Michael Moore's next film will be about 'Capitalism'

Originally posted by kozmo
Here are the points I have issues with... First of all, Mr. Moore is being deliberately disingenuous with the title of his movie, "Capitalism" in that it is capitalism that allows him to make, sell and profit from his movies. Just as he was shilling against rich capitalists in a previous movie only to be discovered as large shareholder in numerous corporations! We call that hypocrisy.

Further, what he purports to present in his upcoming film is, in fact, not capitalism at all. It is socialism! Taking over private corporations, investment houses and banks and dictating how they do business is NOT a form of capitalism in any sense of the word - it is pure Socialism!

The point is that Mr. Moore is an unabashed opportunist who will sensationalize any leftist talking point to make himself a profit. I don't know whether to call him a hypocrite or a genius as his audience is clearly too dim to realize that they are being taking advantage of by a man who does not practice what he preaches. But, then again... do any liberals?

Talk like this is what is breaking SkepticOverlord's soul.

I think it's really time we all tried hard to stop dividing ourselves. I am as bad as anybody, but I think you really could have written that in a much more inclusive manner.

No need to bash those who disagree with you. I am no saint myself and I am not claiming you should do as I do, but you should try to do as I reccommend, we all should. We're all Americans, liberals and conservatives. And civil debate is an important part of our society, but lets not forget the civil part.

In conclusion I think you made some good points, I think left unchecked Capitalism or Socialism could be terrible. We must find a balance, but I think it will take alot more than the sorry excuse for bi-partisanism that goes on in Washington today.

I look forward to your reply, but I hope you'll be civil to me although I am an ignorant "liberal" if it's important for you to put a label on each person.

reply to post by jd140


Yes, he will capitalize on it. That's expected. There's two kinds of capitalism, there's the honest kind, then there's the looting kind. I used to not like the guy untill I gave his films a fair shake. He's always been spot on. The thing that people do not like about him is that his films make you see the ugly side of what is wrong with this country, and people do not like that. He doesn't make namby pamby feel good trash.

I look forward to this film. I look forward to the awareness of the rampant looting that we have been lead to believe that is capitalism. If he makes money at it, more power to him. He's providing a product, he's making people aware of what is going on, and it's good to make money doing that.

You'd rather he take billions in government handouts, have a multi-million redecoration of his bathroom with stockholder money? Get real.

The issue isn't how much Michael Moore weighs, or how he finances his movies, or even whether he uses capitalistic methods in a capitalist nation, it's "is he right?"

I disagree with parts of Moore's movies. I disagree with some of his omissions. I disagree with some of his conclusions.

But I have to admit he's often (not always) on target.

Yes, the recent collapse of Wall Street is the result of capitalism run amok. There is no difference between "corporatism" and "capitalism" in the America we live in now.

You might not like the messenger, but anyone who is wise will heed the message, even if you don't like it.

I cant stand people who judge him based on what he looks like. What are you, 13 years old?

Im going to watch this movie and Im going to use my intellect to investigate the facts of what is being said. You should try it. Deny ignorance is the freaking motto of the site.




[edit on 25-8-2009 by Copernicus]

Saw this yesterday. It made me laugh.

Millionaire Filmmaker Michael Moore: 'Capitalism Did Nothing For Me'

Documentary film director Michael Moore, who has become a millionaire thanks to the profits from his movies, told CNSNews.com that “capitalism did nothing” for him.

www.cnsnews.com...

At first I thought this was a headline for The Onion, but it turned out to be an actual news article on Michael Moore's income from the movies. It's like making a movie called "No one can make movies".

Originally posted by MysterE
I saw Michael Moore on TV this morning, and almost threw up in my mouth. I bet this film will flop like Sicko did.

-E-

interesting...there was a executive on TV recently that worked for SIGMA insurance that publicly stated that the movie SICKO was true and that Michael Moore had gotten it right. and for a documentary, it wasn't a flop, and its' turning out Moore was right, with all the evidence coming out.

reply to post by dbates


I thought that was a joke too. Then he tries to play it down by saying "documentaries dont make money." I guess when you're only getting 50 million while the Spielbergs are getting 200 million you're still just a poor blue-collar schlub.

Moore, has made it within the system. Made it beyond any reasonable expectations. It's his job now, as one of the elites, to close those doors he used and help create a solid subservient class wholly dependent on the elite class for everything so the Polanski's can have more children brought to them and Clinton's/Bush's/Obama's can reach deeper into our pockets to fill their coffers.

reply to post by Matrix Rising


mike moore is a toad... if you watch any moie he makes ... your a toad also...

if you pirate a film he makes , and make a million copies ... and give them to other for free... your not a toad , but your still being unkind ...


the best thing is apathy .

ignore him totaly , and pray god he will go away and leave the normal people alone .

Michael Moore and his fans all sicken me. They think the crap that he spews, which happens to be very one sided, is the holy truth. So the commie that is making money off of a capitalist society wants us all to hate said society? Yeah that makes sense.

If people were not so easily led by his propoganda then maybe I wouldn't have a problem with him, but as soon as I saw bowling for columbine, I knew the stupids would have ammo that made no sense.

Originally posted by Finn1916
Michael Moore and his fans all sicken me. They think the crap that he spews, which happens to be very one sided, is the holy truth. So the commie that is making money off of a capitalist society wants us all to hate said society? Yeah that makes sense.

If people were not so easily led by his propoganda then maybe I wouldn't have a problem with him, but as soon as I saw bowling for columbine, I knew the stupids would have ammo that made no sense.

Moore makes films that shows corporate greed and somehow it's propaganda.
this is ATS, where we are suppose to DENY IGNORANCE, and Moore presents a side, THAT IS DOING JUST THAT!!.

so what if he makes money...good for him...look at all the books, seminars, DVDs, being sold about aliens, abductions, spirits, ghosts, that people associated with this website are making money with.

but apparently a fat, ugly, high school educated, liberal that shows how capitalists are screwing you, are called every name in the book.

Originally posted by Finn1916
So the commie that is making money off of a capitalist society wants us all to hate said society? Yeah that makes sense.

And that's why its such a joke. He's been empowered to make millions of dollars precisely because he lives in a capitalist society and now, he expects us to buy this garbage about a system that he has exploited to his own advantage? Sure thing. Its blatant hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned.

Originally posted by vor78

Originally posted by Finn1916
So the commie that is making money off of a capitalist society wants us all to hate said society? Yeah that makes sense.

And that's why its such a joke. He's been empowered to make millions of dollars precisely because he lives in a capitalist society and now, he expects us to buy this garbage about a system that he has exploited to his own advantage? Sure thing. Its blatant hypocrisy as far as I'm concerned.

Oh please. There have been investment bankers who became critical of the system. There are former leaders of health insurance corporations who developed a distaste to how business is done. Heck, a lot of people are questioning legality and/or common sense (or lack thereof) of astronomical compensation packages for CEOs who put so many livelihoods at risk while being immune to same.

Like it or not, we are all parts of the system and I think it's OK to have a critical eye open on what's going on in the society. I think that a lot of that is pretty far from normal, and if Moore or anyone else exposes it (without leaving the society and becoming a monk or a hippie), more power to him. Of course some just like to bury their heads in sand.

reply to post by dbates


Well, it would appear that "Capitalism" has not hindered him from throwing first rate "Afterparty's" at "Swank Soho Locations" after premiering his film in New York.

Perhaps Esquire magazine freely donated the use of their multi-suite, pimp-pad to the highly altruistic, Mr Moore's jovial soiree.

reply to post by buddhasystem


Certainly there's corruption out there, but I don't need to be spoon fed blatant, hypocritical propoganda from Michael Moore to know that. Sorry if that offends you.

Originally posted by vor78
reply to post by buddhasystem

 

Certainly there's corruption out there, but I don't need to be spoon fed blatant, hypocritical propoganda from Michael Moore to know that. Sorry if that offends you.

Oh I'm not offended at all. I just think that a little propaganda can't hurt, especially when it goes against a far larger propaganda machine and Palin's "death panels".

Originally posted by Hastobemoretolife
reply to post by Toadmund

 

Is Michael Moore going to talk about how the corporations pay off our politicians and our politicians pass laws that create more barriers to entry so the mega corporations can make more money?

I don't know, I have not seen the film yet.

Is he being a hypocrite is what he is doing. Because we do not live in a capitalist system. We live in a corporatist system aka fascism.

If he addresses those issues and says that is an inherent flaw with capitalism then he is flat out lying.

Star for you, you are right, it is a bought and payed for lobbyist corporate fascismistic system. Sure Michael is a bit of a hypocrite, as a lot of us are, but, at the same time he has opened the eyes of a lot of people and encouraged dialogue for and against his opinions.
He reaches a lot of sheeple, who otherwise would have remained blissfully ignorant.

Oh, to embrace ignorance, that would be bliss!

Let me get this straight, he slams the very same folks he hangs out with?

Michael Moore no longer has any credibility.

Michael Moore Debuts Anti-Capitalist Documentary To Room Full Of Champagne Drinkers

Before the film, the crowd sipped champagne and cocktails in the “Morgan Stanley Lobby” and then headed to their seats in the “Citi Balcony.” Movie tickets were available at the “Bank of New York Box Office’’ and there’s outdoor seating at the “Credit Suisse Information Grandstand.”

Putting aside that Lincoln Center is a testament to Wall Street’s shameless attempts to turn donations into billboards, this temple of the arts also shows how capitalism is at the core of the highest levels of NYC’s culture scene from which Moore draws many followers and much acclaim.

In other words, Moore is throwing stones in a glass house he often frequents. Just look at how far Moore, a one-time assembly-line worker turned journalist turned documentary film maker has come since the 1989 debut of “Roger & Me,” in this same Lincoln Center. His journey alone exemplifies the social mobility made possible by the very economic system he savages in his latest film, which he has entitled “Capitalism: A Love Story.”

Then he should make a movie about when he became a fat rich white american.

If this country were turned into what Michael Moore wants, he would move
his citizenship and his money to another country, to escape the USA's
huge tax burden. Thankfully, not one penny (that I'm aware of) of my
money is making its way into this bozo's bank account.

I honestly believe that capitalism is a vary important topic that needs to be discussed and brought to public attention. With that being said I wish somebody else had made this movie so Michael Moore would not have tainted the subject. His movies are controversial within themselves, just because he made them.

Everybody talks about socialism as if it was the new communism. Watch out! That guy is a communist! When it comes down to the core of the matter there is no government system that know will not work. There are variations to every system that can work but we chose to demonize certain systems because they have failed in the past (and have been run by our enemies).

Guess what! I wouldn't be surprised if capitalism goes down in history as a failed system. It would not be due to government corruption, the failure would fall in the hands of corporate greed.

It amazes me how people can criticize one system and fall right into the trap of another. *News Flash*, there will never be a great system. The system is what is wrong with humanity; however, its necessary to survive.