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Obama tells AMA 'America may go the way of GM'

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
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Wow, what you are saying is very telling and intriguing. What you are claiming is that our own government is selling us down the river so these fat cats can reposition themselves over seas while the Americans continue into the spiral of degradation. I'm truly outraged by what I read on your post. They are committing treason no doubt about it. I'm in no way trying to sound like a protectionist when comes down to international business but to work overtime to prop holdings over seas while the ones at home fall apart is ludicrous. Were treason comes in is that the government is using tax payer dollars to do this and it is being orchestrated by our elected officials who are supposed to have our best interests in mind. Very interesting post and flagged.


Jake all one need do is walk into Wal-Mart to see what has happened. Manufacturing is gone, unions are gone, domestic skilled unionized labor in the trade unions has been supplanted by illegal immigrants often working off the books and getting hired because they will for several dollars less an hour. The bailouts to the banks didn't unfreeze the Credit Markets here, it unfroze the credit markets in China. GM China was the most profitible of General Motors divisions last year. They want to build more plants they want to expand. Every one time Toy Maker, Hardware Maker, Lawn Mower Maker, construction material maker, steel maker, etc., etc., now makes those products overseas. It is why we have the rust belt full of shuttered factories and abandoned and blighted neighborhoods in cities that now have far fewer residents because they have far fewer jobs. None of those American companies that once made everything from steel to toys to widgets to furniture have gone out of business, they just now manufacture, employ in and cater to mostly foreign markets. Most of the retail items on American shelves are made in Asia and if you have a problem with them most of the customer services calls are fielded in Asia too.

What we can still afford to buy a large percentage of the profits goes overseas to pay overseas workers and the rest goes to a handfull of stock holders many of whom either don't really need the money because they are already wealthy or don't respend the money locally in our economy if they do, but typically reinvest it in other companies exporting jobs overseas and developing overseas markets at the expense of ours.

The American citizen is contributing to their own demise in any ways by buying these products, patronizing these companies and allowing our elected officials to fund and reward these American businesses that feel no responsibility to the American citizen just their own bottom line.




posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 08:51 PM
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This thread is about healthcare, so what does Bush have to do with Obama's plan? Just asking? Every time a negative thread about Obama comes up, Bush derails the thread somehow.

Doesn't each admin have to deal with whatever mess the previos one left? So what is the actual timeline that a new admin can start taking responsibility for things? How far into Bush's first term did 9/11 occur? Just under 8 months? So who should take responsibility for that, Bush or Clinton?

Anyway, I am from Canada and a couple of things happen here with our healthcare system. Our best homegrown doctors generally end up in the US because they can make more $. Government dictates charges in this single tier system.

There has been much talk here about adding multiple tiers so those who are willing to or can afford to pay can "jump the line" to get to the front.
That of course will force those who cannot pay further back in the line and less desirable as a "customer". This is one reason nothing has been done to change our system at least for now.

I think there is probably some fair solution buried in between all of this mess.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
 


Wow, what you are saying is very telling and intriguing. What you are claiming is that our own government is selling us down the river so these fat cats can reposition themselves over seas while the Americans continue into the spiral of degradation. I'm truly outraged by what I read on your post. They are committing treason no doubt about it. I'm in no way trying to sound like a protectionist when comes down to international business but to work overtime to prop holdings over seas while the ones at home fall apart is ludicrous. Were treason comes in is that the government is using tax payer dollars to do this and it is being orchestrated by our elected officials who are supposed to have our best interests in mind. Very interesting post and flagged.


Jake all one need do is walk into Wal-Mart to see what has happened. Manufacturing is gone, unions are gone, domestic skilled unionized labor in the trade unions has been supplanted by illegal immigrants often working off the books and getting hired because they will for several dollars less an hour. The bailouts to the banks didn't unfreeze the Credit Markets here, it unfroze the credit markets in China. GM China was the most profitible of General Motors divisions last year. They want to build more plants they want to expand. Every one time Toy Maker, Hardware Maker, Lawn Mower Maker, construction material maker, steel maker, etc., etc., now makes those products overseas. It is why we have the rust belt full of shuttered factories and abandoned and blighted neighborhoods in cities that now have far fewer residents because they have far fewer jobs. None of those American companies that once made everything from steel to toys to widgets to furniture have gone out of business, they just now manufacture, employ in and cater to mostly foreign markets. Most of the retail items on American shelves are made in Asia and if you have a problem with them most of the customer services calls are fielded in Asia too.

What we can still afford to buy a large percentage of the profits goes overseas to pay overseas workers and the rest goes to a handfull of stock holders many of whom either don't really need the money because they are already wealthy or don't respend the money locally in our economy if they do, but typically reinvest it in other companies exporting jobs overseas and developing overseas markets at the expense of ours.

The American citizen is contributing to their own demise in any ways by buying these products, patronizing these companies and allowing our elected officials to fund and reward these American businesses that feel no responsibility to the American citizen just their own bottom line.



Brilliantly said remarks! I have to agree with everything you are saying and you back it up well. It is precisely what is going on? The self-interest is so widespread I don''t see us staving off our own demise. I'll play devil's advocate here, now you laid out the problem, do you have any possible solutions? Or is it like that kid we remember in school that didn't do his homework the entire year, but tries to do so at the end to advance; but the work so far backed-up that it is impossible. Have we reached that juncture?

[edit on 15-6-2009 by Jakes51]



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:18 PM
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Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.

That said, Obama has some bad ideas, and some good ideas, and I haven't seen anything that says to me he has ideas of treason in his head, only that he can see much better than us, how far down the rabbit hole we are, and that some rather major changes are going to have to be made for us to continue. Whether he's going about it the right way... I don't know, probably not, but I do think that some form of socialism is what democracy will evolve to, though it will probably be much less radical that what even Obama seems to be pushing for.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
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Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.

That said, Obama has some bad ideas, and some good ideas, and I haven't seen anything that says to me he has ideas of treason in his head, only that he can see much better than us, how far down the rabbit hole we are, and that some rather major changes are going to have to be made for us to continue. Whether he's going about it the right way... I don't know, probably not, but I do think that some form of socialism is what democracy will evolve to, though it will probably be much less radical that what even Obama seems to be pushing for.


The President probably doesn't think he is knowingly committing treason but I think he is walking the fine line. All I know is this, that we are in one big financial mess and I think now is the best time to close the purse. Any sane man would realize that, and of course; people are going to fall by the wayside. I think in his mind he is trying to save everyone but that is impossible.


He has to look at the big picture and learn to pick and choose his fights. He is still unseasoned in the way of Washington and the nuts and bolts of that political machine. However, one can perceive that his policies are that of a socialist or a closeted communist because of nationalizing private corporations with tax payer funds.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:30 PM
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Anyway, I am from Canada and a couple of things happen here with our healthcare system. Our best homegrown doctors generally end up in the US because they can make more $. Government dictates charges in this single tier system.


This is one of my major concerns too. America not only has the best politicians and propoganda money can buy, we have the best doctors money can buy as well.

You just need money for it.

I live in Miami Florida and the University of Miami Medical School which is one of the preeminent medical schools in the country runs Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Some of the best doctors in the world practice at Jackson Memorial and some of the best doctors in the world teach at the University.

Over the years dozens of my immediate neighbors in the small apartment building I live in on Miami Beach are foreigners who have travelled to Miami to undergo medical procedures and medical regimens that are not available to them in their own countries that feature universal health care.

Doctors from Switzerland, Canada, England and France who specialize in cutting edge procedures and techniques flock to the United States were they can be compensated top dollar.

Many utilitarian posters to the thread have suggested they would prefer a doctor who simply seeks to help their fellow man as being preferred and adequate yet the reality is many of these specialists invest small fortunes of there own in time and education, research and equipment to be on the cutting edge and in the vangaurd and to a certain extent it's only natural that they want to recoup their investments and be rewarded for their initiative.

The United States has the best health care money can buy, you just need money to afford it.

The system might seem broke but what it broke is a way for the participants to milk it for maximum profit and nothing spells excessive waste and overpayment than a government that will buy 600.00 toilet seats and pay 2,000.00 dollars for an outdated IV Aides treatment that the only doctors who still offer it are ones that speacilize in fraud.

Government shouldn't be in the health care business, government should simply cater to those simple things arbitrators are needed for and huge logistics.

Coincidentally if I don't have insurance, and I am hurt, or ill Jackson Memorial is also the current public health trust, and I will be treated without having to pay unless I need a cutting edge operation. Some of the bill would be absorbed by charitble contributions, some of it by the richly endowed University of Miami Medical School and some of it by Miami-Dade County and some of it by the State of Florida and some pesky Collection Agency will be happy to pick up the tab on the rest.

No one no matter how poor or indigent regardless of their citizenship status is denied emergency medical care in the United States on an inability to pay, they might have to travel a little further, and wait in a line a little longer. The only thing that is not offered for free to the poor and indigent is preventative health care and the reality is the best preventative health care is to eat a proper well balanced diet and get plenty of exercise and they still don't put that in a pill bottle and you shouldn't need someone who gets paid a 100.00 dollars simply to tell you that to know that either.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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I agree with Obama telling the AMA 'America may go the way of GM' and as long as he is running the show I whole hardily believe what he says.


My friend he did not say the AMA was going to go the way of GM he said America itself was going to go the way of GM.

Meaning that unless the American Medical Association gets on board for a way for both government and private insurers to cut health care costs...America the nation will go terminally bankrupt and potentially cease to exist.


Exactly I understood that clearly that he was talking about America going down the tubes not the AMA in his speech, but if America goes so does the AMA.

Obama is selling a lie to the public and AMA about healthcare just like he tried to sell the lie about the bailout package stimulus monies with only 5% of the money in circulation . Yes I know there is $700,000,000,000 still setting in somebodies bank account.

Stimulate and not Procrastinate put the money in the hands of the small business men and women in this country that hire 70% of the work force. You want stimulus you would have stimulus alright, but no the government can do a better job of stimulating the economy and running healthcare then free enterprise. LOL

We the government did not know that the economy was as bad as it is, Dah. These guys have no clue lets try this, no lets try that, what a minute lets try this, it did not work, oops. 10% unemployment by August is not so bad Oh Ya, but what is the real figure when it comes to unemployment only what you are told. We The government will create 3 1/2 million new jobs we really meant to say 600,000 jobs. Well government prove that you have created 600,000 new jobs you can't.

The Government can run things better LOL. Since Obama has taken office how many of you out there have had a pay cut 1 million 10, 20 or even 50,000,000 workers? I will bet I am not to far off the 50,000,000 worker figure including state and local government workers taking cuts.

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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Brilliantly said remarks! I have to agree with everything you are saying and you back it up well. It is precisely what is going on? The self-interest is so widespread I don''t see us staving off our own demise. I'll play devil's advocate here, now you laid out the problem, do you have any possible solutions? Or is it like that kid we remember in school that didn't do his homework the entire year, but tries to do so at the end to advance; but the work so far backed-up that it is impossible. Have we reached that juncture?


The problems are still correctable though they might take some time to correct them.

The biggest problem that prohibits an abatement of this downward spiral is Americans by and large want their government to be responsible why they the citizens themselves act in an irresponsible, selfish and short sighted manner.

For instance I won't shop at Wal-Mart under any circumstances or any other retail monopoly that peddles foreign made products.

I pay a bit more for some items, I travel a bit further to get some items but I refuse to feed the beast based on the false assumption that it is saving me time and money.

One of the ways the government has deceived us long term in to thinking that more or less overnight the world has fallen apart is for many years while overall wages have remained stagnant they have hidden both inflation and the rising cost of living by utilizing cheap foreign resources and labors as lowcost substitutes. While Congress votes itself a raise each year and government workers are given an automatic raise each year on par with the annual increase in the cost of living it takes decades for the minimum wage to go up a few cents an hour and for many unskilled and entry level workers to get a raise in jobs they work at for years.

In 1972 I could go into a Woolworth Store on Main Street anywhere, any State, and buy a men's button down cotton dress shirt made in the U.S.A. of U.S. Cotton, and U.S. Milled Fabric, and U.S. made plastic buttons for 12.00 to 20.00 dollars depending on the style and detail.

Today I could go into Wal-Mart and by a men's button down dress shirt of a synthetic fabric made entirely in China for 12.00 to 20.00 dollars. It will wear out within a couple dozen washings and not even make a suitable rag for pollishing or washing a car when it does, it will wear less comfortable, be cut and styled less flattering and come in fewer varieties and styles but I could still buy a cheap replica of that 1972 dress shirt for 12.00 to 20.00 dollars just like in 1972.

However if I wanted the same quality shirt that I bought for that 12.00 to 20.00 dollars in 1972, in a made in America, 100% Cotton or Silk shirt, with the same quality construction, stitching and cut and style...price...129.00 to 179.00 dollars.

That's the real rate of inflation that has been hidden from us.

In 1972 when I bought that shirt you paid cash, the only credit cards were Diners Club and American Express bills due in full at the end of the month, no revolving balance.

While wages have not gone up, and inflation except in gasoline and food well hidden pressure has been taken off the government and businesses to provide a real living wage through revolving credit.

Rather than unionize or demand a raise to a living wage and risk loosing their jobs Americans simply turn to what has been cheap and plentiful easy credit to finance the shortfall in their wages so they can happily have today what they won't even be able to afford tomorrow or perhaps never at all.

That has worked great for American business as it's kept it's domestic market strong even while keeping domestic wages low but it's been long term disaster for the nation and people who now many of are in such debt they have no chance of paying back the banks.

Is American business or American creditors penalized for this, no...the government steps in and picks up the tab for them on all this through the bailouts and forces the taxpayer to just assume the debt load in a different way.

With American workers now making so little, and Americans tapped out on their credit most of them maintaining balances that will take them years if not a lifetime to finance, American business itself has given up more or less on America as a market, as it seeks to just keep maximizing profits and doing easy business elsewhere.

It all changes when people stop feeding the beast and take responsibility themselves and refuse to work unless they are given a living wage, refuse to purchase foreign made products from monopoly style retailers who offer nothing but foreign made products, stop patronizing businesses and services that use illegal cheap immigrant labor and refuse to pay taxes without adequate representation that favors the average American as opposed to foreign and corporate interests.

Obviously we all have no choice but to learn to do without when we have no money and no credit, Americans need to learn to do without need be to deny business to irresponsible companies and funding for a corrupt and irresponsible government until both realize that it is the citizen that enriches and empowers them and the citizen should not be abused or lied to or taken advantage in that process.

I ride my bicycle almost everywhere now and buy almost no gasoline. I work for myself at home and insist on payment from my clients in hard cash. I buy my food from local farmers through local farmer's markets. What other goods I need I buy from mom and pop stores that sell either locally made or made in America products.

If there is no made in America product I find a handyman or electrician to make it for me custom here in America.

I won't feed the beast, if people one at a time grew up and started realizing that the government is not going to legislate common sense when they get paid more for the average persons stupidity and people learned that each and every one of us has an impact on the economy and the government no matter how small, that each and every one of us adds up to something huge.

No government can rescue us from ourselves, we can only do that as individuals and the individual who waits patiently for every other individual to do it first is simply a fool.

We can fix the problem as soon as we all can agree we are responsible for the problem and not Richard M. Nixon, or Gerald R. Ford, or James Earl Carter, or Ronald Regan, or George H.W. Bush, or William Jefferson Clinton or George W. Bush, or Barack Hussein Obama or Jay Rockefeller or David Rothschild but that person in the mirror who wants to blame anyone and anybody but themselves and not do one thing for themselves and by themselves to start making it better.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
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Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.

That said, Obama has some bad ideas, and some good ideas, and I haven't seen anything that says to me he has ideas of treason in his head, only that he can see much better than us, how far down the rabbit hole we are, and that some rather major changes are going to have to be made for us to continue. Whether he's going about it the right way... I don't know, probably not, but I do think that some form of socialism is what democracy will evolve to, though it will probably be much less radical that what even Obama seems to be pushing for.





Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.


Read my post above, then look in the mirror and that would be the person you are truly looking for that you need to solve our problems.

Seriously...thanks!



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:12 PM
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Originally posted by daddyroo45

Good thought. How long after Government insurance is the only thing we can get ,will mandatory proceedures and vaccinations and drug/DNA testing be done?
How long will it be before good health is not your right,but a privlige allowed by the government?


Government insurance will NEVER be the only thing you can get, at least not under Obama's plan. Private health insurance will still be available for those who want it. The insurance companies will have to compete with the government for customers, that's all.

And good health care is not a right in this country now. It's a privilege allowed to those who can pay for it. Those who can't are just out of luck.

Obama's plan would help to provide health insurance for those who cannot pay for it now, as well as a viable alternative for those who can.

It would not eliminate private health insurers or private doctors or private hospitals. It would only provide competition for existing health care providers.

Obama is not talking about a national health service like England's. He is talking only about providing INSURANCE for all Americans.

There will still be Blue Cross and the like for those who choose them.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:24 PM
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Proto you really have it all figured out and it is a pleasure to hear your incite and solutions. I am much like you in many respects although not as devoted as you. However, I try to live without as much as possible. I don't take credit from anyone and if I do I ensure it is a small manageable amount. I have never owned a credit and everything I purchase is with my own money. I live very frugally. My car is 9 years old and used. So I commend you sir and you have my respect.


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posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Jakes51
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Proto you really have it all figured out and it is a pleasure to hear your incite and solutions. I am much like you in many respects although not as devoted as you. However, I try to live without as much as possible. I don't take credit from anyone and if I do I ensure it is a small manageable amount. I have never owned a credit and I everything I purchase is with my own money. I live very frugally. My car is 9 years old and used. So I commend you sir and you have my respect.


Well thank you friend, and I certainly applaude your initiative and own desires to try your level best to make the world a better place.

We can you know, one idea, one person, one act at a time. Rome wasn't built in a day!

Thanks for interacting and contributing to the quality of the thread.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:50 PM
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I don't see the problem with what he said, its true. Medical cost will be like 15% of the federal budget by 2020. If nothing will be done, that will happen which is why we need a solution. Medical costs aren't going to lower themselves.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by The_Brave
Sorry but I put plenty of Blame on Bush..

However, It was OBAMA who really got the bailout passed. The General Population was against it and it wasn't until he started promoting the bailout, and telling us how it would save us back in Oct 08, then it passed.



Do....what? THat was Bush, Obama wasn't even elected yet. The REPUBLICAN candidate high tailed his self to DC after 'suspending his campaign' because he had to make sure that bail out got passed.

Oh , puh-leez, stop it with the partisan crap.
They are ALL THE SAME.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
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I don't see the problem with what he said, its true. Medical cost will be like 15% of the federal budget by 2020. If nothing will be done, that will happen which is why we need a solution. Medical costs aren't going to lower themselves.


What are medical costs? I live in Miami the Fraud Capital of the World and the Miami Herald pegs Medicare and Medicaide fraud at 3 billion dollars a year.

That's comrpised of procedures that are never done but simply billed, medicines that are never taken but simply billed and double, triple and quadruple billing just to name a few of the common scams.

That 3 Billion in Medicare Fraud is nothing compared to the fraud that goes on in the procurement department at the Pentagon.

Our government hemorages cash like a sieve because it is too big and too poorly staffed and run already by career employees who it takes a near act of congress to fire them.

When the government has the Pentagon and Medicaire and Medicaid under control along with Social Security Fraud, and Fema Fraud and needless Pork Barrel spending then come to me and ask for more after you have proven you can handle more.

The democracy can function fine without socialized medicine, the government is in huge debt because the government is poorly run and has been for decades and still is under Obama.

They need to start doing their jobs before asking for more jobs.

I am opposed to this for so many common sense reasons.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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Well, "change". We got it. Is it what people believe in? Is it what they wanted? Is it what people counted on? I can sit here and spit and spout all day about how it's all wrong. Or I could sit here and be adoring of it all. All I know is, Obama promised change and I believed him, whether or not I agreed with his change, or even had any idea what his change was to be.

Yeah, we have change. Maybe some is for the better, and some is not. But we have change. Get used to it. The only thing that never changes is, that there will be change.




posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:30 PM
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This is my gut feeling, too. Anyway, my gut has been telling me since sometime, oh, in 1963 or so, that all is not well and not as we see it.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:54 PM
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Originally posted by General_Salazar
If you want to blame someone, blame the previous CEO. Mr George Bush.

Obama, after 5 months in the job, is just having to clear up after the chimps' tea party Bush enjoyed for 8 years at taxpayers expense.


Nope, Obama is simply adding to the mess. The whole blaming Bush arguement is getting old and it's a weak one at best also it's just a lame excuse for how full of it Obama is proving to be. What about the other previous administrations? If people insist on blaming previous administrations, then obviously each administration has to clean up the mess from the one before it, so really I guess we have George Washington to blame for all of our problems, but then again ol wooden teeth did have it right, so let's just blame John Adams.



posted on Jun, 15 2009 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by kyred
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Well, "change". We got it. Is it what people believe in? Is it what they wanted? Is it what people counted on? I can sit here and spit and spout all day about how it's all wrong. Or I could sit here and be adoring of it all. All I know is, Obama promised change and I believed him, whether or not I agreed with his change, or even had any idea what his change was to be.

Yeah, we have change. Maybe some is for the better, and some is not. But we have change. Get used to it. The only thing that never changes is, that there will be change.



There is an old French saying ...

The more things change...

The moe they stay the same...

...change of course is constant in life, it is the one thing that is constant, and while some things on the surface change in Washington what hasn't changed is the corruption that always lurks below the surface, the desire for more power, more wealth, to be greedier and bolder at the citizens expense...

That is what the French meant in a nut shell, the more things change the more they stay the same.

I lost my innocense even before I think I ever had any such thing to so enjoy.

I have witnessed first hand how the real political process works in the nation and it is neither democratic nor free.

I knew because of that and just how the system really works that Obama was neither innocent or desirous of the type of change he vaguely alluded to for the sake of not so much votes but popularity and trust from the people.

What worries me about Obama is he was/is the proverbial Ace up your Sleeve.

The problem is in a poker game once you go with the Ace up your Sleeve you have to take the whole pot, and bust the bank because you only have one Ace up Your Sleeve and once you use it, you loose it.

It's an all or nothing gamble to take it all or risk getting caught and die trying...

That's the seriousness that we as a nation now face...Obama is where Obama is because he has a job to do and that job is not for the voters who cast a ballot in his favor. It is for his Masters and all politicians have Masters.

They will be able to employ him in ways they never could with any other face or any other man, but they only have the one shot at it, and it won't be a two term affair, it will all go down within the four years he has and for the most part in the first 3.

Buckle up it's going to be a wild ride and it ain't over until the fat lady sings.

Thanks for posting friend.



posted on Jun, 16 2009 @ 12:04 AM
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Originally posted by Darth Lumina

Originally posted by General_Salazar
If you want to blame someone, blame the previous CEO. Mr George Bush.

Obama, after 5 months in the job, is just having to clear up after the chimps' tea party Bush enjoyed for 8 years at taxpayers expense.


Nope, Obama is simply adding to the mess. The whole blaming Bush arguement is getting old and it's a weak one at best also it's just a lame excuse for how full of it Obama is proving to be. What about the other previous administrations? If people insist on blaming previous administrations, then obviously each administration has to clean up the mess from the one before it, so really I guess we have George Washington to blame for all of our problems, but then again ol wooden teeth did have it right, so let's just blame John Adams.


I think you can pretty much trace it all back to Abraham Lincoln and the rize of the Corporate Military Industrial State and the American Oligarchs that made fortunes off of the war and then the industrialization of the nation and laying out the rail infrastructure from coast to coast to complete it.

A private letter from Andrew Cargnegie to J.D. Rockefeller in 1898 confided that for all intents and purposes that between just the two of them they owned and controlled so much wealth and so much of the vital infrastructure that democracy was effectively dead as a result.

As the Oligarchs scheme on the international stage to compete with their European rivals and ensure their seats at the table and slice of a one world government through unrelenting schemes and plots one president after another has inherited a mess that only gets worse with each generation as the bandaids that cover the gaping wounds left by the Oligarchs manipulations fall off and the wounds deepen and wider and more and more trickery and deception is required to create the American Illusion to keep the people happily engaged in tasks that don't interfere in the grand scheme of things.

Each President in the past has by and large never put the blame on the one before him, but has always tried to ensure that previous President's legacy regardless how heated the campaign or what party he was from as insurance that who ever would then succeed him would be as gentlemanly and kind to the institution of the office as well.

I think the Oligarchs intend for Obama to be the last President of the United States of America and it is they who are encouraging him to destroy the protocols that have always kept the institution a venerated one now that they are so close to realizing their longer term and greater ambitions the value of the institution itself and the sanctity of it and those who have kept it borders on meaningless to them.

There are so many alarming things at play here that aren't all that obvious until you start thinking on deeper levels as to what they really mean and why in my humble opinion.

Thanks for posting friend.



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