Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Kaytagg
Yeah but all you do under capitalism is just work all the time. There is no mention of the value of the human life, or, how employers should treat their employees in major pieces regarding capitalism. They just essentially say that workers are assets. I think that's a horrible view of the world. There are essentially flaws in all of these ideologies. Socialism is essentially the same as capitalism... it's a higher stage as to the intermediary to communism... but everything would be controlled by the workers. There would be no organization, no means, of, deciding who does what. And, it's like with communism... you'd not own anything.
Originally posted by Kaytagg
Originally posted by Frankidealist35
reply to post by Kaytagg
Humans don't have value, their labor has value. In capitalism, humans own their labor, and they sell it to whomever they want.
That's the whole thing. In capitalism essentially you forget humans. You forget people who make products. It's just about buying and selling stuff. Not too many people are occupied with thinking about the rest of the human race. They're just thinking about themselves, or, what DVD to buy. And what about the people that make those things? They take a lot of time around the factory, or, around whatever they're working at just working. They have hardly any time to themselves. A lot of this stuff could be automated and they could be doing other things. Capitalism gives no framework as to about how this should be done. Capitalism is an old ideology. It is old and oppressive.
Capitalists (as opposed to the laborers(the ones who work)) purchase the labor, own the land, machines, resources, and finished product.
That's under the false premise that no one else owns the land but people who buy it.
Capitalism works like this: A man walks into my kitchen. The man has nothing. I have flour, yeast, and an oven. I tell the man "Use my flower, yeast, and oven to cook a loaf of bread. In return, I'll give you 40% of the loaf back for yourself." That's capitalism.
No, that's not capitalism. That's your interpretation of it.
In reality, the amount of "bread" you get for cooking the loaf is negotiated on by the capitalist and laborer.
The laborer is free to cook in someone elses kitchen if someone else is willing to give more of the bread back for his services. And the capitalist is free to fire/hire whomever he wants, for whatever reason he wants.
Exactly. Capitalism is just about giving entrepreneurs more power over who controls what. It gives them essentially control of everything. It's therefore an oppressive ideology because the people who work under them have no input in what goes on- according to the capitalism theory- because the people in charge of making the product supposedly get to own everything about it and its contents, etc. This is the whole thing about what I'm saying. It's oppressive.
[edit on 18-7-2009 by Frankidealist35]
