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Originally posted by James Random
The year next year is 1984.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by burntheships
Brother I stand with you, but there nothing we can do till untill all of America feels the choke hold, Soon the time for war will be upon us but not quite yet.
Over 650 scientists have put their names to a US Senate Minority report that challenges the contention of the UN's International Panel on Climate Change that there is a scientific "consensus" on the causes of global warming.
the United Nations is proceeding....to implement a global plan to create a new international socialist order financed by global taxes on the American people....
.....consider adoption of a document calling for “new voluntary and innovative sources of financing initiatives to provide additional stable sources of development finance"…
.....The most “popular” proposals, which could generate tens of billions of dollars in revenue for global purposes, involve taxes on greenhouse gas emissions and financial transactions such as stock trades.
The document was agreed to at an informal meeting of expert “facilitators” and was made available on Monday afternoon at 3 p.m. It is doubtful that any changes will be made to it.
The conference was postponed from June 1-3 and will now take place June 24-26 at the U.N. in New York....
Now, as President, Obama can bypass the Congress and simply direct his Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice to approve the U.N. conference document. Then the pressure will be increased on Congress to come up with the money and satisfy our “international commitments.”
131. Hence, the political feasibility of additional mechanisms and innovative sources of
financing such as emission rights trading and financial transactions taxes should be
enhanced. These and other innovative sources of finance are discussed in Chapter 5.
“More than ten times the amount of radiation released during atmospheric testing [of nuclear bombs] has been released from DU weaponry since 1991,” said Leuren Moret, a U.S. nuclear scientist. “The genetic future of the Iraqi people, for the most part, is destroyed. The environment now is completely radioactive.”
“Because DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, the Middle East will, for all practical purposes, be radioactive forever.”....
....Inhaled or ingested DU particles are highly toxic, and DU has been classified as an illegal weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations.
Look, we can rant and rave about market manipulation and government-sponsored games. We can petition the SEC, the FBI and Congress. We can demand that they stop it all we want. But they haven't and likely won't until and unless America gets pissed off enough to force them to act. So how do we make that happen, yet remain within the law? Its not that hard, and in the intermediate and longer-term it would be incredibly positive for our economy and nation. We go on a consumption strike until and unless our demands are met.
Originally posted by frostback
It is a truely frightening times to be alive. Being Canadian I only have a passing understanding of the U.S. constitution , but it would seem to me that it is under attack and when the SHTF down there we will surely be in trouble up here. I have to agree with the previous post untill you step up you will be steped on.
Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by miragezero
Yes we can not all agree on everything...and thanks for posting that link.
Just saying there is no logical way conclude that more legislation (this cap and trade) on this environmental issue will save the earth, or even make it "greener"
Am I to trust a government that has created agencys to watch over the banking industry, taking my tax money and feeding those agencys, that turn around and destroy the banking infastructure by looting? Did all those laws they made and all the agencies work?
Originally posted by HR 2454
(4) fuel competition and consumer choice would
similarly serve to end oil’s monopoly in the transpor- 6
tation sector and strip oil of its strategic status; 7
(5) the current closed fuel market has allowed 8
a cartel of petroleum exporting countries to inflate 9
fuel prices, effectively imposing a harmful tax on the 10
economy of the United States; 11
(6) much of the inflated petroleum revenues the 12
oil cartel earns at the expense of the people of the 13
United States are used for purposes antithetical to 14
the interests of the United States and its allies; 15
Originally posted by burntheships
I am all for stopping egregious sins of contamination of the earth...
Dumping in the Ocean, Burning...although the U.S. is not even close to the worse offender. I think China is...and also war.
Originally posted by burntheships
If the United Nations was for real, and not a phoney front for Ultimate Totalitarian Control, they would do something about this kind of thing first.
If men want to save the earth, and save the world, men need to stop killing each other, and ruining the earth with toxic waste as they war with each other. That is all men, and all nations.
The congressional Democrats’ cap-and-trade plan to tax carbon emissions could cost every American family as much as $3,100 a year and is equivalent to a “declaration of war on the Midwest,”
The way I see it, there are only two ways our nation will see real political change:
Complete economic collapse, or
It’s clear that the status quo will be protected at all costs, so #1 is inevitable unless #2 occurs first. Americans need to wake up to current political and economic reality, and then rise together to demand reform. Real reform, that is, which means radical abolition of major parts of our government, not symbolic do-nothing bills with the word “reform” in the title.
We go on a consumption strike until and unless our demands are met.
What are our demands? Here's the list:
All the financial fraudsters are investigated, indicted, and prosecuted. This includes the con artists in CONgress who got "special deals" from Mozilo and his "Friends of Angelo" program (and who are blocking a subpoena to BofA as it would implicate them), it includes those past and current members of Government Sachs, and it includes all those other financial "professionals" who deceived Americans and others with their sale of toxic exploding mortgage products along with the securities supposedly backed by them.
Glass-Steagall is restored, in full, and all the firms that can't exist under it are broken up. Period.
The insider-trading that has become blatant and outrageous is prosecuted where illegal and where not, is made illegal and then prosecuted, with the focus being on the size of the scam. This includes obvious circumstances such as August 2007 (Bernanke's phone logs were FOIA'd) where trading patterns made clear that "certain someones" had foreknowledge of the discount rate cut along with Congresspeople who were briefed on the TARP and within hours or days made significant stock trades. Today if you're Martha Stewart you're prosecuted where if you make millions in an hour by exploiting government information "leaks" the SEC and FBI look the other way.
The Government withdraws all of its backstopping of financial firms who created this mess. ]/b] All of it. If you're a bank or other firm and did something imprudent, you fail. Period. This is true whether you're a small regional bank (as is happening now; 5 in the last week) or a big behemoth like Citibank or Bank Of America. No "special deals", no "special guarantees", nothing of the kind. If the government wishes to avoid "systemic risk" then the government regulators can do their damn job.
The Fed disgorges all of its improperly-acquired MBS and other related securities. If it doesn't have a full-faith-and-credit guarantee and was bought, it is disgorged - period.
The Fed agrees to full annual audits without exception.
Those people inside government who conspired with certain bankers to cook the books, along with those in the banks who did so, go to jail. Our own Office of The Inspector General in the government has confirmed that there was an active conspiracy to break the law within the OTS, but not one indictment has been issued.
Those who committed fraud in the creation of this economic mess, whether they be mortgage lenders, those who packaged up securities while intentionally omitting credit information, those in the real estate industry to pressed for appraisal fraud and others are investigated, prosecuted and if convicted jailed. All of them.
Losses are born by those who made bad decisions, not the taxpayer generally. Those who made good decisions get to reap the benefits, while those who made bad decisions eat the losses. No exceptions.
The government cuts the annual budget deficit to zero. If government wants to blow the money it has to have the money. If they can't raise the money they don't spend it. It is time to live within our means and hold government to account for its profligate spending along with promises of "benefits" they know they cannot actually deliver down the road such as Medicare Part D.
Until then the position of those who wish to join is simple: No non-essential purchases of anything are made. Period.