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The Army pounds it into your head until it is instinct: Kill everybody, kill everybody

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posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 02:25 AM
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I too find it very interesting that hes going through and changing his posts up, for such an enlightened person , he should be very aware that changing up things hes posted wont fool anyone, what with all the excerpts taken from his write ups.

And it just makes him look even more foolish, im actually surprised he hasnt gotten banned yet for his antics......

Altho it is entertaining, if i was a Mod, id probably keep him on for the comic relief.

Thanks bobbylove for contributing something to ATS, even tho it might not be relevant or insightful, atleast its a break from reality.

I would ask tho, pertaining to this thread, I would like to know your FULL views on the military, and why you think they are such bad people.

And if this IS all just a "matrix" type dream we walk around in, why do you feel all these people are so bad, i mean , after all, its fake right?




posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 02:27 AM
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...back again to add a bit more:

Currently I work within the Mental Health sector - have done for some 14 years now.

In that time I have worked on Psych Wards, in Rehabs, counselling services and community based treatment teams.

I've worked with those who have seen active combat - not just soldiers of my own country, but those from other countries also who now call my country home.

And I can tell you that while on some level I might be able to get where people come from who say "Well, thats what you signed up for so you got what you deserved"...to actually work with those who supposedly 'got what they deserved', so see the hell they live through every moment of every day...then well all I can say is anyone who holds such an opinion REALLY needs to step back and take a deep breath!

Come bring those opinions into the Psych Wards and the Rehab Units...come say that to those who are here in body but their mind and spirit is still being shelled and shot at on some battlefield half a world away.
Come shower them as they crap and piss themselves out of fear in the flashhbacks they relive over and over and over again...or feed them when they are so catatonic with trauma they can't even blink let alone engage in normal daily activity.
Come listen to them tell you about being unsure if the blood they were covered in was theirs or their buddies who got shredded alongside them.

Come actually LOOK at those who supposedly 'got what they deserved'.


...its REAL easy to hold an opinion when thats all you have to hold...an opinion...



Peace.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 02:38 AM
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Okay, bobbylove, you mix truth with disgusting fiction.
Everyone is trained to kill it is part of human - and animal - nature, to SURVIVE. As we say here 'what use is a dead man to anyone?'.
Really we are trained HOW to kill, not TO kill.

There are pacifist in the military/police, ones writing you a response right now. You have probably seen a couple challenged people and stereo-type everyone as them. This is untrue. Though there are those who enjoy to kill.

I understand what you say about the 'plan' and all, I believe there is one too, but some good always comes with evil, as some evil always comes with good. For example burning opium crop = less heroin addicts on our streets... but how else do the poor of Afghanistan make money? What can grow in the desert?

No you can not 'turn off' your training, just like you cant 'turn off' riding a bike, it is with you always, but like a dimmer light, you can change degrees. I agree with the poster who talks of checking surroundings for ways out or weapons and such... such have I experienced myself.

And for trauma it is inevitable. I get flashbacks and nightmares and scary things all the time, such is the psyche of man.

I think you need much more research. Heres a hint Listen to what spy66 says he is very wise.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 02:47 AM
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I had a violent childhood and not so pleasant life. It teaches you things, that all are evil.

But I was able to change, now I don't kill even ants
At the end of the day, you still have the freedom to think of the good stuff. Get more courage, toughen yourself even more. I still had dreams of killing but meh, I chose to have full control of my mind.

Nothing is too late, yesterday is history. You still got plenty of time to redeem yourself by doing good(and saving other people from harm!)!



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 03:02 AM
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LoL wait a minute here, who killed people after Katrina hit? Any documentation to back up your statments that US Soldiers killed anyone after Katrina?

Any documentation that if they DID , it wasnt because of the mass looting, theft, vandalism, and attacks by hoodlums exploiting the situation?

Once again i served in the military, and it doesnt matter what the orders are that are handed down, if they do not fall in line with protecting a soldiers family and nation , he WONT do it. Case in point, heres the oath an officer takes.

“I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.” (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)"

As you can see, the officer does not swear to obey the orders of the President....They only have an obligation to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic (for example, a Presidential Usurper, or orders that are against the Constitution).

All this baloney coming from people who say that we are trained and brainwashed so much that we would turn on our own Mothers, Fathers, Brothers, Sisters, and country is BS.

We are also not China, or Germany, or any of the 3rd world countries you listed on there, if you havent noticed, our military is better trained and not rampant with guerrilla fighters, so that statement doesnt even hold water.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 03:42 AM
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Exactly people got shoot because they broke the law.
But non the less they where Americans shooting other Americans. And if you do look into it you will find out that people did get killed by the units from the Army. Or just people shooting other people. Yeah Americans shooting other Americans.

Now what is the consequences of a illegal rally against the government. It is actually what the Op is talking about.


What are the risk you might have to face if the rally is made illegal by the law enforcers?
Yes you might have to risk your life at worst if you want to fight for your opinion.

My post is to support OP because i know what your government will do if you rally against the law and order on a "scale" where the Army will support the Police to enforce law and order again. How bad things will get depends on how hard you decide to react to the law enforcement.
And things are really bad if the Army is set in to help the police enforce the law. Many people have been killed already at that stage.

Try it and you will feel it on your body without doubt.



[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 04:39 AM
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I hate to tell you this, but if someone is breaking into my house, im going to shoot him myself.........thats Americans shooting Americans is it not?

What does that have to do with Military personnel being brainwashed into following any and all orders by the US GOV to do things to the American people that are out of line?

Like ive said in my former post, Im former USMC, and i have many many friends out there that are military as well. I can tell you for a fact that if something inconceivable were to happen and the gov ordered the military to turn on its people, theyd be up a creek without a paddle, it wouldnt happen.

Infact you can bet that they would turn it back on them!

Katrina where people were looting , causing bodily harm to individuals, and acting out against local police in a CRIMINAL manner, criminal as defined by stealing etc etc, is NOT the same as a situation where the gov says "The american people are out of control, and wont take this vaccine, load them up" or any OTHER situation where a tyrannical gov would give orders of that sort............its apples to oranges

Like i said before, provide me PROOF, because you made the statements the burden of proof is on you, that the military killed anyone after katrina that wasnt causing harm to others or directly engaging against them?

I see the point you are TRYING to make, but it doesnt hold water.

If teh PEOPLE of the united states rally against the government because they are breaking our constitutional rights, it is OUR RIGHT to do so, thats what the constitution was set in place for, OUR RIGHTS as PEOPLE in the UNITED STATES to fight back against a TYRANNICAL government.

Soldiers are BOUND by oath to uphold the CONSTITUTION.....so even at its most basic its clear.

Beyond that, if you have a majority of the people rising up like that, your gonna see the military do it as well, because our military are all volunteers, Americans 1st , soldiers 2nd........

All this i say from personal experience.

I know that people will think what they want and trudge on with those beliefs, but when you have a majority of the military saying that if at any point they were asked to turn against their people, would they......and they say no..........how can you refute that?

it leaves me boggled



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 05:11 AM
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How about the German soldiers ? or the Canadian Soldiers ? Would they kill American citizens ?

UN isnt just US soldiers you know..
WHO and UN are nothing but terrorists, I realy dont care what you people say, they are in wars orchestrated by the same people trying to stop the war, so , the cycle of this is simple: Create wars so the fundings of these Orgs. will seemingly look nessesery when it infact is not nessesary.

Without these agencies, there would not be a need for this agencies..



[edit on 27/7/2009 by ChemBreather]



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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Spy66 is a soldat himself. He knows there will be lots of deserters, (and I know I should not be speaking for him) but he meant that there are groups and individual soldater that will turn on the civilians. And he used Katrina as an example, and you are right, it was because of looting and rioting, but surely that shows how easy it is Spy66 is also right. All you need is a disaster and someone stealing a TV and bodies will eventually pile (though not a lot).

Yes many people take a oath (I did myself) but it does not mean you follow it, I mean look at what some presidents have done (false flags!).

Im sure the ones who refuse to serve will be labeled as terrorists by the loyal groups and be targeted, and civilians will hear 'terrorist' and agree.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 06:14 AM
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Your a fool if you think that your own troops wont fight you on your own soil. You and your friends might not think such thoughts to day. But then again there is no conflict yet to base that thought on is there?
If the conflict has the right reasons they will fight you based on that reason. Don't ever make the mistake that they won't.

You can think what ever you like of the constitution it wont save you at all. The constitution is what will create the conflict between you if it comes to that point. This wont happen suddenly it will happen gradually so they can give people a reason to disagree.
They will do it gradually so that the camp for a new constitution is greater then the camp supporting the old. When you have a internal conflict you do have two camps of supporters. You will be on your side with your friends facing the other camp of supporters. How this conflict will end depends on how you play it. It can end up with a civil war. And that would be Americans fighting Americans.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 06:17 AM
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Everyone who claims the OP doesn't know what I'm talking about, I'm a Desert Storm Vet.

It's not the soldier, it's the military. They are all about killing. Look at predator drone. A cowardly way to fight a fight.

War is not about protecting freedom, it's about protecting the banks investment.

There is no pride from military service, as I found out the hard way.

That's why brainwashing is necessary.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 06:50 AM
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Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
I was in the Air Force and we were all about killin. Cept we had it down to a science. The science of lazyness! Why worry about getting down and dirty when you can control a UAV remotely from Las Vegas and bust some Mooj with a Hellfire from low altitude. Army is for...how shall I say it....ASVAB scores under 50? Heck the Army was recruiting people with 8th grade educations for a good bit there. Promising to help people get a GED once they had already joined. YYYEAAAHHH exactly who I want to work with around weapons and explosives lol. BUT you gotta get SOMEONE to drive around looking for buried artillery shells inside of a HUMMV.


Thanks for that honest assesment. The truth is not popular, but necessary.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 06:55 AM
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You make some good points.

I actually used Katrina to show how people react towards the authority. And how authority acts towards its own people. If you find a YouTube video of Katrina you will see a lot of authority armed with weapons.

But what people should notice is that the authority or the army will arm them selves because they cant trust the people.

Imagine that on a bigger and on a different scale then the Katrina disaster.

[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 07:15 AM
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Well ja I always knew that America in WW3 would be an internal war, civil war. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said that too. America is infallible, except from the inside.
I can bet you it will be Christian vs. Atheist too (or vs all non-Christian really) and some small events and law will be the spark of the fire.
Then the army will be impartial (as opposed to Christian or atheist militias) and it will be a relief to see them right?

Of course the government arm themselves because they are afraid of the people. The people also arm themselves because they are afraid of the government. At least in America.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by Ridhya
Well ja I always knew that America in WW3 would be an internal war, civil war. I think it was Thomas Jefferson who said that too. America is infallible, except from the inside.
I can bet you it will be Christian vs. Atheist too (or vs all non-Christian really) and some small events and law will be the spark of the fire.
Then the army will be impartial (as opposed to Christian or atheist militias) and it will be a relief to see them right?

Of course the government arm themselves because they are afraid of the people. The people also arm themselves because they are afraid of the government. At least in America.


You are spot on with your last comment. Most Americans dont trust their own authority and most Americans are really scared of their own citizens.

And they have a very good reason to be scared too. Because just about every American is armed to their teeth. And many are organised. And is openly saying that they will kill anyone who might seam threatening to them or their families if things are really bad. And that is very dangerous if you have 307 million people having that thought. The authority is not Americas greatest threat. The greatest threat is them selves and what they are capable of doing to them selves.

I think poverty and their way of doing politics will be a catalyst to a major event in the US in the future not religion.







[edit on 27.06.08 by spy66]



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 08:38 AM
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Originally posted by bobbylove321
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And there was the sheep who only read...


calling me a sheep only proves one thing for certain

you have no credibility left, and now your bankrupt.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 08:51 AM
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I would think the killer instinct if anything, has created the U.S. Army, it's been around thousands of years longer. Humans have been raping and pillaging as long as recorded history, and we've definitely become more disciplined at it over time, I don't think our government is sanctioning lawlessness over in other countries, with all the forms of media nowadays even Iraqi's and Afghani's have the ability to document such behavior if it was happening. Then again you have some people that sensationalize things to make a quick easy dollar, those are the kind of people that weren't spared in the old days of real pillaging.



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 08:57 AM
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Originally posted by Udontknowme
In an article coming out of FT Carson, CO, returning war vets tell of murder, rape, drugs, you name it.

It sounds like it was a free for all over there. No wonder they wanted us out of there.

Think soldiers wouldn't turn on American citizens under orders? I tend to disagree.



"If I was just a guy off the street, I might have hesitated to shoot," Marquez told The Gazette in the Bent County Correctional Facility, where he is serving a 30-year prison term. "But after Iraq, it was just natural."

The Army trains soldiers to be that way, said Kenneth Eastridge, an infantry specialist serving 10 years for accessory to murder.

"The Army pounds it into your head until it is instinct: Kill everybody, kill everybody," he said. "And you do. Then they just think you can just come home and turn it off."

news.yahoo.com...



I served in the US Army during the Vietnam era and I can tell you from first hand experience that:

A: If you are a soldier in a combat situation and for any reason, cannot bring yourself to perform (kill the enemy), you will die and maybe take a few of your comrades with you.

B: Most guys that did things like murder, rape, etc. were already screwed up before the Army got them. They would have likely done the same in a civilian setting sooner or later anyway. The Army should have culled these types to prevent them from getting into theater or even wearing the uniform... but the behavior in question was not due to training or doctrine.

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posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 09:00 AM
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[edit on 27-7-2009 by ofhumandescent]



posted on Jul, 27 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by redoubt

Originally posted by Udontknowme
In an article coming out of FT Carson, CO, returning war vets tell of murder, rape, drugs, you name it.

It sounds like it was a free for all over there. No wonder they wanted us out of there.

Think soldiers wouldn't turn on American citizens under orders? I tend to disagree.



"If I was just a guy off the street, I might have hesitated to shoot," Marquez told The Gazette in the Bent County Correctional Facility, where he is serving a 30-year prison term. "But after Iraq, it was just natural."

The Army trains soldiers to be that way, said Kenneth Eastridge, an infantry specialist serving 10 years for accessory to murder.

"The Army pounds it into your head until it is instinct: Kill everybody, kill everybody," he said. "And you do. Then they just think you can just come home and turn it off."

news.yahoo.com...



I served in the US Army during the Vietnam era and I can tell you from first hand experience that:

A: If you are a soldier in a combat situation and for any reason, cannot bring yourself to perform (kill the enemy), you will die and maybe take a few of your comrades with you.

B: Most guys that did things like murder, rape, etc. were already screwed up before the Army got them. They would have likely done the same in a civilian setting sooner or later anyway. The Army should have culled these types to prevent them from getting into theater or even wearing the uniform... but the behavior in question was not due to training or doctrine.

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I dont think the lack of killing is a big problem with today's soldiers. The problem with to days soldiers is that they cant stop killing.

Soldier are thought how to kill and when to kill. But not when its time to stop. They dont know when they have won the battle and when its time to stop using force.



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