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Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Wow, what you are saying is very telling and intriguing. What you are claiming is that our own government is selling us down the river so these fat cats can reposition themselves over seas while the Americans continue into the spiral of degradation. I'm truly outraged by what I read on your post. They are committing treason no doubt about it. I'm in no way trying to sound like a protectionist when comes down to international business but to work overtime to prop holdings over seas while the ones at home fall apart is ludicrous. Were treason comes in is that the government is using tax payer dollars to do this and it is being orchestrated by our elected officials who are supposed to have our best interests in mind. Very interesting post and flagged.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Wow, what you are saying is very telling and intriguing. What you are claiming is that our own government is selling us down the river so these fat cats can reposition themselves over seas while the Americans continue into the spiral of degradation. I'm truly outraged by what I read on your post. They are committing treason no doubt about it. I'm in no way trying to sound like a protectionist when comes down to international business but to work overtime to prop holdings over seas while the ones at home fall apart is ludicrous. Were treason comes in is that the government is using tax payer dollars to do this and it is being orchestrated by our elected officials who are supposed to have our best interests in mind. Very interesting post and flagged.
Jake all one need do is walk into Wal-Mart to see what has happened. Manufacturing is gone, unions are gone, domestic skilled unionized labor in the trade unions has been supplanted by illegal immigrants often working off the books and getting hired because they will for several dollars less an hour. The bailouts to the banks didn't unfreeze the Credit Markets here, it unfroze the credit markets in China. GM China was the most profitible of General Motors divisions last year. They want to build more plants they want to expand. Every one time Toy Maker, Hardware Maker, Lawn Mower Maker, construction material maker, steel maker, etc., etc., now makes those products overseas. It is why we have the rust belt full of shuttered factories and abandoned and blighted neighborhoods in cities that now have far fewer residents because they have far fewer jobs. None of those American companies that once made everything from steel to toys to widgets to furniture have gone out of business, they just now manufacture, employ in and cater to mostly foreign markets. Most of the retail items on American shelves are made in Asia and if you have a problem with them most of the customer services calls are fielded in Asia too.
What we can still afford to buy a large percentage of the profits goes overseas to pay overseas workers and the rest goes to a handfull of stock holders many of whom either don't really need the money because they are already wealthy or don't respend the money locally in our economy if they do, but typically reinvest it in other companies exporting jobs overseas and developing overseas markets at the expense of ours.
The American citizen is contributing to their own demise in any ways by buying these products, patronizing these companies and allowing our elected officials to fund and reward these American businesses that feel no responsibility to the American citizen just their own bottom line.
Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.
That said, Obama has some bad ideas, and some good ideas, and I haven't seen anything that says to me he has ideas of treason in his head, only that he can see much better than us, how far down the rabbit hole we are, and that some rather major changes are going to have to be made for us to continue. Whether he's going about it the right way... I don't know, probably not, but I do think that some form of socialism is what democracy will evolve to, though it will probably be much less radical that what even Obama seems to be pushing for.
Anyway, I am from Canada and a couple of things happen here with our healthcare system. Our best homegrown doctors generally end up in the US because they can make more $. Government dictates charges in this single tier system.
Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by amari
I agree with Obama telling the AMA 'America may go the way of GM' and as long as he is running the show I whole hardily believe what he says.
My friend he did not say the AMA was going to go the way of GM he said America itself was going to go the way of GM.
Meaning that unless the American Medical Association gets on board for a way for both government and private insurers to cut health care costs...America the nation will go terminally bankrupt and potentially cease to exist.
Brilliantly said remarks! I have to agree with everything you are saying and you back it up well. It is precisely what is going on? The self-interest is so widespread I don''t see us staving off our own demise. I'll play devil's advocate here, now you laid out the problem, do you have any possible solutions? Or is it like that kid we remember in school that didn't do his homework the entire year, but tries to do so at the end to advance; but the work so far backed-up that it is impossible. Have we reached that juncture?
Originally posted by SkepticPerhaps
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.
That said, Obama has some bad ideas, and some good ideas, and I haven't seen anything that says to me he has ideas of treason in his head, only that he can see much better than us, how far down the rabbit hole we are, and that some rather major changes are going to have to be made for us to continue. Whether he's going about it the right way... I don't know, probably not, but I do think that some form of socialism is what democracy will evolve to, though it will probably be much less radical that what even Obama seems to be pushing for.
Tell me, who is capable of solving all of our problems? Please, bring forward someone with radical ideas capable of sustaining a civilization without them ever falling? As far as I know, nations rise and fall, it's the way it works, nothing lasts forever, and America is no exception.
Originally posted by daddyroo45
Good thought. How long after Government insurance is the only thing we can get ,will mandatory proceedures and vaccinations and drug/DNA testing be done?
How long will it be before good health is not your right,but a privlige allowed by the government?
Originally posted by Jakes51
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Proto you really have it all figured out and it is a pleasure to hear your incite and solutions. I am much like you in many respects although not as devoted as you. However, I try to live without as much as possible. I don't take credit from anyone and if I do I ensure it is a small manageable amount. I have never owned a credit and I everything I purchase is with my own money. I live very frugally. My car is 9 years old and used. So I commend you sir and you have my respect.
Originally posted by The_Brave
Sorry but I put plenty of Blame on Bush..
However, It was OBAMA who really got the bailout passed. The General Population was against it and it wasn't until he started promoting the bailout, and telling us how it would save us back in Oct 08, then it passed.
Originally posted by ghaleon12
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I don't see the problem with what he said, its true. Medical cost will be like 15% of the federal budget by 2020. If nothing will be done, that will happen which is why we need a solution. Medical costs aren't going to lower themselves.
Originally posted by General_Salazar
If you want to blame someone, blame the previous CEO. Mr George Bush.
Obama, after 5 months in the job, is just having to clear up after the chimps' tea party Bush enjoyed for 8 years at taxpayers expense.
Originally posted by kyred
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Well, "change". We got it. Is it what people believe in? Is it what they wanted? Is it what people counted on? I can sit here and spit and spout all day about how it's all wrong. Or I could sit here and be adoring of it all. All I know is, Obama promised change and I believed him, whether or not I agreed with his change, or even had any idea what his change was to be.
Yeah, we have change. Maybe some is for the better, and some is not. But we have change. Get used to it. The only thing that never changes is, that there will be change.
Originally posted by Darth Lumina
Originally posted by General_Salazar
If you want to blame someone, blame the previous CEO. Mr George Bush.
Obama, after 5 months in the job, is just having to clear up after the chimps' tea party Bush enjoyed for 8 years at taxpayers expense.
Nope, Obama is simply adding to the mess. The whole blaming Bush arguement is getting old and it's a weak one at best also it's just a lame excuse for how full of it Obama is proving to be. What about the other previous administrations? If people insist on blaming previous administrations, then obviously each administration has to clean up the mess from the one before it, so really I guess we have George Washington to blame for all of our problems, but then again ol wooden teeth did have it right, so let's just blame John Adams.