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Originally posted by KSPigpen
It doesn't matter WHAT we call them....the result is the same...
I don't think either of us is really qualified to speak on behalf of the 'strategists' and other boneheads
If we KNOW he's in Pakistan, why are we not in Pakistan with 50 thousand troops killing women and children?
Last I checked, we didn't really have any proof that ANYONE was flying those planes...there are several discussions to that effect being played out currently...including some very experienced pilots claiming the maneuvers would have been impossible for pilots with the level of training of the alleged hijackers.
Again with the sarcasm?
When you found your sources about the number of civilian deaths, were any of those sources from the military? I doubt it. They've gone on record as stating they are not in the business of body counts. They don't care.
So, if I am to understand correctly, in your opinion, a civilian death caused by an IED, a suicide bomber or some other type of cowardly action should not apply towards the total civilian deaths?
I think you should understand that there would be little need for these cowards to be using these explosive devices, if the United States was not occupying their country militarily.
I'm not missing what you are saying. I'm following you perfectly well, I just don't agree with you about everything.
I agree that the issue of identification of targets is a huge concern. It leads to collateral damage and also ties the hands of the troops in the field to do their job.
I find it HIGHLY SUSPECT that Bin Laden, a very, VERY wealthy man would not have had the means, or desire to spread the fear, if he were in fact responsible.
Innocent until PROVEN guilty is the way it's supposed to work in this country.
If there is any doubt..ANY AT ALL, that these people did not commit the crime they were accused of, then we have no right to be chasing them down.
We are killing thousands of people...almost TEN TIMES the number of those killed on 911.
My question to you, is when does it stop? When is it enough? When have we filled our quota of justice?
Originally posted by dizzylizzy
The Taliban are in 14 countries, they will never be beaten by bullets.
There will come a time just as with the IRA when we all have to sit round the table. We did not go into Southern Ireland and kill civilians when they were bombing London and Manchester.
Originally posted by KSPigpen
The position I read in your words is yes, we should. There is no price to high, no amount of lives too important to preclude the bringing of one man, or a small group of men to justice.
I think I read you loud and clear. As far as you are concerned, the collateral damage, the loss of innocent lives, the billions of dollars, is all worth it, if we can bring Bin Laden to justice.
Not in you so much, as you relate your opinion eloquently and zealously. What brings me great sorrow is the perceived disparity in the worth of an American life and that of a person in Afghanistan.
If you give it enough time, you'll get that person your after, without having to become the murderers that you so righteously pursue.
Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
While we are talking about the complexities of Afghanistan can someone please answer me this. . . We the Brits, are meant to be just one country in a long line of UN or NATO countries which should have forces stationed in that hell hole. Why is that I only hear of Brits and Yanks being killed in action? Where are the Germans, Danes, Italians, Spanish, Canadians,etc?
Just what exactly is their role in this?
Originally posted by pudgeego
come on now , america cannot take on the world, we just simply have to free one country at a time, so that they meet the standards of the usa. i dont understand when people ask that question. is usa taking over the world? we have been doing that since thomas jefferson, look what we have conquered in the past to achieve the united states. we are just exspanding our borders. we are still exspanding. soon in the near future the other countries will be in the united axis group. U.A.G
Originally posted by Solomons
You will never defeat the taliban for the simple reason that ideologies cannot be killed with bullets and airstrikes.And trust me,the influx of pakistanis into Afghanistan will not stop unless you kill every single man,woman and child in the region.
Originally posted by prevenge
you know, OP.. nothing personal...
but if you really had ALL the miles of pages of data that are relevant to our ACTUAL purpose in Afghanistan, then you'd understand, and would THEN be able to make a concise decision as to how everything else should work and pan out.
but you don't neither do we, and most likely we will not.
so there's only mild surface-level ineffectual hypothesizing that's to b taking place..
we can debate and chat up a banter over this and that and what we think we know.. but in reality.. you won't know the truth.. and you won't have a say in wha the next step is..
REALLY you WONT.
so it's kind of pointless lol. it's CUTE .. what you're all doing here.. but you know.. pointless..
it's almost like you guys are playing a text only RPG here.. with pretend maps etc... because you haven't a clue as to the real complex of situations and agendas within agendas that are creating this all...
anyway.. as you were..