Originally posted by AntonioDMastro
Things that are getting confused:

1. The ideas of "globalism" and a "new world order" are not one sided. 5thElement alluded to this. There is a peaceful "new world order" meme out there and it was actually the original concept. It is indeed the collapse of CORPORATISM (not Capitalism!) and on that note:

2. Capitalism is not Corporatism. The Current World Order is actually an abhoration of Adam Smith's original idea (which he did not expressly call "capitalism", he only uses this word once in his popular 'Wealth of Nations', if anything it was more the formation of the field of 'economics'). Adam Smith's belief was that (and i'm paraphrasing) "men have the right to exercise their enterprise in a free and fair market". This doesn't mean an unrestricted market. Walmart and AOL-Time Warner do not create a "free and fair" environment.

3. Armed conflict should ALWAYS be considered a last resort. This is called "radical democracy", which is pure democracy i.e; mob rule. It's not pretty, it's not free, and it is riddeled with atrocities. Our government, as corrupt as it is, is actually closer to the mark with a "republic". The challenge is creating a well balanced government free of corruption, something we are not doing very well with right now. We need something like a "separation of business and state". Anyway, rioting and attacking police officers and breaking buildings only plays into the hands of those who want to create division and draw the mass into a gunfight. The passionate drawing of arms when it is not necessary is what leads to prolonged, bloody war and is directly behind the terrorist policies of many Middle Eastern groups.

4. There ARE peaceful and economic movements towards a better "new world order", some of them even exist within governments of various countries. People need to be reading, learning, and advocating these measures rather than cleaning their guns and waiting for the upcoming great war where more humans will mow themselves down needlessly, much to the delight of those who breed chaos.

5. There is no path to peace. Peace IS the path.


[edit on 15-6-2009 by AntonioDMastro]

I definitely hope that this is the case lol.

Originally posted by demo_man07

If you think the government is the enemy that has the power…you haven’t been paying attention.

The government(s) is the 'enforcer' for the corporate crime syndicates. As such, they DO have the power. Were it not for the enforcers, the honchos would have been eaten by now.

A 'New World Order' sounds quite biblical in my book. I mean really it sounds like scaremongering to me....

I have read the many facets of this thread and have reached a few conclusions.

1. the american sheeple will not rise up in anger and with violence to effect change. There are simply too few courageous individuals and even fewer groups committed to the ultimate sacrifice necessary for change. Most of these cannot even agree upon what to change , much less how to go about it. The few that will emerge will ruthlessly be crushed by the alphabet gestapo--FBI,CIA,ATF,DHS etc.

2. Our only hope is that our military recognizes that they they have sworn an oath to the constitution and have been trained at considerable expense to serve the whims of the american people-- not the corrupt criminals in our legislative and executive branches. When the mutinies begin, the necessary change will begin.

Finally, after we have escorted the corrupt and their benefactors to the gallows, the military can begin the process of returning the government back to people.

Originally posted by theEXxman
But, I had believed we needed a balance away from the previous ultra-conservative administration.

The Bush administration was not "ultra-conservative", or even recognizably conservative at all. The neo-cons hijacked the label of "conservative" in order to take advantage of the support, then proceeded to ACT in a decidedly ANTI-CONSERVATIVE manner. From Pariot Act to Bailouts, there wasn't a Conservative action detected during those years.

maybe I should have protested and put "None of the Above" on the write-in. Maybe next election someone should run a "None of the Above" not as a silly protest, but a very serious grass-roots protest to the PTB saying We the People are tired.

Think it's too late to legally change my name to "None Ofthe Above" and run on that ticket?

Originally posted by Amagnon

To go back to a free world will require the identification and disenfranchisement of the ultra wealthy, and laws put in place to curtail individual wealth, monopolies and the use of wealth to influence policy.

I was With you, all the way down to the last paragraph. Even then, I'm with you on two out of the three legal moves. I can't see curtailing individual wealth, as it appears to me that would be counter productive, curtailing as well the rewards for excelling. Now eliminating monopolies, and the use of wealth in influencing policy... yeah, I'm back with ya there!

That's all it would take to disenfranchise the ultra wealthy, so that their voice wouldn't buy any more politicians than anyone else's.

In this day and age the only "denial" comes from the Illuminati themselves. The "sheeple" aren't even denying it anymore...

Originally posted by AgentX09
I was aware of the one world monetary prophecy since the 70's but couldnt picture an actual scenario until now.And the speed and scope of the meltdown is staggering!I imagine the other prophecies will soon follow...

I believe the banking failures will be the weight that tips the scale to unrest. To me , it's the most logical happening, and goes right to the gut of human emotion. Tell people to come back tommorrow to get their money, and you have a problem. the first day of a bank holiday will start the ball rolling. It's close folks, very close. So many people are totally blind to what's going to happen.
i truly hope I'm wrong, I'd love to be wrong. We will see won't we.

Something to remember as we progress to chaos. When it comes to the Federal government, there is no right, left , or center. In the end, there are enough of them playing for the same team, to get anything they want passed. The results speak for themselves.
I will always contend, Bush 1+2 got the ball rolling, and Obama will finish the game. Folks, they are on the same team. might be a first string, second string thing, buit they all play on the same team. How else could they get so much stuff done with Americans asking their leadership-What-The -F__? They got control, and control is what its all about. Many day to day issues are smoke screens for the real work being done in the background. Gitmo--do you really think Obama gives a rats ass for those camel jockeys?? he's got bigger fish to fry.
The country's going under, and Gitmo, and any domestic other issue other than the economy is a smoke screen. Look behind the scenes, and watch what's going on. You'll see your personal rights flying out the window, never to be seen again. It's happening right before our eyes>...

Something to remember as we progress to chaos. When it comes to the Federal government, there is no right, left , or center. In the end, there are enough of them playing for the same team, to get anything they want passed. The results speak for themselves.
I will always contend, Bush 1+2 got the ball rolling, and Obama will finish the game. Folks, they are on the same team. might be a first string, second string thing, buit they all play on the same team. How else could they get so much stuff done with Americans asking their leadership-What-The -F__? They got control, and control is what its all about. Many day to day issues are smoke screens for the real work being done in the background. Gitmo--do you really think Obama gives a rats ass for those camel jockeys?? he's got bigger fish to fry.
The country's going under, and Gitmo, and any domestic other issue other than the economy is a smoke screen. Look behind the scenes, and watch what's going on. You'll see your personal rights flying out the window, never to be seen again. It's happening right before our eyes>...

Originally posted by AgentX09
I was aware of the one world monetary prophecy since the 70's but couldnt picture an actual scenario until now.And the speed and scope of the meltdown is staggering!I imagine the other prophecies will soon follow...

Me too, and yet most are in denial as to the 100% validity of the bible. I lost most of friends 20 years ago when I became a Christian. Barry Smith ( a New Zealander, now dead) was writing about this stuff well over 30 years ago. It's time to wake up and receive Christ (AKA God/creator of the universe) as saviour. He is the only one who will bring peace to this world, and the good news is He will. DO not fall into the traps and the deceit the god of this world is fousting upon you, he runs the media and tells you lies to create fear, fear is the only enemy, fight it like the plague.

Being "awakened" to a problem is not being awakened and or informed folks! If you dont know the solution and or reject the solution, you may as well stay asleep and party on down into the abyss.

NB: The devil is very busy at present in his efforts to discredit the bible with the massive influx of disinformation from the mystery school religions, and people like tsarion etc suck you into this by exposing illuminati symbolism and appearing as though they are informed, yes they are informed, because they are on the side of the illuminati. Satan/aka lucifer is not your friend come to bring you knowldege and truth, he is the father of all lies. He is very real, his number one deception is to get you to believe that he is not real. We know for a fact that the illumnati ruling elite are totally satanic and are into all sorts of dastardly deeds such as witch craft the blackest of black magic including human sacrifice. 911 was a mass human sacrifice as are all the starvation fields in the world, this is bringing them massive satanic power.

I mean my goodness 26000 children are starving to death every day and yet people are more concerned about to saving the planet the whales the fur seals and on and on and on. Dont get me wrong, Im all for that, but lets get things into perspective. Our planet travels a billion miles through deep empty space in a year, she is doing fine.

The NWO is an illuminati/satanic plan to usher in the anti-christ, he wil be like Hitler on a grand scale, first everything has to fall apart or appear to be falling apart so that people will believe the lie that anti-christ will provide the solution. This bloke will be like hitler on crack and will appear to be the saviour of the worlds problems, do not believe a cotton picken word of it. The solution to all of this is the lord Jesus Christ and the peace that he offers you now and for all eternity, receive it. Today is the day of salvation. Perfect love casts out all fear, and the Lord is perfect love.

Hitler failed, so will the anti-christ, and who knows this latest attempt to take over the world may just be another failed attempt but people need to wkae up and see that it is spirtual warfare that is going on now.

And if you think this is all about America, think again. To my knowledge, America doesnt even feature in end time prophesy. This battle between good and evil involves the whole world and right now the battle is spiritual warfare on a grand scale.

God bless you and keep you.

Things change folks... it's a big world. The singularity is near! EXCELSIOR!!!!!!!

It's not even about denial...

It's about caring...

I could care less if there is an NWO or not... my concerns are not with worldly items but the subjective sphere of existence.

Happiness is not an objective phenomenon....

It matters not what our world is like, it matters only how we feel about it...

You know what caused all of this?

A system that rewards laziness.
The easy amount of debt one can get into.
The amount of wasted money our government uses.

Hell, If I wanted to, I could go on a luxury vacation and rent some nice sports car, and eat out anywhere I wanted.

I feel about 1/3 of the current "struggling" are the ones who have been screwed so far by all of this. The amount of lazy people who refuse to work, and want government assistance is crazy.

Instead of people going out and getting jobs, even if they are minimum wage, they sit back at home crying for a 20 dollar an hour job like they once had, but no longer because they are not needed.

There are two sides to this. Power and voice. The power resides in the government, and the voice resides in the screwed. The people who really work do not have either.