RED ALERT: The Total Takeover Of America Enters Its Final Phase !, page 4

Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by burntheships

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Brother I stand with you, but there nothing we can do till untill all of America feels the choke hold, Soon the time for war will be upon us but not quite yet.

One problem, most of America is too apathetic to care.

It is far too late to stop ppl that will not even let the bill be read
before voting on it.

The corruption has been overwhelming for a long while.

Calls to the congress critters on the bailout only delayed the
inevitable, and now ppl are not going to bother at all.

It is far far too late now, and the Bell tolls for us all.

Good Luck to you all !

reply to post by Afishl1

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The overall consensus on "global warming" is that there is no consencus.

Over 650 scientists have put their names to a US Senate Minority report that challenges the contention of the UN's International Panel on Climate Change that there is a scientific "consensus" on the causes of global warming.

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IMO the global warming issue is driven by the Untied Nations, as a means to control the sovereign countries. Then they can create more taxes, tax tax tax. Global Taxes...more on that here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

the United Nations is proceeding....to implement a global plan to create a new international socialist order financed by global taxes on the American people....

.....consider adoption of a document calling for “new voluntary and innovative sources of financing initiatives to provide additional stable sources of development finance"…

.....The most “popular” proposals, which could generate tens of billions of dollars in revenue for global purposes, involve taxes on greenhouse gas emissions and financial transactions such as stock trades.

The document was agreed to at an informal meeting of expert “facilitators” and was made available on Monday afternoon at 3 p.m. It is doubtful that any changes will be made to it.

The conference was postponed from June 1-3 and will now take place June 24-26 at the U.N. in New York....

Now, as President, Obama can bypass the Congress and simply direct his Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice to approve the U.N. conference document. Then the pressure will be increased on Congress to come up with the money and satisfy our “international commitments.”

www.newswithviews.com...

This working draft is one of the scariest documents I have ever read.

113 page Report of the Commission of Experts
of the President of the United Nations General Assembly on
Reforms of the International Monetary and Financial System

It has 91 references to taxes

This one in revealing...

131. Hence, the political feasibility of additional mechanisms and innovative sources of
financing such as emission rights trading and financial transactions taxes should be
enhanced. These and other innovative sources of finance are discussed in Chapter 5.

www.un.org...

reply to post by burntheships

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There may be those who disagree and there may be those that, like me, are on the fence about it.. even if it is not a global problem it is one for your local area esp if you live in a large city, and even regional. Additonally, we are moving as a whole out of the caveman era of burning # and dumping the waste into the atmosphere. We have already done this with ash, so2 and nox and carbon capture does exist, plus there are sources that don't produce much or any at all. Nationally over the next forty years I should hope that we would not be still burning what we are now how we are now for energy demands. Frankly, I think that our tech is going to explode so as to not even need this bill, but that aside I don't see hwo this is going to bankrupt the country. To meet the goal you will have to construct more nukes, wind, solar and modify existing plants to capture carbon. All of this requires people to do work and get paid and for trade to occur and there are provisions in the bill to maintain wages as well for all the projects... I dont' really understand what all the fuss is over.

This is the bill btw; dunno if anyone has posted it before:

Cap and Trade

reply to post by miragezero

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Yes we can not all agree on everything...and thanks for posting that link.

Just saying there is no logical way conclude that more legislation (this cap and trade) on this environmental issue will save the earth, or even make it "greener"

Am I to trust a government that has created agencys to watch over the banking industry, taking my tax money and feeding those agencys, that turn around and destroy the banking infastructure by looting? Did all those laws they made and all the agencies work? No! What they did was spend more money, tax us more, and in the end, they turn around and mock us, and rob us!

I am all for stopping egregious sins of contamination of the earth...
Dumping in the Ocean, Burning...although the U.S. is not even close to the worse offender. I think China is...and also war.

If the United Nations was for real, and not a phoney front for Ultimate Totalitarian Control, they would do something about this kind of thing first.

“More than ten times the amount of radiation released during atmospheric testing [of nuclear bombs] has been released from DU weaponry since 1991,” said Leuren Moret, a U.S. nuclear scientist. “The genetic future of the Iraqi people, for the most part, is destroyed. The environment now is completely radioactive.”

“Because DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years, the Middle East will, for all practical purposes, be radioactive forever.”....

....Inhaled or ingested DU particles are highly toxic, and DU has been classified as an illegal weapon of mass destruction by the United Nations.

www.naturalnews.com...

If men want to save the earth, and save the world, men need to stop killing each other, and ruining the earth with toxic waste as they war with each other. That is all men, and all nations.

The solution is quite simple...as illustrated by John Galt and Karl Denninger...simply quit participating in the system...quit buying the trivial garbage that you are addicted to...learn to produce for yourself, learn a little self reliance, learn to trade with your neighbors...Quit the rigged, ridiculous "Rat Race", because you're gonna lose anyway...Without your mindless consumption, the PTB are helpless and they will in turn cannibalize themselves like the rabid animals they are...

"Starve The Beast" - July 4th, 2009

Look, we can rant and rave about market manipulation and government-sponsored games. We can petition the SEC, the FBI and Congress. We can demand that they stop it all we want. But they haven't and likely won't until and unless America gets pissed off enough to force them to act. So how do we make that happen, yet remain within the law? Its not that hard, and in the intermediate and longer-term it would be incredibly positive for our economy and nation. We go on a consumption strike until and unless our demands are met.

[edit on 30-6-2009 by RolandBrichter]

reply to post by RolandBrichter

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Thank you. That is awesome! I needed to read that today!

reply to post by Rockpuck

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We know it is true. Give us an inspiration for the day...some motivating words from our contstituion...

Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by miragezero

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Yes we can not all agree on everything...and thanks for posting that link.

Just saying there is no logical way conclude that more legislation (this cap and trade) on this environmental issue will save the earth, or even make it "greener"

Am I to trust a government that has created agencys to watch over the banking industry, taking my tax money and feeding those agencys, that turn around and destroy the banking infastructure by looting? Did all those laws they made and all the agencies work?

Well, it worked for ash and SO2 and NOX and it didn't bankrupt us.... hell some plants that were proactive made money off of it by overscrubbing and selling their permits to other plants that did not scrub. Eventually, however you either scrubbed or go out of business. You keep saying tax money that you are somehow going to be taxed by the cap and trade. Where are you getting this. Show me in detail where in this bill and how we are going to be taxed? Heck its full of credits...It is a long bill but you can search for stuff... here is a phrase I found:

Originally posted by HR 2454

(4) fuel competition and consumer choice would
similarly serve to end oil’s monopoly in the transpor- 6
tation sector and strip oil of its strategic status; 7
(5) the current closed fuel market has allowed 8
a cartel of petroleum exporting countries to inflate 9
fuel prices, effectively imposing a harmful tax on the 10
economy of the United States; 11
(6) much of the inflated petroleum revenues the 12
oil cartel earns at the expense of the people of the 13
United States are used for purposes antithetical to 14
the interests of the United States and its allies; 15

Originally posted by burntheships
I am all for stopping egregious sins of contamination of the earth...
Dumping in the Ocean, Burning...although the U.S. is not even close to the worse offender. I think China is...and also war.

Agreed however we have to start somewhere and China doesn't even have a realiable infrastructure to begin with. We do and we have the technology to be good stewards of the environment and a better example to everyone. I just say within the span of 40 years in the future we should be able to comply with the goal...

Originally posted by burntheships
If the United Nations was for real, and not a phoney front for Ultimate Totalitarian Control, they would do something about this kind of thing first.
If men want to save the earth, and save the world, men need to stop killing each other, and ruining the earth with toxic waste as they war with each other. That is all men, and all nations.

Then I suggest you go watch some of the NWO videos in the other threads because that is exactly what they are saying as well.

reply to post by miragezero

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Men have to do it themselves. Agencies fail. The larger the agency, the larger the fail. The Untied Nations is not going to save man.

To believe that would be the biggest lie to believe about them. As we speak The U.N. is in the process with thier side kick the W.H.O. in perpetrating a population reduction on mankind under the pretense of a flu pandemic now declared at level 6, so they can vaccinate every man woman and child; potentially makeing them sick, or worse, crippled, debilitated by the contaminents in the vaccination.

Here is in detail why the Cap and Trade is a load of carp, and will not save the earth, or keep it clean, or lower costs, or give an ultimate in the black credit to anyone, or any business.

Just some thoughts on this...

The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin

For those who say a vote is useless, every four years, we elect
A President. That President wins and loses with votes.

To those who say it is no good to try, what if eveyone has said that 200 years ago. What if no one had stood up to Hitler?

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For the record I am not a Republican, or A Democrat. I am not part of any political party at the time, I am thinking out of the box.

But when this kind of blatant attempt to wipe out a county is being perpetrated I am not going to be idle. I am not keeping my mouth shut.

"Under my plan of a cap and trade system electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Businesses would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money."

The congressional Democrats’ cap-and-trade plan to tax carbon emissions could cost every American family as much as $3,100 a year and is equivalent to a “declaration of war on the Midwest,”

www.cnsnews.com...

reply to post by goodbadliar

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Yes it was a hostile takeover by the banking cartel.



Marc Faber: Bernanke Is An Economic Criminal And In My Opinion He Is A Madman (06/06/09)

www.infiniteunknown.net...

What is right?

The way I see it, there are only two ways our nation will see real political change:

Complete economic collapse, or

Revolution

It’s clear that the status quo will be protected at all costs, so #1 is inevitable unless #2 occurs first. Americans need to wake up to current political and economic reality, and then rise together to demand reform. Real reform, that is, which means radical abolition of major parts of our government, not symbolic do-nothing bills with the word “reform” in the title.

libertymaven.com...

Also, I wanted to elaborate from the post earlier by Rolanbrichter..

We go on a consumption strike until and unless our demands are met.

What are our demands? Here's the list:

All the financial fraudsters are investigated, indicted, and prosecuted. This includes the con artists in CONgress who got "special deals" from Mozilo and his "Friends of Angelo" program (and who are blocking a subpoena to BofA as it would implicate them), it includes those past and current members of Government Sachs, and it includes all those other financial "professionals" who deceived Americans and others with their sale of toxic exploding mortgage products along with the securities supposedly backed by them.

Glass-Steagall is restored, in full, and all the firms that can't exist under it are broken up. Period.

The insider-trading that has become blatant and outrageous is prosecuted where illegal and where not, is made illegal and then prosecuted, with the focus being on the size of the scam. This includes obvious circumstances such as August 2007 (Bernanke's phone logs were FOIA'd) where trading patterns made clear that "certain someones" had foreknowledge of the discount rate cut along with Congresspeople who were briefed on the TARP and within hours or days made significant stock trades. Today if you're Martha Stewart you're prosecuted where if you make millions in an hour by exploiting government information "leaks" the SEC and FBI look the other way.

The Government withdraws all of its backstopping of financial firms who created this mess. ]/b] All of it. If you're a bank or other firm and did something imprudent, you fail. Period. This is true whether you're a small regional bank (as is happening now; 5 in the last week) or a big behemoth like Citibank or Bank Of America. No "special deals", no "special guarantees", nothing of the kind. If the government wishes to avoid "systemic risk" then the government regulators can do their damn job.

The Fed disgorges all of its improperly-acquired MBS and other related securities. If it doesn't have a full-faith-and-credit guarantee and was bought, it is disgorged - period.

The Fed agrees to full annual audits without exception.

Those people inside government who conspired with certain bankers to cook the books, along with those in the banks who did so, go to jail. Our own Office of The Inspector General in the government has confirmed that there was an active conspiracy to break the law within the OTS, but not one indictment has been issued.

Those who committed fraud in the creation of this economic mess, whether they be mortgage lenders, those who packaged up securities while intentionally omitting credit information, those in the real estate industry to pressed for appraisal fraud and others are investigated, prosecuted and if convicted jailed. All of them.

Losses are born by those who made bad decisions, not the taxpayer generally. Those who made good decisions get to reap the benefits, while those who made bad decisions eat the losses. No exceptions.

The government cuts the annual budget deficit to zero. If government wants to blow the money it has to have the money. If they can't raise the money they don't spend it. It is time to live within our means and hold government to account for its profligate spending along with promises of "benefits" they know they cannot actually deliver down the road such as Medicare Part D.

Until then the position of those who wish to join is simple: No non-essential purchases of anything are made. Period.

market-ticker.org...





[edit on 30-6-2009 by burntheships]

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