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Originally posted by mhc_70
reply to post by Devino
I understand your point and agree to a certain exstent. But given the title of the thread, the nature of the responses are going to be inherently negative.
WASHINGTON - Apparently ready to abandon the idea, President Barack Obama's health secretary said Sunday a government alternative to private health insurance is "not the essential element" of the administration's health care overhaul. The White House indicated it could jettison the contentious public option and settle on insurance cooperatives as an acceptable alternative, a move embraced by some Republicans lawmakers who have strongly opposed the administration's approach so far.
Originally posted by Peruvianmonk
That's the question i pose to you all. ....
Correct me if i'm wrong please, but surely helping ....
We have the NHS in the U.K ..
I am not trying to interfere or tell you how to run your country..?
BOSTON — State-subsidized health insurance for 31,000 legal immigrants here will no longer cover dental, hospice or skilled-nursing care under a scaled-back plan that Gov. Deval Patrick announced Monday.
Mr. Patrick said his administration had struggled to find a solution “that preserves the promise of health care reform” after the state legislature cut most of the $130 million it had previously allotted immigrants, to help close a budget deficit. Although their health benefits will be sharply curtailed in some cases, Mr. Patrick portrayed the new program as a victory, saying the services that the affected group tends to use the most will still be covered.
“It’s an extraordinary accomplishment,” he said in a conference call with reporters, “to offer virtually full coverage for the entire population that’s been impacted in the face of really extraordinary budget constraints.”
The new plan, which will cover permanent residents who have had green cards for less than five years, will cost the state $40 million a year. Some of the affected immigrants will be charged higher co-payments and will have to find new doctors, said Leslie A. Kirwan, Mr. Patrick’s finance director.
Originally posted by Donnie Darko you know, i don't care anyway. the US government won't exist in a few years so they won't have anything to do with healthcare.
Do you know something that we don't?
Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP in 1990. Today  it is valued at over 70% of U.S. GDP. Foreigners own $2 trillion (19% of U.S. GDP) more in U.S. assets that the U.S. holds of theirs. Foreign ownership of the U.S. Treasury market is over 30%, over 23% of the corporate bond market, and 13% of the U.S. equity market. (Statistics courtesy of Bridgewater, Dec 13, 2002.) Source
the Grace Commission Report:
"With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the Federal debt and by Federal Government contributions to transfer payments. In other words, all individual income tax revenues are gone before one nickel is spent on the services which taxpayers expect from their Government." - from the The Grace Commission Report
Operating in great obscurity in Basel, Switzerland, this institution wields even greater power than the Federal Reserve as it is considered the "central banks' bank." The BIS, operating on the global level, coordinates with the "local central bank" in each country, the material changes in domestic law necessary to bring the world monetary system into harmony or one. Over the years, it has, like the Federal Reserve, amassed greater and greater control over more aspects of the global monetary system.
Structural Adjustment Policies are economic policies which countries must follow in order to qualify for new World Bank and International Monetary Fund (IMF) loans and help them make debt repayments on the older debts owed to commercial banks, governments and the World Bank. Although SAPs are designed for individual countries but have common guiding principles and features....
SAPs often result in deep cuts in programmes like education, health and social care, and the removal of subsidies designed to control the price of basics such as food and milk. So SAPs hurt the poor most, because they depend heavily on these services and subsidies.
By devaluing the currency and simultaneously removing price controls, the immediate effect of a SAP is generally to hike prices up three or four times, increasing poverty to such an extent that riots are a frequent result.
In the dozens of countries where the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and World Bank have imposed structural adjustment programs (SAPs), the people who have seen deterioration in their standards of living, reduced access to public services, devastated environments, and plummeting employment prospects. www.whirledbank.org...
As a former Treasury official, I am amazed that the US government, in the midst of the worst financial crises ever, is content for short-selling to drive down the asset prices that the government is trying to support....The bald fact is that the combination of ignorance, negligence, and ideology that permitted the crisis to happen still prevails and is blocking any remedy. Either the people in power in Washington and the financial community are total dimwits or they are manipulating an opportunity to redistribute wealth from taxpayers, equity owners and pension funds to the financial sector. www.countercurrents.org...
The US dollar that the Federal Reserve prints is not wealth as you pointed out. Wealth is this country, its people and what we can produce. For this reason the US is not broke, i.e. Bankrupt, unless we make the mistake of thinking the Federal Reserve is part of our government. The US is in deep trouble and for that reason I feel we all need to see things for what they are, to look at the "Truth" without fear
Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP in 1990. Today it is valued at over 70% of U.S. GDP. Foreigners own $2 trillion (19% of U.S. GDP) more in U.S. assets that the U.S. holds of theirs. Foreign ownership of the U.S. Treasury market is over 30%, over 23% of the corporate bond market, and 13% of the U.S. equity market. (Statistics courtesy of Bridgewater, Dec 13, 2002.) Source
The Department of Homeland Security reports that up to 80% of our ports are operated by foreign companies and Foreigners are buying and operating US bridges and toll roads. Link
According to the website Economy in Crisis, "Foreign ownership refers to ownership of assets of a particular industry by foreign controlled domestic U.S. Corporations (FDC) 50% or more owned by a foreign entity."
By that definition, the percentage of foreign ownership as of 2002 by industrial sector was as follows:
* Sound recording industries - 97%
* Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage - 79%
* Motion picture and sound recording industries - 75%
* Metal ore mining - 65%
* Motion picture and video industries - 64%
* Wineries and distilleries - 64%
* Database, directory, and other publishers - 63%
* Book publishers - 63%
* Cement, concrete, lime, and gypsum product - 62%
* Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment - 57%
* Rubber product - 53%
* Nonmetallic mineral product manufacturing - 53%
* Plastics and rubber products manufacturing - 52%
* Plastics product - 51%
* Other insurance related activities - 51%
* Boiler, tank, and shipping container - 50%
* Glass and glass product - 48%
* Coal mining - 48%
[and the list goes on]
a. the bills give "the Administrator" power over every person in the country who "holds" food (everyone). yupfarming.blogspot.com...
b. set up a division for this that is independently funded so no congressional oversight.
c. includes massive punishments (million dollar a day fines and up to ten years in prison) but these punishments are not exclusive of anything more that may be available (leaving the door open to ... anything. Torture?). yupfarming.blogspot.com...
d. is expected to be run by Monsanto lawyer Michael Taylor - www.postcarbon.org...) so Monsanto, considered the evilest corporation in the world and the greatest threat to food and nature, will have power over the entire US food supply, including over decisions on punishments.
e. with no judicial review over even the appropriateness and validity of punishments for as yet unstated "crimes." So, they could apply this to anyone, to anything at all, and it doesn't have to have any relation whatever to food ... and it is not subject to review. [that mean you do not get a trial by a judge or a jury] A police state.
f. and this is all on top of surveillance, monitoring, warrant-less entry, no due process, taking of all records, etc. included in the bills
g. Monsanto's Taylor was involved in designing the bills.
Why Does the WTO Want My Water?
Up for grabs at the negotiating table is worldwide privatization and deregulation of public energy and water utilities, postal services, higher education and state alcohol distribution controls; a new right for foreign firms to obtain U.S. Small Business Administration loans; elimination of a list of specific U.S. state laws about land use, professional licensing and consumer protections, and extreme deregulation of private-sector service industries such as insurance, banking, mutual funds and securities. Source
Originally posted by mattifikation
Well, under the proposed system, my fellow citizens will pay for it. I've never done anything for them, that they owe me this money. Why should I take their money? Under this system, I will be taking something I have not earned. That is stealing.
At any rate, we already have laws in place where a hospital can't refuse patients who can't afford to pay. It's not like if you get sick in the United States, you get left to die in the streets.