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Originally posted by TheMythLives
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Also you still believe they were birds?
I highly doubt birds can move backwards, the only time a bird can do that is if it is gliding backwards on the wind, but after a few feet they bird needs to start flapping again, also while it is gliding it does not stay in a straight line, it drops. The videos show the objects reversing in a straight line.
The objects also have a stand still effect, while some birds can pull of this amazing illusion, seagulls cannot even come close, do to their weight and physical size.
Eagles however, can pull this off quite well. Some airplanes can even stop still, or look as if they are standing still, its an illusion. However, that illusion has its limitations and if that video shows birds standing still for that long in that type of illusion, then damn thats the best I have ever seen it done. Quite simply that just does not happen.
I personally believe it is not alien in any shape or form. I respect your opinion I really do, but I think you are wrong.
Also, jkrog08 is just defending his belief in Aliens and so on. Theirs no reason to get all up-tight. Just listen to his opinion and cunduct yourself in a reasonable and respectful manner for instance:
Jkrog08, while I disagree with you, that does not mean I do not respect your opinion, however I was wondering if you could explain your opinion to me in regards to________________. and fill in the blank yourself.
There are kind ways to go about things and bully ways. Choose the kind way mate.
Originally posted by jkrog08
To be honest in my own opinion I think out of the non-hoax or misidentified UFOs that about 60% are ours and 40% are 'theirs'.
Originally posted by TheMythLives
The objects also have a stand still effect, while some birds can pull of this amazing illusion, seagulls cannot even come close, do to their weight and physical size.
Originally posted by HolgerTheDane
Originally posted by TheMythLives
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Also you still believe they were birds?
Yes I do.
If they are on a thermal - yes they can move backwards and forwards again without flapping any wings.
I highly doubt birds can move backwards, the only time a bird can do that is if it is gliding backwards on the wind, but after a few feet they bird needs to start flapping again, also while it is gliding it does not stay in a straight line, it drops. The videos show the objects reversing in a straight line.
Originally posted by ArMaP
Originally posted by TheMythLives
The objects also have a stand still effect, while some birds can pull of this amazing illusion, seagulls cannot even come close, do to their weight and physical size.
Seagulls can stay on the same place without flapping their wings if the conditions are right, and there is no need of a real strong wind for that, a 40km/h wind is enough, I have seen them doing just that many, many times.
In CIA memos marked 'secret' and seen by The Observer, top officials consider exploiting the UFO craze. 'I suggest that we discuss the possible offensive or defensive utilisation of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes,' wrote CIA director Walter Smith in 1952. 'Shortly after that meeting the CIA sent a delegation to Britain to discuss UFOs. It is hard to imagine that they did not discuss the psychological warfare aspects of it with their British counterparts,' Clarke said.
...the widespread belief in UFOs that began in the 1950s and lasted until the present day should be seen as a social phenomenon.
In CIA memos marked 'secret' and seen by The Observer, top officials consider exploiting the UFO craze. 'I suggest that we discuss the possible offensive or defensive utilisation of these phenomena for psychological warfare purposes,'
Originally posted by Heliocentric
Originally posted by reugen
Looks a lot like the German Messershmitt "Komet" or Me-163 that was built and used at the end of the war, 1944-1945.
"Looks a lot like"?
To me it's an overstatement, but I guess it's subjective.
Taken from Wikipedia (on the history of Me-163):
"Five Me 163s were originally brought to the United States in 1945, receiving the Foreign Equipment numbers FE-495 and FE-500 to 503 ... On 12 April 1946, it was flown aboard a cargo aircraft to the U.S. Army Air Forces facility at Muroc dry lake in California for flight testing."
So there were only 5 of them, and they went to California, which is pretty far away from Utah.
If the Tremonton UFOs were some kind of experimental craft developed from it, how many of them would they build, and how many would they send up at once? One or two, or a whole fleet?
And were is the documentation of this craft?
And if these UFOs were experimental crafts with rocket engines, where are the contrails?
Originally posted by reugen
Looks a lot like the German Messershmitt "Komet" or Me-163 that was built and used at the end of the war, 1944-1945.