I started a topic a few days ago (which didn't get too much play) speculating if we'd ever see a "reign of terror" like in the French Revolution, or the Red Terror under Stalin, Pol Pot's emptying of the cities, etc.

In many cases where there is armed revolution, society seems to go through this kind of dark stage at some point...you have the initial destruction of the old order, followed by a period of giddy hope where the best seems to have triumphed after all. Then the jostling for power in the vaccuum created by the absense of the old order sets in. You get infighting, factionalism, fanaticism, and atmosphere of extreme paranoia that erupts in savage, feverish episodes like those above...a kind of which-hunt scenario where everybody is denouncing everyone else and the guillitine swings sickeningly dawn to dusk. In the first US Revolution we thankfully managed to avoid taht sort of thing...wonder if we'd be so lucky the second time around?

Originally posted by xxpigxx
Capitalism bred and nurtured the great innovations and technologies of last century. Period.

Your point ?

Is the Capitalism a Final Stage, the best we humans can do ?

Debt of $77 zillions we own (yes, WE, you, me and everyone else) does speak for itself, indeed

If there is something better than Capitalism to come what makes you think that it will not be capable of nurturing the same ?

Was "teaching" me of "evils" of Communism and Marxism (which I never mentioned in my post) and "perfection" of Biblical principals necessary ?

Originally posted by LeeannaHolland

You haven't misunderstood me at all. Things are simply changing. Imagine if you could live during a time of freedom from debt, but also freedom from oppression. Freedom to raise a family in peace without having to fear your kids going hungry, like in many places in the world.
Not to say this IS what is coming....

I may be confused. I DO live free from debt. It's a simple formula, really - just don't borrow, and no debt is incurred. Freedom from oppression is another matter, but it's going to get worse before we make it better, which is sort of what the OP was about. Freedom to live in peace won't happen until this group stops trying to jerk that group around, and force them into things they don't want. They should have an "opt out" plan if they wish to keep forcing draconian measures, the most recent of which that I'm aware of is this infernal "national health care" scheme. I just saw on the news today where Dodd and Grassley (one on each "side", how convenient) were rather insistent on making it mandatory on individuals. I don't want to participate in it, and in fact won't. I take care of my own health, thanks.

But no, changing the meaning of freedom is not what I am implying at all. I think Americans are using their true 'power' in a wrong way, maybe... And this is going to hurt, when you are as voiceless as those starving Africans that you all seem to think you are more deserving of 'freedom' and resources, than.

Those "starving africans" have the same shot at freedom as any of us. They just need to apply it. It's not a matter of one being more 'deserving' of freedom than another. Look at the resources Africa has. It may even be that they have a BETTER shot at freedom than 'us', but they have to apply their power first.

To all Americans, it will be a real culture shock when you realize your voice really is as meaningful as anyone in any oppressed country. Deal with it, or.... I have no idea what will happen to us all, because of the few that simply had to 'go down fighting'. I am fearful for us all.

I agree, it WILL be a real culture shock. I think we may disagree on WHO will get the shock, though. I am one of those who will most assuredly 'go down fighting', because I too am fearful for us all, and I happen to realize that there ARE things worth dying for. I will go down fighting because I refuse to live in a world where everything I work for is taken away and given to strangers, I refuse to live in a world where individuality is stifled to such an extent. That isn't 'justice', and thinking so is a delusion.

As a full-grown man, I'm perfectly capable of figuring out who needs my help, I don't need a government to decide for me, and coerce me into compliance.

Originally posted by silent thunder
I started a topic a few days ago (which didn't get too much play) speculating if we'd ever see a "reign of terror" like in the French Revolution, or the Red Terror under Stalin, Pol Pot's emptying of the cities, etc.

In many cases where there is armed revolution, society seems to go through this kind of dark stage at some point...you have the initial destruction of the old order, followed by a period of giddy hope where the best seems to have triumphed after all. Then the jostling for power in the vaccuum created by the absense of the old order sets in. You get infighting, factionalism, fanaticism, and atmosphere of extreme paranoia that erupts in savage, feverish episodes like those above...a kind of which-hunt scenario where everybody is denouncing everyone else and the guillitine swings sickeningly dawn to dusk. In the first US Revolution we thankfully managed to avoid taht sort of thing...wonder if we'd be so lucky the second time around?

there was no red terror under Stalin , the Red terror was under Trotsky in the russian civil war of 1917-1922 , which lead to deaths of upto 30 million .

I started a topic a few days ago (which didn't get too much play) speculating if we'd ever see a "reign of terror" like in the French Revolution,, Pol Pot's emptying of the cities, etc.

I will say yes, and its going to be much worser than that . as whenever illuminatists or their more modern incarnations like Trotskyites/Bilderburges , hijack the nation , they like illuminists will commit mass genocides .