Why is 'everyone' on this board so against an expansion of Public Health Care in the U.S?, page 1
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reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:42 AM by Peruvianmonk
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Level playing field was in reference to the U.K. Yes this bill will not solve all the inequality of the system but it will go some way. It may be a minority, but i belive it is 40 mil without insurance or adequete insurance, a pretty big minority don't you think?

I'm sure those with the money will still continue to see much of the same service they already recieve. There were the same fears about the NHS, that it would take away from those who already had the money to get coverage, yet there is still private healthcare in Britian which helps the NHS out and recieves help back, making it easier to treat patients.

[edit on 29-7-2009 by Peruvianmonk]


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:47 AM by Helig
reply to post by Peruvianmonk



So far our government hasn't shown they can fix much of anything. They already blew literally mountains of money trying to fix the economy and so far its not shown any signs of working. They pass bills without even reading the contents, pontificate on things they barely grasp, and in general are failing at good governance.

Given such a horrible track record like that why would we want the government to _try_ to implement socialized medicine? The odds of them creating a successful program are slim, the chances of them not taxing the citizens into poverty to fund it are completely non-existent.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:48 AM by Peruvianmonk
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By the way my Parents lived in New Hampshire for the past two years, and i visited it three times so kudos to you


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:52 AM by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by Helig



So it is a fear of government incompetence? The stimulus bill seemed to me to be the only way to come to terms with the complete 'incompetence' of previous administrations inability to regulate the free-market. Anyway i'm going off track

Wouldn't you rather have some say in the system (paying tax, in a country where your tax level is low compared to most industralized countires) than it to be run by the money hungry medical insurance companies, phramcutical companies and an elite group in the medical profession?

I knew someone in America who worked 3 jobs and could not afford medical insurance, and they were severly overweight, so were clearly going to need it in the near future, is that right?

Sorry i'm not trying to moralize, i'm just writing...



reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:56 AM by redoubt
reply to post by Peruvianmonk




Why is 'everyone' on this board so against an expansion of Public Health Care in the U.S?


personally, I have nothing against seeing to it that those who would not otherwise have access to good healthcare, get it with the help of Uncle Sam. But when we start talking about a broad sweep that would put into place a national healthcare system, there are just too many gremlins in the mix.

If it were as simple as people taking a card to any doctor or provider they chose, to have any care or procedure a physician saw the need to administer, that would be a perfect thing. But it won't be that way because government can't allow that kind of control slip through its fingers.

Again, speaking just for myself, I would like to see the health insurance industry removed from the equation. They have now positioned themselves directly between the market, your doctor, and the consumer, you. Today's reality is that we now must pass through this leeching industry before we can see our physician. And the cost? Heck, since we are also supporting the huge health insurance industry, the cost of care had to go up.

Remove insurance, add no long-term government intervention, and allow a few years for the market to settle. The costs will come down so that the market can survive at a level the consumer can afford.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:58 AM by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by thisguyrighthere



You already live under the thumb of the fradulant medical insurance companies though surely? I bet you have been in a situation where you thought your insurance covered all, only to find out at some point you had to pay extra for pills, operations etc?

There is so much fraud in the health care system at the mo, it would appear to me it could not get any worse. Medicare is not even allowed, by law, to try and get drugs at a cheaper price from the pharmacutical corporations and is hated solely becasue it pays 20% less private insurance. Without it i dread to think of the consequences..
www.counterpunch.com...


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 09:59 AM by marg6043
reply to post by Peruvianmonk



Well if you have kept with the various threads in the issue you will not be making this thread right now.

Go back and read them and your question will be answered.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 10:01 AM by SpacePunk
reply to post by Peruvianmonk



It's just a form of class warfare. The difference between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' is affordable health care.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 10:03 AM by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by jjkenobi



That's what im talking about, 'i'm alright so don't worry about everyone who isn't', attitude. I'm sure you will still be able to choose who your doctor is just as you can here in the NHS. There is so much fear mongering in the media about the whole bill. It is not looking to take away from those who have but provide for those who don't have.

If you pay 50% in taxes then i'm sure your doing very well for yourself, and thats cool, but many many people in your country are living in abject poverty...your supposed to be the land of the free, the beacon of the free world, the richest country in the world. Cannot this be coupled with providing healthcare for your whole population?



reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 10:05 AM by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
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post by thisguyrighthere



I bet you have been in a situation where you thought your insurance covered all, only to find out at some point you had to pay extra for pills, operations etc?


No, I havent. Unlike most I spend time reading through the fine print and shopping around. I've gotten terms to change with phone calls and provider comparisons. You'd be amazed at how many insurance providers will abide by the common department store policy of "price-matching" in more way than one.

Now, dealing with government agencies in a similar fashion? They call your inquiries and complaints threats and send the police to your door.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 10:05 AM by Peruvianmonk
reply to post by redoubt



Interesting, how would you go about removing the insurance companies? They are so powerful and are some of the reason behind alot of Democrats not supporting the bill, as they are big campaign contributors.


reply posted on 29-7-2009 @ 10:22 AM by SpacePunk
reply to post by Wildbob77



Evidently you haven't had to use an emergency room. They are not free. Oh, they will provide enough care to get you stable and out the door, but the bills come later. From the hospital, the doctor, radiology if that's done, etc...

I want to know where in Fantasyland this free emergency care is so that I can move there.
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