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Crop Circles - Evidence Of Being Man Made

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posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 09:29 AM
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I already posted information about "radionuclide's" (radiation) found in the soil. It could be caused by contaminated water they used to water the crops. It's actually quite common because there is natural "radionuclide's" already found all over the Earth in the soil, and groundwater picks it up all the time. The irrigation in large crop farms is known to be contaminated.

Ive never seen any proof of genetic changes, or any proof that it wasn't done or couldn't be done by humans. I actually haven't even seen proof of chemical changes. All I have seen is information on a website that may or may not be telling the truth. No tests, no results, no evidence of "aliens".




posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 09:34 AM
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Originally posted by stander
Your are not observant enough to form any meaningful argument that would help to resolve the issue.



Who the heck are you? I am an image and video analyst and a licensed private investigator.



Originally posted by stander
You failed to take a shot at 27 = x + y.


No I didn't fail to take a shot at it, I just ignored it because there isn't 1 answer, there is actually many different answers. You are just trying to be sly, and epically failed.



Originally posted by stander
That means you can't separate ordinary from special and therefore can't separate man-made and not man-made. But you are surely entitled to voice your opinion -- if anyone is willing to listen.


What you just said means you don't know what you are talking about.

What does the difference between ordinary and special have to do with man-made or not man-made? NOTHING.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 09:51 AM
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Exactly.

Casual observation, photo's or vids, unless there is proof they are faked by whatever idiots of many possible reasons to fake...

One simply cannot qualify from just looking.

Tests are necessary to confirm or refute beyond doubt.

I can look at these formations and have opinions based on several vectors of analysis but because there are so many fakes now i stopped looking and guessing at pics etc though i will still take an interest it is by all accounts peripheral interest.

For myself, i would have to get visual representations of certain elements of differing sciences to cross correlate to hoards of photo's.

Others with the resources have better ability to factor databases and run pattern recog algorithms for cross correlation etc.

A lot of people have noticed the relation some of these symbols have to cutting edge particle physics and other fields and i do agree they are correct, in some there's some truley amazing things which cannot be co-incidental, but ya gotta look and that takes time.

Me, i've other things to get on with.

Hopefully some serious research will be disclosed in future years when some hardcore database crunching has been done, or not as the case may or may not be.

I believe some are a real phenomenon and unfortunately most are now faked, in my most humble opinion.


Paxus.




[edit on 6-7-2009 by DeltaPan]



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by cropmuncher
reply to post by ArMaP
 


what you been up to then


I see your point but have you seen the videos?

They clearly do not like the people in the fields in some and appears to be intimmidating behaviour in one.



It does indeed seem to indicate - STAY AWAY.

Haven't seen this video before. Well done for filming it in spite of intimidation.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by stander
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But you made an observation that the so called "crop circle researchers" never took into account. Suppose that you are right saying that the second phase was photographed after 2 days and the third phase was photographed after 7 days. That means the last two phases that create one formation look like this: 27.

Now, can you solve this equation: 27 = x + y ?

If you solve it and justify your solution, then maybe you make the ETs happy to see that "Homo sapiens" or "Man the Wise" really means what it suggests. Give it a shot, think it over. Maybe you can reinstall their professional pride. Turning monkeys into speaking monkeys can prove a disaster. Oh well . . .

In case this formation is man-made . . . Don't tell me that you wouldn't be able to solve an equation set up by some hoaxers that can't possibly fool you, right?


[edit on 7/6/2009 by stander]


Assuming that the days it took actually has any bearing at all about your equation the answer is pretty simple.

27 = x + y

2 days for the second phase to appear after the first
7 days for the third to appear after the second

27 = x + y

The answer is that it took 20 people 7 days to finish it.

27 = 20 people + 7 days

There it is. The answer.

Prove it wrong.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 03:29 PM
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My question to you was simple, you didn't answer it. From what we

"KNOW", humans are the only life capable of doing this sort of thing, FROM

WHAT WE KNOW. So if it isn't humans you must have some sort of

scientific evidence to the contrary, I'm not being Rude either it's a simple

question, very straight forward and very easy for you to answer. All you

gotta do is enlighten me by explaining what other life for,m that we know

of could have done this. I'm not bashing anyone's "research", I'm simply

saying that "research" is all it is, and until Alien's and or some other

Earthly lifeform emerge that has enough intelligence to perform such a feet

then Humans are responsible. I didn't mention military, I didn't even

mention hoaxers, I just called them humans because we are the

only "CONCRETE INTELLIGENT LIFEFORM ON THIS PLANET THAT ANYONE

KNOWS OF". Hopefully my question is clarified.

[edit on 6-7-2009 by NoJoker13]



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 03:30 PM
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If people are so concerned with these crop circles being a hoax, then why dont they post night-vision cameras all over the fields where these things usually show up???
Also, dont you think it would be extremely difficult for humans to create these things at night? You would need a really big flashlight and measuring tools to pull these off.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 03:34 PM
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Why don't the same people who are "claiming" this is alien or some sort of

military technology put up the same cameras your talking about. Because

fact of the matter is a theory is false untill proven true and since Human's

are the only intelligent lifeforms on the planet "THAT WE KNOW OF", then

humans must be responsible. It's the people saying that this is Alien or

otherwise that need to prove this as a fact because the people saying that

people are creating these are 100% correct from what we know

as "SCIENTIFIC FACT".



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 03:36 PM
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Question why can't the Crop Circle creators for sake of argument who might not be college students ,farmers ,or some company paying people to make these in the same area or field be made by an unknown force ?

i.e Ets from another world , an unknown cosmic energy that we have not been able to tap into etc .

I understand some crop Circles have been Hoaxed and Manmade.

The question is how can all of them be Manmade .

Manmade Circles have no tone or pitich sound within them .

I once saw a lecture by Colin Andrews and he showed a film where a real Crop Circle has a pitich or sound being picked up by special sound equipment that investigators used.

Will just have to see what appears next in the Farm fields over in England.

You have a number of ways to know if a Crop Circle is real talk to people like Colin Andrews who been researching Crop Circles for years and on of the best experts in the field.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 04:22 PM
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"Real" crop circle might just be an oxymoron. For all the "proof" these "researchers" have, none of it has been proven to be "FACT". So in all actuallity, they're real because I can see them but they are manmade because we have "zero" factual proof to the contrary.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 07:26 PM
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Actually, I DO know the "tricks of the trade" when it comes to laying things on the ground. I do it for a living.

If you disagree with what I say, I don't care. I haven't made a single authorative statement other than the fact that I think the explaination of people laying these things in the field incognito is bunk.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 07:28 PM
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"Then who exactly are you arguing for? "

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Reread my statements.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 07:49 PM
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Originally posted by 0nce 0nce

Originally posted by stander
Your are not observant enough to form any meaningful argument that would help to resolve the issue.



Who the heck are you? I am an image and video analyst and a licensed private investigator.



Originally posted by stander
You failed to take a shot at 27 = x + y.


No I didn't fail to take a shot at it, I just ignored it because there isn't 1 answer, there is actually many different answers. You are just trying to be sly, and epically failed.



Originally posted by stander
That means you can't separate ordinary from special and therefore can't separate man-made and not man-made. But you are surely entitled to voice your opinion -- if anyone is willing to listen.


What you just said means you don't know what you are talking about.

What does the difference between ordinary and special have to do with man-made or not man-made? NOTHING.

Does your private investigator job include investigating events outside this planet; are you familiar with customs and reasoning of the members of an ET society that some folks with academic credentials (SETI) trying to locate? What kind of nutty idea tells you to dismiss the option that there are other folks living in this universe? Secondly, how do you know that the members of this ET society don't make the circles the way that they would strongly resemble those which were confirmed to be man-made?

So you didn't look at the equation, because "there isn't one answer." That's the evidence there you were never exposed and asked to investigate hypothetical environment which offers more than one option to consider. That means you don't know how to compare and decide which option fits the circumstance the best. For you, 1 + 26, 2 + 25 or 3 + 24 is the same despite the fact that you see DIFFERENT numbers. You drag your kitchen experience into you conclusion, but the universe doesn't resemble your kitchen. You are sitting tight in the straitjacket of your acquired earthly stereotypes making statements about something that your closed mind can't possibly ponder.

What does the difference between special and ordinary have something to do with man-made and not man-made crop circles? Well, for example, the man-made kind don't make sense -- they are illogical, random display of some landscape art, as opposed to the special ones that are informative in various ways, like suggesting the approach to the solution of the top three unsolved problems in mathematics.

You are completely unfamiliar with the environment in question and know nothing about the development of the manifestation in 1980s, the first and the most important phase of the circle making. You don't even know that the phenomenon has gone through three distinct phases -- that's because everything looks the same to you. That's why you go ahead and spread around the idea that ALL man-made circles are worthless hoax. You just can't possibly anticipate that not all folks on this planet are hopelessly dumb not to try to communicate with the ETs by making crop circles. You make one with a meaningful design. You get the answer and do what it suggests . . . Bingo! Of course, you are not going to talk about it. Too many folks would hit the fields to learn the tricks that Man hasn't invented yet -- and probably never will.

Alright. Hit that equation and pick one option you like the best. Or you want to be called by the ET chicks "that dumb speaking monkey" to the rest of your life? Come on . . . it's a child's play. It's really easy. If you noticed the 2 and 7 that forms 27, you should be able to solve 27 = x + y. Don't make the ET shrinks wonder for too long.





[edit on 7/6/2009 by stander]



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 08:41 PM
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Hi there - im sorry mate i didnt realise you asked me that question - was tired last night


If you read back along my posts you will notice i havnt said once that aliens have made them. Ive been carefull not too.

You are technically right in that the fact we dont actually know (although that is debateable but another topic) if aliens exsist or not and so the only logical explanation can be humans although that doesent mean they are responsible.

There is no actual proof the bible is anything more than a story book yet it is generally considered true as the courts even use them to swear an oath by.

Does god exsist? show me proof! - you cant yet many will say i wouldnt be here if he didnt exsist.

If your asking me for my opinion on what is behind them then i will just repeat what i have already stated here,

That in my opinion many or most are made by man from the ground but not all!

There is a genuine phenomenon, whether that be a paranormal cause or some advanced man made technology cause - truth is i dont know and niether do you.
You are using your opinion as fact to back up your reasoning & that is fine but flawed however.

There is undisputable evidence that something has been & occasionally still is happening in the fields.

There's loads of good research & data on the anomalies despite some folks on here refusing to ackowledge it as kosha - thats just there get out clause and i am not about to debate on its validity, i shouldnt have to as many scientists and research teams have done this work & its all there to study online.

I used to have theories as to what caused them ( the real ones), hell i used to think it was ufo's landing, but the more i researched it (properly by visiting sites and investigating myself) the more i realised i didnt have the answers.

Now you can make all the conclusions yourself by looking at pictures and reading forums etc but untill you have been to the scene and thoroughly investigated it you can only guess.

Do i think aliens are involved? who knows? but i do know the govt are interested in it from the hundreds of witnesses of military helicopters hovering over/landing near circles etc - you have seen the vids and theres loads more but fail to see why you need more.

The balls of light are real, the govt know about them, they seem to be interested in the circles, and maybe - just maybe they are involved in there construction - i just dont know.


Now who is to say the govt are not behind the man made ones as a ploy to discredit the research because they know theres a real issue here.

It would certainly answer why we still dont know who is behind it & they would certainly have the tech to pull it off - night vision, logistics, financing, manpower etc...

I hope i have answered your question nj


Now if i said aliens did them - god told me where does that leave us


[edit on 6/7/09 by cropmuncher]



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 08:50 PM
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Here are the blt researchers current consultant, just the blt ones & thats without looking up the uk ones.


Current Consultants

BUDINGER, Phyllis .................................................. Analytical Chemist
M.S. in Organic Chemistry, Miami University--1964
Research Scientist for BP/Amoco Oil Company (previously Standard Oil) for 35 years, with specialized experience in petroleum, chemical & polymer analyses using spectroscopic techniques (IR, NMR).
Working knowledge of most other analytical techniques.
Currently: Technical Director, Frontier Analysis, Ltd. Laboratory --
Chagrin Falls, Ohio.


CONRAD, Diane L. ................................................................ Geologist
M.S. in Geological Sciences and Clay Chemistry,State University
of New York (SUNY)--1984
State Geologist at the Vermont Agency of Natural Resources, 1991-1995; Director of Environmental Programs for Salt Lake Organizing Committee, Olympic Winter Games, 2002.
Currently: President, Maka Cante Associates -- Tucson, Arizona.


IYENGAR, Dr. Sampath S. .............................. Geochemist/Mineralogist
Ph.D in Materials Chemistry/Mineralogy, VA Tech--1980
M.S. in Soil Physical Chemistry, VA Tech--1972
Materials Science specialist, with strong background in the analytical characterization of materials. Developed XRD method for characterization and analysis of pharmaceutical compounds in multi-component mixtures.
Currently: Analytical Manager, Technology of Materials Laboratory --
Wildomar, California.




KASHER, Dr. John C. (Jack) ..................................................... Physicist
Ph.D in Physics, Boston College -1970
M.S. in Physics, Boston College -1967
Physics Faculty, University of Nebraska at Omaha, 1969-2001
Peter Kiewit Distinguished Professor, 1981-1987
Excellence in Teaching Award, 1985
Burlington Northern Foundation Faculty Achievement Award, 1986
Consultant and Summer Employee, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory,1975-1992, specializing in electromagnetic theory, EMP, microwave radiation, electron beams.
Worked on the Star Wars Defense System.
NASA’s Jove Initiative Program, 1991-1998, specializing in supergranules
on the surface of the sun.
Currently: Professor Emeritus of Physics, University of Nebraska at Omaha



RAGHAVAN, Dr. Ravi ............................ Chemical Engineer/Statistician
Ph.D in Chemical Engineering,Purdue University--1978
(specializing in Mathematical Modeling and Computer Simulation of Processes)
Leader of Unit Operations, Project "Aspen," M.I.T., 1979
Senior Systems Engineer, BF Goodrich, 1980 - 1997
Extensive training (Black Belt Six Sigma) in Applied Statistics.
Currently: President, Raghavan & Associates, Inc. -- Cleveland, Ohio.


REITER, Nicholas A. ........................................... SEM/EDS Technician
Associate Degree (2-yr.) in Applied Sciences--1983
(Terra Technical College, Fremont, Ohio)
Since1984 has worked in fields of engineering technology, vacuum technology, thin films and high-temperature semiconductor chemistry. Also works on research projects in association with the McMaster Foundation for Gravity Research.
Currently:Scientist, First Solar LLC -- Toledo, Ohio.


ROLL, Dr. William ..................................................... Parapsychologist
Ph.D, Parapsychology, Lund University (Sweden)--1989
M.Litt, Oxford University (England)--1957
B.A., University of California at Berkeley--1949
Roll joined the staff of the Parapsychology Laboratory at Duke University in 1957, working under Dr. J.B. Rhine until 1964. He has authored more than 100 scientific papers, edited eleven volumes of Research in Para-psychology, and written three books. In 1996 he received the "Distinguished Career in Parapsychology" award from the Parapsychological Association and in 2002 was awarded the "Dinsdale Memorial Award" for his investigations of R.S.P.K.
Currently: Adjunct Professor of Parapsychology, State University of West Georgia -- Carrollton, GA.



SCHILD, Dr.Rudolph E. ................................. Astronomer/Astrophysicist


PhD in Astrophysics, University of Chicago--1966
M.S. in Physics, University of Chicago--1963


Previous positions include: Research Fellow, Mt. Wilson/Palomar
Observatories; Scientific Director, 60" Telescope Program, Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory; Lecturer , Harvard University.
Professional Societies: American Astronomical Society (1965)
and the International Astronomical Union (1969 ), where he
is a member of Commission 29 (Stellar Spectra), Commission
45 (Stellar Classification), and Commission 51 (Bioastronomy:
Search for Extraterrestrial Life).
Currently: Astronomer, Harvard-Smithsonian Center for
Astrophysics, Cambridge, Massachusetts USA.



STEARMAN, DR. ROBERT O. .............................. Aeronautical Engineer
Ph.D in Aeronautical Engineering, Cal Tech--1961
M.S. in Aeronautical Engineering, Cal Tech--1956
B.S. in Mechanical Engineering, Oklahoma State Univ.--1955
In addition to teaching both graduate and undergraduate courses in reliability, unsteady aerodynamics, random vibrations, aeroelasticity and structural dynamics since 1963, Professor Stearman has worked with the Boeing Co. as an Aerodynamist and as a Senior Analyst in the Mathematics and Physics Division of the Midwest Research Institute. His consulting experience includes work for the Air Force and several D.O.D.-funded programs at wind tunnel research facilities at NASA Ames and NASA Langley and at Air Force-owned AEDC facilities. Most of this work involved research on aeroelastic-related phenomena. Dr. Stearman has published multiple papers in refereed journals and is an active member of several professional societies, including the AIAA, ASA, SAE, ASEE and the EAA.
Currently: Bettie Margaret Smith Professor of Engineering, Aerospace Engineering and Engineering Mechanics Dept., University of Texas at Austin.


Previous Consultants:


LEVENGOOD, W.C. ........................................................... Biophysicist
M.S. in Biophysics, University of Michigan--1970
M.A. in Bioscience, Ball State University--1961
Research physicist at the Institute of Science and Technology and the Department of Natural Resources, University of Michigan, 1961-1970; Director of Biophysical Research for private-sector companies, 1970-1983. Has published 50+ papers, in professional scientific journals, including Nature and Science. Three papers (1994; 1995; 1999) present results of laboratory work on crop circle plants and soils.
Currently: pursuing multiple research interests at Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory -- Grass Lakes, MI.


REYNOLDS, Dr. Robert C., Jr. .................... Geologist/Clay Mineralogist
Ph.D in Geology, Washington University--1955
B.A. in Geology, Lafayette College--1951
Asc.A. in Chemistry, Keystone Junior College--1949
Roebling Medal Recipient of the Mineralogical Society of America, 2000;
Frederick Hall Chair of Mineralogy, Dartmouth College, 1989-1997;
President, Clay Minerals Society, 1991-1992;
Chairman, Department of Earth Sciences, Dartmouth College, 1983-86;
Currently: Frederick Hall Professor of Geology and Mineralogy, Emeritus, Dartmouth College -- Hanover, NH.
Dr. Reynolds was a world-recognized expert in X-ray diffraction analysis of finely-dispersed layer compounds and, particularly, of clay minerals.


I will find you some of the uk ones too.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 09:04 PM
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Crop circle research sites -

www.cropcircleresearch.com...

www.bltresearch.com...

www.colinandrews.net...

An interesting theory on what they mean.

cropcircleship.com...


Google Video Link



Google Video Link


To say the research isnt worth anything is ridiculas.



posted on Jul, 6 2009 @ 09:57 PM
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Originally posted by HolgerTheDane


Assuming that the days it took actually has any bearing at all about your equation the answer is pretty simple.

27 = x + y

2 days for the second phase to appear after the first
7 days for the third to appear after the second

27 = x + y

The answer is that it took 20 people 7 days to finish it.

27 = 20 people + 7 days

There it is. The answer.

Prove it wrong.

I cannot PROVE something that is numerically correct wrong. It is like asking me to prove that 1 + 1 = 2, which cannot be proven, because 1 + 1 = 2 is not a theorem -- it's a axiom, which doesn't require any proof mainly because it's impossible to do so.

But I can wonder -- and I mean big time -- about your hard-to-understand choice to mix "real" with a "concept" and include the parameter "people" into the x uknown variable when 2 and 7 are time-related data (days). Which option would you pick?

a) time = money
b) time = people

You picked the option (b), and I wonder why, coz most of the other guys picked the option (a) that says "time is money."

I really don't understand your solution 27(time) = 20(people) + 7(time).

I do understand that 1 apple + 2 oranges = 3 pieces of fruit, but I can't figure out 1 person + 2 days = 3 (what?)


I took my plank the last night and asked the aliens if they could solve the equation, but they just replaced the x and y uknown variables:

27 = m + d

Can you figure this out? I can't ask Once Once, coz he caught a mental flu or somethin'.


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posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by Towlie-ban
 

since Human's
are the only intelligent lifeforms on the planet "THAT WE KNOW OF", then
humans must be responsible. It's the people saying that this is Alien or
otherwise that need to prove this as a fact because the people saying that
people are creating these are 100% correct from what we know
as "SCIENTIFIC FACT".


My, well, you seem to know everything there is to know.
So you must know that in recent years science knows for a fact higher levels of dimensionality exist.
Right here on Terra, phased dimensions slightly offset to ours, Humans are simply non cogniscent of these dimensions because of limited sensory perceptions.
We are not some all powerful entity in the Multiverse, we are microbes with limited capacity.
Look elsewherere in the linear universe, what about Lyman-Alpha blobs?
They are there, the most massive things observed, but can only be observed using ONE extremely narrow frequency of light far out in the UV band, super massive structures expansive to more than 400,000 light years across.
The space we inhabit in the 3rd dimension on this planet is but one and even in that dimension our sensory perception by and large is narrow and even other mammals can see things we are incapable of.
Given that above the 5th dimension, something can navigate across hyper-spacial axis, things can emerge in this 3rd dimension in linear time-space, from the other side of the observable universe or any fractal of the multiverse for that matter, in theory.
But these higher levels are now being proved by quantum physics, they exist alright, 20 years ago scientific convention was calling the dimensional theorists barking mad, now it is PROVED and accepted.
So, very knowledgeable people on this planet now accept we share higher levels of dimensionality and beings could share this planet on another level of phased dimensionality.
What is to stop some entity from elsewhere in the cosmos or even something occupying Terra at the same time as us, trying to explain things by fracturing phased dimensionality and causing crop formation phenomenon and they have to employ some form of particle excitation such as plasma, to influence this phased dimension to convey something.
If beings we cannot perceive do share this planet with us but are far more advanced in their understandings of the nature of existence and can see what is happening further down the linear path we are stuck in.
They can see what is also their planet as much as ours and the biodiversity of this dimensional constant.
Maybe some of those formations are telling us how to develop sciences in hope we listen and stop moving towards not just wiping out all life on Terra but potentially ripping the entire planet apart.
Mars may have beings on it which exist on another level of dimensionality and if this planet is destroyed it will alter planetary orbits system wide and that will affect them, maybe the are giving Humans a clue hoping to prevent wholesale destruction of Terra somewhere in the future. [In mythology, maybe similar to Tiamats' fate.]
I mean, this is just what if whilst pointing out, what you think you know about the extent of existence and what is or is not, is tiny compared to what science already knows and is proving and is discovering things you wouldn't imagine but people will have to adjust a bit before the many are given facts because some of these things are mind blowing.
Most people can barely achieve a galactic consciousness and understanding, many still have a problem understanding our system of Sol.
As for proof, pfffft.
Go and study cosmology, quantum physics and stop deriding things as if you know everything. Nobody does.

At present, the saying, the more you know, the more you know you don't know., is a truism moreso than any time in centuries past.



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:17 AM
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But since you know about other dimensions then you must know that there are over hundreds of theories that claim to know just how many there are. So in all factuality humans are still the most intelligent life in the galaxy well at least known to man. So where are you going with this rant? You didn't explain anything but just solidify my answer, so with our knowledge of science could you tell me a lifeform with more intelligence then humans?? Hmmmm science teach????



posted on Jul, 7 2009 @ 11:39 AM
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I have absolutely no reason to do research. Thats for the people who actually think spending their time in this fashion is productive. I've seen alot of anomalies but nothing concrete and for that reason see this as a 95% hoax done by people with far to much time on their hands. Has anyone ever stopped to think that they may be making these circles differently then just the classic technique??? Because I haven't seen much from these "new" crop circles in lines of the actual ground there on and how the wheat is layed down. I'll leave the research to you, prove one thing true and maybe I'll start to listen. Scientists work on all sorts of projects, it doesn't necessarily mean they're factual. Theory is called theory for a reason, at the moment that all these people have. I'd like some concrete proof like the common knowledge that if you jump off of a 500 foot building onto asphalt you will die. But hey I always ask for to much. I think you've invested alot of time in this and I praise your hard work but there is zero facts to show for it, just anomalies.



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