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In time, people who heard the story began to believe that they had previously seen the photo with their own eyes. Somehow, people felt convinced that they had once marveled at the strange picture in some old book or newspaper, often noting that they didn't realize the significance of the photo at the time, and regretting that they had not kept it. The details might differ from one recollection to the other, with some recalling the bird had feathers and others saying it looked more like a pterodactyl, and some thinking the bird was nailed to a wall and others remembering that it was held with wings outstretch by a large group of men. But no matter what the specifics, each person feels certain his or her memory is true.
Originally posted by ravenshadow13
reply to post by The Soothsayer
I posted that link before. Apparently it's a hoax.
From the link:
That photo was published in an issue of Strange Magazine 19 in 1998. It’s referred to as the “Ivan Verlaine” photo. It’s a complete hoax. Later, in Strange 20, Mark Chorvinsky showed how the photo was manipulated from “a posed photograph of the capture of the outlaw John Sontag,” in 1892.
Apparently the magazine actually says that it is a hoax. I'm in the process of trying to get access to the last two issues of the magazine, even though apparently the "Thunderbird" series was never finished because the author died.
It's got to be in one of these: www.strangemag.com...
But it can't be the answer, especially if the magazine declared it as a hoax, and if they continued the search in later issues.
[edit on 8/6/2009 by ravenshadow13]
Originally posted by danny-arclight
You know what I think?
I think that originally in the 1800s in America, White Western Amercans couldnt handle the concept of the amrican indian legends - in other words, they took the mythologies of the Indains literally, in a country they didnt have much concept of at the time.
The Indian thunderbird, I feel has more to do with cloud formations, thunder and lightning than it does with an actual bird, and the ability of Indian tribes to use their imaginations, or imagine those things through image based concepts - therefore, this legend has always been based around an image - that we all imagine (or want to imagine) we have seen (and the way the myth and hoaxes have helped to encourage this) mean we see what we want to see - just like those earlier frontiersmen were both frightened and mystified by these legends and exaggerated what they saw from large eagles etc.
I think, with the advent of photography, this was one of those myths that was crying out to be exploited by people makin gmoney from it in the 'freak shows' and sensational stories of the time...
I dunno, just my thoughts, but this idea of the 'missing' photo has been going on for at least 40 years. No one has found it yet, (though everyone thinks they have seen it) - and not even the Internet has turned up the lost 'legendary' photograph either. Its an urban myth... nothing more
The Epitaph ran no photographs, so there could have been no Thunderbird Photograph associated with the fictitious downing of a giant flying crocodile.
If the Tombstone Thunderbird case was a hoax, then the Thunderbird Photograph had to have either been of a different case, or was itself a legend.
If the photo was from another case altogether, it is curious that none but the Tombstone case has ever been suggested as the source.
In September, 1963, a scant four months after Pearl's Saga article Cranmer wrote a letter to Fate about the Thunderbird Photograph.
There are many clues that Cranmer was Pearl's source for the Thunderbird Photo tale. Pearl writes in his article that some thunderbird reports were received by Saga magazine "from a Pennsylvania resident.
Another is the use of the word "canard" (French for "duck"). John Michell and Robert J. M. Rickard's book Phenomena (Thames and Hudson, London, 1977, p. 71) included a case of a supposed living pterodactyl that they described as "perhaps the damnedest piece in this whole book." Phenomena is packed with strange material, so this is really saying something. The authors write that in early 1856 French railway workmen blasting a tunnel cracked open a boulder from which a pterodactyl-like creature emerged, cried out, and died. The account, filled with all kinds of wonderful detail (sharp teeth; thick, oily skin; crooked talons), was taken from the Illustrated London News of February 9, 1856. This paper quoted the Presse grayloise. This case was most certainly a hoax. Had the authors either a better grasp of Latin or knowledge of the use of code words like canard throughout the history of journalistic hoaxing, they might have thought twice before including it in a book of supposedly true phenomena. Nevertheless, it is a good story. In 1985 British author-researcher Michael Goss exposed this entombed pterodactyl case in the skeptical UFO-oriented publication Magonia. Goss noted that in the Illustrated London News article the winged monster was taken to a naturalist in the town of Gray, France, and that this paleontology expert identified the beastie as none other than a Pterodactylus anas. Readers with some knowledge of Latin would have known that anas is Latin for "duck." "Duck" is English for "canard." [Michael Goss, "'The French Pterodactyl' a Fortean Folly," Magonia 21 (December 1985), pp. 7-8, 11]