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More reason for me to doubt people who claim to know.
Originally posted by TruthParadox
I doubt the human 'ability' to 'know' what is outside our senses.
I don't completely discount it.
But... I've heard a lot of stories of people 'knowing' or 'understanding' or having personal experiences, OBE, etc.
They hardly ever seem to match up.
More reason for me to doubt people who claim to know.
Where did I say that?
I'm not denying your experiences or calling them false.
I'm saying that ultimately your perspective is limited, as is mine.
Here's what I know:
1) You don't allow the possibility that you could be wrong
2) As far as we know, anything is possible.
Put the two together...
If you simply realized your limitations, and that you could be wrong, I wouldn't be arguing against you now.
Originally posted by badmedia
Not at all.
As far as I know, anything is possible.
And I have a very small (ok, large) hunch that the same could be said of you, though you may never admit it.
To you, only one thing is possible.
God created this existence and we're part of a whole, experiencing stuff - just because.
John Dewey described Humanism as our "common faith." Julian Huxley called it "Religion without Revelation." The first Humanist Manifesto spoke openly of Humanism as a religion. Many other Humanists could be cited who have acknowledged that Humanism is a religion.
In 1961, the U.S. Supreme Court acknowledged that Secular Humanism was a religion. Nevertheless, many Humanists deny the significance of the Court's assertion. In order to buttress the claim that the identification of Secular Humanism as a religion in a footnote in the Torcaso case is more than mere "dicta," here is a memorandum prepared "[a]t the request of the staff of the Committee on Education and Labor” by Congressman John B. Conlan.
Originally posted by pieman
Originally posted by makinho21
I have my whole life to try and understand the mechanisms and workings of the world around me, and there is no distraction from the supernatural, or lazy escape like "meh I can't understand because it's divine". I think not having such a distraction allows one to grow and expand in ways religious folk just can't.
atheism offers as many easy answers as religion. believing unconditionally what science tells you is just as lazy as saying "god did it". discounting the possibility of the divine based on belief is as stupid as attributing to the divine based on belief.
both techniques involve making evidence fit belief, not fitting belief to evidence.
In 2008, intelligence researcher Helmuth Nyborg examined whether IQ relates to denomination and income, using representative data from the National Longitudinal Study of Youth, which includes intelligence tests on a representative selection of white American youth, where they have also replied to questions about religious belief. His results, published in the scientific journal Intelligence, demonstrated that atheists scored an average of 1.95 IQ points higher than agnostics, 3.82 points higher than liberal persuasions, and 5.89 IQ points higher than dogmatic persuasions.
Nyborg also co-authored a study with Richard Lynn, emeritus professor of psychology at the University of Ulster, which compared religious belief and average national IQs in 137 countries. The study analysed the issue from several viewpoints. Firstly, using data from a U.S. study of 6,825 adolescents, the authors found that atheists scored 6 IQ points higher than non atheists.
Secondly, the authors investigated the link between religiosity and intelligence on a country level. Among the sample of 137 countries, only 23 (17%) had more than 20% of atheists, which constituted “virtually all... higher IQ countries.” The authors reported a correlation of 0.60 between atheism rates and level of intelligence, which was determined to be “highly statistically significant”
Commenting on some of the above studies in The Daily Telegraph, Lynn said "Why should fewer academics believe in God than the general population? I believe it is simply a matter of the IQ. Academics have higher IQs than the general population. Several Gallup poll studies of the general population have shown that those with higher IQs tend not to believe in God." A study published in Social Psychology Quarterly in March 2010 also stated that "atheism ...correlate[s] with higher intelligence"
Once again, analyses of large representative samples from both the United States and the United Kingdom support this prediction of the Hypothesis. Net of a large number of social and demographic factors, including education, more intelligent individuals are more likely to be atheistic than less intelligent individuals. For example, among the American sample, those who identify themselves as “not at all religious” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 103.09, whereas those who identify themselves as “very religious” in early adulthood have a mean childhood IQ of 97.14.
Even though past studies have shown that women are more religious than men, the analyses show that the effect of childhood intelligence on adult religiosity is twice as large as that of sex. Remarkably, childhood intelligence has a significant and large effect on adult religiosity even when religion itself is statistically controlled for. So it appears that more intelligent children are more likely to grow up to be atheists than less intelligent individuals,
"Whereas 90% of the general population has a distinct belief in a personal god and a life after death, only 40% of scientists on the B.S. level favor this belief in religion and merely 10 % of those who are considered 'eminent' scientists believe in a personal god or in an afterlife."
A recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.
Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by Agree2Disagree
We also have to consider cultures, how religiously the people are grown. If most people were religious, there is a high likelyhood the kids are grown that way also.
If we took a look at academical fields, religious scientists are a minority in the scientific circles.
There are not much studies on the matter, although there is a strong correlation between the education of a person and their religious beliefs.
There are 13 countries here that demonstrated average IQ's of 100-110...7 of those were less than 20% atheist...
There are 38 countries that demonstrated average IQ's of 90-100...24 of those were less than 20% atheist....
There are only 4 countries that are more than 50% atheist that demonstrated average IQ's in the range of 90-110....while there are 12 countries that are less than 10% atheist that demonstrated average IQ's in the range of 90-110