequitur to related a story about USDA raids regarding Animal/Viggie ID and say "so this [blog post] not a hoax" about the minutes. I mean "hoax" in a loose sense. Not necessarily a complete fabrication but perhaps a misinterpretation or a spin.

So, now we're from vaccinations enforced by WHO "troops" by dissolving national governments to farmers and Animal ID? Let's stick with the claims of the post and not go off into another issue.

Sorry to play devil's advocate here but otherwise I'm relying upon another's interpretation of material that doesn't exist any more. It is rather contradictory to state that sovereign government will be dissolved and then to admit that those governments can opt out. It looks to me like they would enforce any measures themselves by declaring a state of emergency instead.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 05:32 PM by Inannamute
Originally posted by daddio


I am not going to ask if your are nuts, but.. Have you not seen the ads on television for the "Cervical Cancer" vaccinations? For young girls so they won't develop cervical cancer. Are they insane? This is the sterilization you were "wondering" about. What don't you get here?

Vaccinations are a good thing? First off, there has NEVER EVER been a need for ANY vaccination. ALL vaccinations CAUSE disease, they DO NOT prevent it. Nature has a very ingenius way of stabilizing and healing the body if one has the right nutrition.

You know it's a sad world when people do not pay attention to ALL that surrounds them. Maybe some of us have studied the cryptocrats and megalomaniacs so long and thoroughly that we understand what they are doing and what the endgame is. But I would hope that more of you would "get it" or get a clue and research and re-research.

And Big Pharm doesn't profit from food? WHo the h#ll do you think owns all the corporate farms that are growing the genetically modified fruits and vegetables? Not to mention the 28 day chickens and tainted beef?

Pay attention. I know it's hard, and I am broke too, so I can't afford to pay attention sometimes, but do what you can to educate yourself.


Um, what's with the attack? I specifically say in my post that I don't necessarily believe either the official scenario OR the one I posted. And yet you're attacking me for what? Not researching what?. I do pay attention to all that surrounds me, and I have enough of a background in science to know that there are and have been vaccinations that are extremely effective at preventing disease. A vaccine isn't supposed to be a drug based prevention, the idea behind a vaccine IS to help your body's own defenses fight disease. So yes, there are good vaccines, or have I missed a worldwide smallpox epidemic recently?..

And yes, I've seen the vaccine against cervical cancer, and there's absolutely STILL no proof or even conceivable injection based way to sterilize someone. Please, if you think there is, educate me on exactly how that would work.

I'm aware of monsanto and their actions, and the fact that there are ties to drug companies, however they are not a drug company themselves. Regardless, the last line of my post was meant to be a flip remark about the fact that this current hysteria about swine flu is just that. Unjustifiable hysteria, when compared with something we could actually fix, easily.

You call me clueless, but your post has what exactly? What science? What evidence of anything you believe? It's all very well to "research and educate yourself" but the internet can be a dangerous tool if you're unable to apply critical and logical thinking to what you read. It's dangerous to believe everything you read or hear regardless of the source it comes from. I'm perfectly willing to debate you, but if you want to simply attack me, you're going to need a lot more thought, effort, and intelligence in your posts first. Learn some science, realize what exactly vaccines are engineered to do, and the fact that there have been many successful ones in the past. Educate yourself.


reply posted on 8-8-2009 @ 06:09 PM by zysin5
reply to post by schrodingers dog


Yeah this is news to me aswell!! Well atleast in the form of something solid. I had been saying for months now that sooner or later they are going to MAKE us put this crap in our bodies..
However I was laughed off the stage and called a nutter...
Well now we have it here.. In bold print!! I want to thank you for posting this SD! This is dire news indeed..
As I will be labeled a criminal for sure.. As I have no plan on getting this stuff put into my body..

This is just one step closer to when they come out with the Mark of the Beast, and they will MAKE you get that ID planted in your body..
You will almost have no choice by the time that comes into play...

Well I have lived a good long life thus far.. And I will be damned if I am made to do anything to my body I did not chose to do..

So much I could say.. But the report speaks for itself..
I would highly suggest anyone comming into the thread to please take the time and read the whole thing!!!
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