Originally posted by tempest501
I could not agree more, honestly with all that I am I agree.
The trouble is if we all lay down our arms our enemys might not and then we open ourselves up to genocide etc at the extreme.
I agree though I just wish there was a way for us to do it.
I am not sure if I beleive in God , I find I cant trust what the bible says for some reason. Allthough I am open to the possibilty that there is a God
out there. I just think man and religeon may have spoilt the message of said God if he is outhere. Just my humble view and no offence intended.
Well, don't feel too bad, because even the bible pretty much says don't trust the bible.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Scribes = those who write scriptures.
Don't get me wrong, the bible and scripture is very useful, but it's not an authority. It's not the "word of god", even if it is divinely
inspired. If it is divinely inspired then the "word of god" would be the word those who wrote it heard. And I don't see a reason why anyone
should settle for less than hearing that word themselves.
I find it to be pretty crazy that people think of a personal relationship with god as being a bible or as if all God would do is quote scripture at
them. But I do believe if you actually hear that word, then you will understand the bible in a way no man could ever give you. That word, not the
bible is the authority. And that authority comes from within, not "out there".
If you "trust" something, then you are looking to create an authority. And from that authority, you will get your beliefs. This is acceptance
rather than understanding. Even if you are repeating truthful things, it's useless if you do not understand. Anyone can repeat 1+1=2 as a true
statement, but it's useless to know that if you don't actually understand and can't apply it to your life. There is only 1 authority, and it is
within people(god). Thus, the people are the real authority.
And that is the reason they have to be deceived. Don't need to deceive bad people, only good people. But the people themselves are the authority,
they just blindly give it away.
I could read the bible a few years ago, and it didn't make sense to me. I always let the church define it for me, and it seemed dumb and didn't
make sense. I see contradictions and hypocrisy everywhere. I gained my understanding away from the bible, but then when I read the bible after I
gained understanding I was blown away because I seen Jesus saying what I learned exactly.
Don't have to be a christian in order to understand Jesus or do the right things.
What you mention about opening ourselves up to genocide is due to you fearing death and not understanding what is "you". If you understand the
true nature of consciousness and creation then it's not such a fearful thing. I understand your fear, but in the end it is more a fear of the
unknown than anything. Not that I think or want that to happen, just that I don't think such a fear should over ride doing what is right.
If you steal, then how can you expect to live in a world with no theives? If you kill, how can you expect to live in a world with no murder? If
you yourself do evil things and resort to evil ways as a way of dealing with conflict, then your very presence makes it impossible to have a society
without those things.
It's not that hard to understand the path of Jesus. All you have to do is look at the world and try to see what it would take of all people to have
a peaceful society. How would people have to act towards one another? And then now be that change. Be what you see needs to be done. As you
do that, you'll start to see how Jesus acted and was an example of. And when you start to look at the actions of others who don't do such things,
then alot of other things start making sense too.
I pretty much reject Paul and about half the NT. I don't consider myself to be a Christian, and think Christianity is a Satanic religion built on
the sacrifice of truth so that the lie of this world may live. They find salvation in the death of Jesus as a sacrifice for their sins, and I see
his life and example to be something which should be followed and is a path that leads to better things.
[edit on 22-6-2009 by badmedia]