Obama gets ally for health care plan: Wal-Mart, page 2
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reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 07:02 AM by nixie_nox
reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


LOL neither have you.

Honey on every discussion you try so hard to degrade me, your effort is commendable but it only shows that you are losing the battle. I have yet to see you provide any valid information,to backup your banter.

Walmart making an announcement this time is nothing more then opportunistic. If walmart is anything, it is some of the most brilliant marketing ever. That is their success. To try to link an unpopular compny to Obama is a very suave tactic on your part. But just as walmart is unpopular here, it is obviously popular everywhere else. Its a no win situation.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 07:38 AM by marg6043
reply to post by thisguyrighthere


Bingo!!!! they have been planning to have those walking clinics in their stores for a while, just like some mall do.

Does anybody remember that when it was talks about Wal-mart opening their own clinics?.

Darn they are just thinking like the monopoly they are and they can have the government backing them up.

What a joke.

I wonder if they will bring doctors from China to their clinics



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 10:34 AM by jibeho
reply to post by marg6043


They recently closed the McDonald's located within my local Wally World. What a great spot for one of these new clinics. The graduates from the Grenada School of Medicine have to set up shop somewhere.

This type of private/government relationship is never good. All the more reason not to shop at Wal Mart.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 10:45 AM by marg6043
reply to post by jibeho


My oh, my, they have a bank now they will have a chunk of the health care business, while kissing Obama butt.



Funny but hey most of the doctors you find on hospitals around are actually from India. no that they are not good doctors actually many of them are very nice and friendly, but what about American doctors, or we just don't made them anymore.



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:27 PM by David9176
reply to post by marg6043




Your primary health care provider, will be Wal-Mart


What's crazy is that many people HATE Wal-Mart and everything it stands for...and many of those people want universal health care.

Will they suddenly fall in love with Wal-Mart....or will they see what the real deal is with this?


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:44 PM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by David9176


this is probably the most twisted post i've read here today. i'm mesmerized by the logic.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:50 PM by marg6043
reply to post by David9176


Well universal it its not, we all know that, but with Obama creation jobs you know turning private defense contracting jobs into government while cutting salaries my husband and I will be lining up at the wal-mart clinics very soon.



Yes my husband have until December to comply with government set rules to become a government worker, occurs with a substantial pay cut.

The irony.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 03:57 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by David9176
WASHINGTON - Wal-Mart is the latest in a line of traditionally Republican-leaning businesses to embrace key portions of President Barack Obama’s bid to overhaul health care, a trend that could complicate opponents’ efforts to build a united front when Congress ramps up its work on the issue this summer. Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer, on Tuesday endorsed the idea of requiring large companies to offer health insurance to their workers. The proposal is central to Obama’s hopes of covering the nation’s nearly 50 million uninsured and is disliked by some business groups. Wal-Mart was joined by a major labor union that sometimes has criticized the company’s relatively stingy employee benefits.



www.msnbc.msn.com...

Excuse me? What? Why would Wal-mart want this? You'd think they'd hate to have to do this....so why do they support it?

Because it will crush their competitition.....ONCE AGAIN....what the government has in sight just makes large multinational corporations MORE POWERFUL and STRONGER...and hurts SMALL BUSINESSES!!!

CRIPES.



I agree, my point is to address the fact that being so pro big business and so anti government only considers the weaker side of the problem. My analysis is that the BIG business needs to get out of politics and we all
need to take the government back from these entities. I think ultimately the problem of government is that it is influenced by $$$ and when citizens effectively take the side of big business this problem will never be fixed. However to put a stop to this many of you will have to rethink the idea that all government action is BAD action. For with out action the system will never change and these behemoths will keep on keepin on.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:07 PM by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator




My analysis is that the BIG business needs to get out of politics and we all need to take the government back from these entities. I think ultimately the problem of government is that it is influenced by $$$ and when citizens effectively take the side of big business this problem will never be fixed. However to put a stop to this many of you will have to rethink the idea that all government action is BAD action. For with out action the system will never change and these behemoths will keep on keepin on.


I agree...corporations should not be considered to have the rights of a "person" which they do. Anti-trust laws need to be enforced...Nafta needs to be repealed..or at least reformed to add more tariffs to imports. Also, campaign finance reform need to happen to stop lobbying..I'd rather pay for campaign money with taxes than watch big business dictate who wins elections.

That is good government action. What they are doing now IMO is most definitely not.

The Dems are just as much bought as the Republicans are...the only difference is who owns them.

I don't think Conservatives defend big business....at least I don't. If either party would speak out against nafta...then I could believe that one of them is against big business and instead for small business and american workers...but they are not.

Single Payer healthcare isn't going to happen, and I know many people want it. Even with complete control of our government by Dems....too many are bought....and now hopefully Liberals will begin to see that.

It's both parties. If neither Conservatives or Liberals cannot get what they want when their so called "parties" have both had control over all branches of government.....this should be a wake up call.


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:12 PM by David9176
reply to post by marg6043


Yeah, the whole point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that even with Wal-mart now wanting to agree to provide health-care...they aren't doing it for the greater good, it's all about money and crushing the competition.

Single Payer health care isn't going to happen and I know that many people want it. Instead what will pass is a disaster.

I'm not for single payer health care either...I don't want the Fed running our healthcare....but I do agree changes need to be made...the current pace of prices is completely unsustainable.



reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 04:37 PM by mental modulator
Originally posted by mental modulator
Originally posted by David9176
WASHINGTON - Wal-Mart is the latest in a line of traditionally Republican-leaning businesses to embrace key portions of President Barack Obama’s bid to overhaul health care, a trend that could complicate opponents’ efforts to build a united front when Congress ramps up its work on the issue this summer. Wal-Mart, the nation’s largest private employer, on Tuesday endorsed the idea of requiring large companies to offer health insurance to their workers. The proposal is central to Obama’s hopes of covering the nation’s nearly 50 million uninsured and is disliked by some business groups. Wal-Mart was joined by a major labor union that sometimes has criticized the company’s relatively stingy employee benefits.



www.msnbc.msn.com...

Excuse me? What? Why would Wal-mart want this? You'd think they'd hate to have to do this....so why do they support it?

Because it will crush their competitition.....ONCE AGAIN....what the government has in sight just makes large multinational corporations MORE POWERFUL and STRONGER...and hurts SMALL BUSINESSES!!!

CRIPES.



I agree, my point is to address the fact that being so pro big business and so anti government only considers the weaker side of the problem. My analysis is that the BIG business needs to get out of politics and we all
need to take the government back from these entities. I think ultimately the problem of government is that it is influenced by $$$ and when citizens effectively take the side of big business this problem will never be fixed. However to put a stop to this many of you will have to rethink the idea that all government action is BAD action. For with out action the system will never change and these behemoths will keep on keepin on.


OH and one more thing D...

You said, "what the government has in sight", I think you are looking at the equation wrong...

If you can visualize the lobbyists and lawyers big business utilizes to achieve such feats... The cripesy action STARTS on the big business side, they do the work, grease careers and bend the arms. Government just easily capitulates because thats the way power works.

But think about it a bit, it has taken me two years to distill this down to this point.

If you really want a new brand of liberty you need to look at both BB and GOV, I have found that the reason most legislation helps big business is because it was a big business initiative in the first place. All of you seem to think there is power behind the government and if you look carefully it is private power working to influence public policy.

As with healthcare... WE PAY TWICE AS MUCH,,, why??? Because the entire sector has
150,000,000 people who protect their power on a grass roots level. These people assume that any government action is bad, now categorically that is inaccurate, never the less they pay 50% more money to keep there machine growing, taking more, essentially writing their own rules. Like I said I find it really ironic that fiscally minded people would champion the less inefficient model. Big business not only has the government in their pockets, it has the citizens maintaining their own bondage in this case. This is why I say "socialism's" so much, for it is just a simple method to keep the real power, powerful. I think if you were willing to abandon the things you assume you are in line with sometimes, you could see how "your" political spin in practice feeds the government ineptitude.

JUST imagine if their were a good intentioned government base willing to remedy the
healthcare situation. I assure you the calls of socialism would be the first and best line of defense to assure that things never change. Even though in my little scenario we both know the "good governments" real goal is to produce results, the MAIN STREAM argument would go to the socialism/government control stage. Like I said maintaining the PTB and maintaining the corruption in government. Many of the people who cry out "socialism's", are the same people who will get their pocket pillaged when it is their turn to be sick. It is a form of old English citizen self policing that only hurts themselves.

This is all ideological BTW... But I think people like yourself who really want change need to reevaluate and stop listening to many of these notions provided by people who
depend on corporate ad dollars. The rules we have been taught are not iron clad, they are theory and in some cases manipulation that goes hand in hand with the maintenance of TRUE POWER. The men behind the government...

MY father passed away two weeks ago and the bill to his "estate" owes for his illness is 2.3 million dollars! Amen and god bless America!


reply posted on 2-7-2009 @ 05:17 PM by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator




MY father passed away two weeks ago


First and foremost, I'm very sorry for your loss and I'm sure he was a good man. I know it's a terrible thing to deal with...I've already lost my mother at a young age...and I dread the day I have to bury my father...who has cancer as you now.

Good wishes to you and hang in there man.


But I think people like yourself who really want change need to reevaluate and stop listening to many of these notions provided by people who depend on corporate ad dollars. The rules we have been taught are not iron clad, they are theory and in some cases manipulation that goes hand in hand with the maintenance of TRUE POWER. The men behind the government...


I agree with you in some regard. I think you may have noticed how my views have changed since I first posted in the political forums....which has been a year now. I see many things differently than I did then and it's really from what I've learned and read...not from what I've seen on television...although when I see something that I agree with I will usually post it here as you know.

In reality, it's the power of trans-national corporations and the controllers of world currency that have all of the control. The people have no real control...and this goes with any country. What I find shameful is that this country was built for freedom...although a bit flawed in it's inception at the time...especially due to slavery and women's rights.

I really believe that the first step to getting things back to normal is repealing NAFTA...this would put a nail in the giant corporations. Would it hurt us in the short run? Absolutely...but eventually jobs will come back.....enforce anti-trust laws.....let small businesses compete instead of being swallowed up by the giant corps.

I know I'm repeating myself...but many of the things that were already in place years ago worked well....although not perfect. Health care costs never used to be this high....and it wasn't because government controlled health care...because they didn't.

The problem with more government control is the same problem that coincides with big business....power and greed corrupts...always. I do not trust it....I don't trust either...which is why I think everything should be small...there should be no businesses to big to fail...and our government shouldn't be too big to fail as well.

Look at everything right now......both are too big to fail right now....and they most likely will fail.

And it's not that I'm against government...government is needed....it just needs to be limited. People need to have control. They don't have it right now.
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