Obama tells AMA 'America may go the way of GM'

I am currently insured through my employer, and president Obama said in his speech today that if you have good coverage you can keep it, if you like your doctor you can keep them.

The problem is I have looked at enough of this projected plan to realize that if health care is socialized in the ways they want, no private insurance company will be able to compete with the government plan, employers will likely be forced to adopt the government insurance plans.

We really will have no choice when all is said and done with this kind of health care reform they are pushing for.

Originally posted by Walkswithfish
I am currently insured through my employer, and president Obama said in his speech today that if you have good coverage you can keep it, if you like your doctor you can keep them.

The problem is I have looked at enough of this projected plan to realize that if health care is socialized in the ways they want, no private insurance company will be able to compete with the government plan, employers will likely be forced to adopt the government insurance plans.

We really will have no choice when all is said and done with this kind of health care reform they are pushing for.

Well said but for goodness sakes man get those fish back in the water!

Obama will be going after Veternarians next!

Democracy is about choices and we really aren't being given any choice but to vote for irresponsive and irresponsible representatives who do not interact with their constituents in creating legislation that takes more and more of our choices away from us.

It needs to stop somewhere before we end up paying 80% taxes to eat a dinner and live in a house and wear a set of clothes that the government chooses all of for us.

Iv'e listened to both sides of this argument nearly all day, and iv'e come to a conclusion.

This wouldn't be a bad idea if our government wasn't so corrupt.

Honostly, if our government really had the common peoples interest in mind, you'd really enjoy the fact that you could get healthcare from a trustworthy source at very little cost to you. However, since our government is very slowly eroding our feedoms and butting into our lives, we can no longer trust them to regulate something so valuable to us. We feel that its just an underhanded attempt to get closer and closer to our personal lives, and we're probably right. That's all they've done in the past.

does anyone agree/disagree or have anything to add?

I don't understand why so many people on this board are railing against healthcare reform.

Every other industiralized nation has a public healthcare system and it's a travesty that we don't have one here in America. A single payer system wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a lot better than having to deal with insurance companies who will do everything they can to not have to pay out benefits.

Originally posted by Ansiroth
Iv'e listened to both sides of this argument nearly all day, and iv'e come to a conclusion.

This wouldn't be a bad idea if our government wasn't so corrupt.

Honostly, if our government really had the common peoples interest in mind, you'd really enjoy the fact that you could get healthcare from a trustworthy source at very little cost to you. However, since our government is very slowly eroding our feedoms and butting into our lives, we can no longer trust them to regulate something so valuable to us. We feel that its just an underhanded attempt to get closer and closer to our personal lives, and we're probably right. That's all they've done in the past.

does anyone agree/disagree or have anything to add?

I agree with what you are saying. The government doesn't handle it's responsibilities now well, and can't be trusted, why give them more responsibilities?

It truly makes no sense does it?

Originally posted by milesp
I don't understand why so many people on this board are railing against healthcare reform.

Every other industiralized nation has a public healthcare system and it's a travesty that we don't have one here in America. A single payer system wouldn't be perfect, but it would be a lot better than having to deal with insurance companies who will do everything they can to not have to pay out benefits.

It would also be ineffecient, remove incentive for doctors to excell at what they do, cost the tax payers more money than they can afford, put the government even further into debt, and allow government to totally control the most important aspect of your existence, your health itslef.

That's not really hard to understand is it, when you get away from the idea for something for nothing.

The government is great at giving nothing for something, not something for nothing!

I honestly feel at this point he's serving us on a platter to the world.

There is nothing worse than a government that seeks continuous control. An ever growing need for power and control. Just a prelude of things to come...

The article says the AMA applauded Obama when he made the prediction about potentially going the way of GM, and several times thereafter.

Many respected doctors and health care professionals agree with the need for some kind of healthcare reform, and the need for universal coverage.

The excellence of medical care would not be affected by Obama's healthcare plan.

Doctors would not be compelled to take patients that were covered by government insurance if they didn't want to. They would still have the freedom to take only those patients who paid top dollar. Just as now they are free to refuse Medicare and Medicaid patients if they want to. Few do, though.

Personally I would rather be treated by a doctor who had a love and compassion for humanity than one who just saw me as a ticket to a new Ferrari.

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You are beating your head against a brick wall, Proto, until they live it

They will not get it.

Live and learn.

Originally posted by AceOfAces
I honestly feel at this point he's serving us on a platter to the world.

I believe you are correct.

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The excellence of medical care would not be affected by Obama's healthcare plan.

What exactly are you basing that on besides your own wishful thinking?

Are you a qualified National Health Care consultant for democratic nations that have previously implemented Obama's health care plan?

Seriously now, lay off the Kool Aide those artificial sweetners can lead to cancer!

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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You are beating your head against a brick wall, Proto, until they live it

They will not get it.

Live and learn.

I have an exceptionally strong head and thick skull though! It's not so hard when you are dealing with the little pig who made his house of straw!

My hayfever is killing me though!

Thanks Stormdancer.

Originally posted by AceOfAces
I honestly feel at this point he's serving us on a platter to the world.

There is nothing worse than a government that seeks continuous control. An ever growing need for power and control. Just a prelude of things to come...

That's pretty much what he is doing. I predicted this guy would be George Bush on steroids and he sure seems to be living up to my expectations.

Thankfully many a politician like Hillary has ended up on the heap of the 'health care reform' junkyard.

With so many more pressing problems though why on earth would government be taking yet another costly and time consuming project on but for the sake of control.

Medicaid and Medicare are riddled with fraud and waste, how about cleaning up what's already on your plate before asking for additional helpings?

Beyond a couple lone wolf congressmen I don't think there is a politician in Washington with a single lick of common sense!

I hear Bush did this, Bush did that. However, the man is gone and now we have to deal with Obama's policies which are walking the fine line to socialism and fascism.

He is willing to take great liberties with our tax dollars to do it. Where are the checks and balances if they were in place these types of dictatorial rhetoric would be squashed immediately. Our people in the legislature really need to take a good hard look at what this man is advocating and vote his garbage out. Let him threaten moan and groan, but our very country and traditions are at stake. Make no mistake, if we continue on this path we will be paupers drinking out of the gutter and sleeping under the overpass. We are going bankrupt or are already there and they are keeping a tight lid on it. It's an illusion that a business is to big to fail and shame on the politicians for spreading that message.

In capitalism businesses rise and fall it is just how it works. When profits are coming they thrive when they are decreasing or fall short they fail. It hurts a lot of people: losing jobs, homes, livelihoods, careers, but we can all learn from it become stronger in the process. Mr. President we are now seeing that pumping money into a rotten decrepit system is futile and now is time to let the cards fall were they may and move on and get better. Capitalism has worked for centuries and it has it's ups and downs but it is the only way the little guy has a chance to better himself.

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The problem here for the most part is these "Business that are too big to fail" are in fact not failing, but repositioning themselves in a 'Redistribution of Wealth' to dominate foreign markets but utilizing their cheaper labor and cheaper resources to manufacture there and develop markets there that have far more potential buyers than the United States market does.

20 years ago 1 in 100 Chinese had a car, their own 20 year plan before American Corporations took over China was for everyone to have a bicycle in 20 years.

Last year China bought more cars than America did and would it surprise you to know that the majority of the cars the Chinese purchased where made by GM China.

Meanwhile I just went out and bought a bicycle lol, because I am now being told that the reason the price for gasoline keeps going up even though the demand keeps going down for it domestically is because oil is piling up in the storage facilities and the oil companies now have to build more oil facilities at the consumer's expense. They have the nerve to say this is absolutely vital because if they don't build more storage facilities they will have to buy less oil, and if they buy less oil, oil producing nations will drop their production and then when the recession is over and demand resumes domestically there will be shortages that lead to higher prices!

So much of what the government is doing right now is having the tax payer fund insanely wealthy American Oligarchs in expanding their markets by hiring foreign labor, manufacturing in foreign countries, paying foreign workers, and selling their foriegn made products to them all at the expense of America.

That is what the actual 'redistribution of wealth' really is, giving our jobs away and abandoning Americans because we already have enough flat screen TV's, computers and auto mobiles to make our business less desirable than some other nations'.

It would almost be tolerable if they weren't doing all this with American Tax payer money.

To get away with all this the Oligarchs really believe that if they simply tax us with such a burden that we can do nothing but struggle to fead and house ourselves we won't have the time or inclination to resist this madness.

I think they are wrong!

I agree with Obama telling the AMA 'America may go the way of GM' and as long as he is running the show I whole hardily believe what he says.

What if the Government came to you and said, you are going to be taxed for staying healthy and practicing preventive healthcare. You say What? That is right if you stay healthy we as the government can not control you as easily. We as the government need sick people to make our socialized medicine work and we need healthy and productive people to keep footing the massive doctor and hospital bills for you sick people.

We as the Centralized controlling government need the sick peoples votes to stay in power and the healthy and productive to foot the socialized healthcare we need to stay in power.

You say, but the sick people will also pay a small amount when it comes to socialized state run healthcare. How about the 30,000,000 illegals they need guaranteed healthcare and the rich can foot their healthcare bills.

While we are at it since America may go the way of GM why not socialized healthcare for our 200,000,000 pets of all kinds in America this will assure that we get to our guaranteed distruction quicker just like Government Motors.

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I agree with Obama telling the AMA 'America may go the way of GM' and as long as he is running the show I whole hardily believe what he says.

My friend he did not say the AMA was going to go the way of GM he said America itself was going to go the way of GM.

Meaning that unless the American Medical Association gets on board for a way for both government and private insurers to cut health care costs...America the nation will go terminally bankrupt and potentially cease to exist.

Originally posted by Ansiroth
Iv'e listened to both sides of this argument nearly all day, and iv'e come to a conclusion.

This wouldn't be a bad idea if our government wasn't so corrupt.

Honostly, if our government really had the common peoples interest in mind, you'd really enjoy the fact that you could get healthcare from a trustworthy source at very little cost to you. However, since our government is very slowly eroding our feedoms and butting into our lives, we can no longer trust them to regulate something so valuable to us. We feel that its just an underhanded attempt to get closer and closer to our personal lives, and we're probably right. That's all they've done in the past.

does anyone agree/disagree or have anything to add?

Good thought. How long after Government insurance is the only thing we can get ,will mandatory proceedures and vaccinations and drug/DNA testing be done?
How long will it be before good health is not your right,but a privlige allowed by the government?

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Wow, what you are saying is very telling and intriguing. What you are claiming is that our own government is selling us down the river so these fat cats can reposition themselves over seas while the Americans continue into the spiral of degradation. I'm truly outraged by what I read on your post. They are committing treason no doubt about it. I'm in no way trying to sound like a protectionist when comes down to international business but to work overtime to prop holdings over seas while the ones at home fall apart is ludicrous. Were treason comes in is that the government is using tax payer dollars to do this and it is being orchestrated by our elected officials who are supposed to have our best interests in mind. Very interesting post and flagged.

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Good thought. How long after Government insurance is the only thing we can get ,will mandatory proceedures and vaccinations and drug/DNA testing be done?

Not long enough in my humble oppinion this is not an area that we need the government controlling.

What the government did not understand in the 1930's and the government still does not understand today is what corrects markets that are out of wack is themselves.

prices don't need to be artificially lowered or raised and subsidies don't need to be made, supply and demand will weed out over time any problems with a system as long as it's not artificially tampered with and that's what the government does they tamper with things to create slow painful messy expensive deaths in the market place instead of relatively quick and clean ones.

Government ideally has such a simple job, build safe roads to where people want to go. Make them secure from highway men so people can securely travel them. Maintain an adequate military to defend us against foreign agressors not maintain an expensive and useless far flung empire for the sake of other nations. Arbitrate and resolve and reconcile disputes between states and citizens.

How the heck it has grown into this nearly all pervasive monstrousity is beyond the imagination and pale, that it wants to keep growing...

Someone get the wooden stake and I will grab the hammer because the garlic does not seem to be working anymore!