Right-Wing Neocons Rooting For Ahmadinejad Win, page 4
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reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 06:57 AM by nenothtu
reply to post by grover


Sorry if I wasn't clear, Grover, it's no longer 'my' party. I left the republican party 6 years ago or so, after a 40-odd year association, and want nothing more to do with their fascist/ police state ways. Patriot Act pushed me over the edge. That's not 'limited government' in my book. Every act of theirs since then has been down hill.


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 07:38 AM by grover
reply to post by nenothtu

Good for you. It is refreshing to come across a conservative here on ATS who can use their brains without mush loosebowels telling them what to think.

It is not like some would have you think that all liberals are bad and all conservatives are good and vice versa... we both love our mutual country and want to see it prosper... we want to see it safe and want to see it as a force of good in the world... we just see different ways of going about it... that is all.

The Democrats moved to the left middle years ago and there really are few if any far left members in office... Bernie Saunders not withstanding... as far as I am concerned Paul Wellstone was the last legitimate far left member of congress.

In contrast the Republicans have been taken over by a cabal referred to as movement conservatives who as you noted are really not conservatives but economic nihilists... they have joined forces with the religious right and their policies give lie to the claim that Republicans stand for individual responsiblity... as the real conservative, Barry Goldwater argued in his later years that both abortion and gay issues had no business in conservative policy because they were individual matters... in trying to impose their viewpoint on others they deny others their right of individual repsonsiblity.

The knee jerk totalarism inherent in the patriot act is the same sort of thing in national security... we already had plenty of laws and procedures in place to provide national security we just needed to enforce.

Movement conservatism and Republicans who insist that the party needs to go further right will bury the elephant yet...

When we sit down as rational, thinking, reasoning individuals we find we have far more common ground than divisions between us.


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 05:50 PM by Sestias
It's a little late to be commenting on this post, since by now it's clear Achmadinejad has hijacked the election and put himself back in office. I don't believe the Iranian people as a whole elected him, but it looks like they're stuck with him again.

I don't know if one can classify those who were rooting for Achmadinejad as either conservatives or neocons specifically. There are just some people--like Rush--who hate Obama so much they would rather see the hardliner in office than to see anything that might validate Obama's efforts to use diplomacy before bullets. That's some extreme hatred.

I do believe, by the way, that RR Conservative was correct in saying the original neocons were disillusioned leftists who then became gung-ho conservatives. The neo-cons' belief that democracy should be exported abroad wherever and however possible is not, I think, shared by a lot of conservatives.

I read the Huff Post and find it a valuable source of information, regardless of its leftist leanings. All news outlets have their political biases one way or another--you can't get away from them. With all due respect to the source, though, I think the Post might be spinning somewhat.

I sincerely hope the extreme Obama haters are no more representative of conservatism than Stalin was of socialism and that no American in his or her right mind really wants to see what we're apparently going to get--Achmadinejad holding onto his power.


reply posted on 14-6-2009 @ 05:54 PM by grover
reply to post by Sestias


SHHH.... don't say RRconservative was right about anything too loud... it will go right to his head.
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