Right-Wing Neocons Rooting For Ahmadinejad Win

reply to post by johnny2127


I personally do not hate conservatives... certainly not the way some conservatives do us liberals... I profoundly disagree with their ideas and the policies that come out of them but that is all.

I will say it again the article was titled such so that is why I posted it as such... but if I could have I would have added some to it... since it is obvious that some people don't seem to understand that neither the article or I am saying that ALL conservatives or even all neo-conservatives....

.... MMMMMMMMM Mango... coconut rum and lime daiquiris.

if the gov came into the war illegally - then why do you think it's all going to end with an elecition...

It's odd - you guys say the Gov. lies, but then believe every news story totally from the same Gov. you just said are liers, and deceivers... You believe everything they say even if they were to come out, and say that they were cons, and ruint america on purpose, and do and still do rape children, as you would think you've won, without ever thinking that they got another plan, and could be controlling you at that very moment...

Just because they put out a report saying that project A does this - doesn't necessarily mean that project is in the future or past, but could actually be using project A on you right now...

Show how much you many of you know about the Gov., and that is jack squat...

Again if you think you've won = you've lost... So while all you think that all is good, and fun now - so you put down your guard, and turn off the lights only in mins to be forceably awaken by them dragging u off your bed into a fema truck headed to be raped, and killed in the fema camp....

reply to post by LostNemesis



Don't confuse patriotism with Nationalism. They are certainly not the same.


Grover

I would love to see a new beginning in Iran. If this can slow the march to war or stop it, then I support it. War is NOT what we need. Especially since we can't afford anything anymore.

Some people need to realize that Neo-cons and Conservatives are NOT the same thing. Just like Liberals and Neo-progressives are not the same thing.


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reply to post by projectvxn


I agree whole heartedly.

I personally know quite a few Persians aka Iranians and to a person they are decent human beings... they do not deserve the government they have... nor do we for that matter... ever... regardless of the party.

While both sides bicker, it really doesn't matter who wins. The mullahs in the background control everything that happens policy-wise in Iran. It's a democracy front with a Theocracy rulership in Iran. They are the real power in Iranian politics.

This article and many users of this website make the HUGE mistake of confusing NEOcon with Conservative. They are not one in the same and many of You have tried your hardest to muddy the waters in that respect to make others think they are. Shame on you!

I am a conservative. Ahmindeedyourdad is nothing more that a talking head. Why would it matter if he is in office or not, other then he puts a face on Iran. He is nothing more then an Ambassador or Representative of the Theocracy and the one who gets the pretty saber to rattle.

Originally posted by grover


I should hope my conservative friends would be as outraged by this as I am.

The same people who hawked the Iraq invasion on bogus grounds now want the hard liners in Iran to win... so we can continue down the same old tired path of confrontation and aggression.

Heaven forbid should diplomacy and reason be given a fair chance...

We should want reasonable people in power no matter the nation.

Hawks to the bitter end.

First of all, this is from the Huffington Post, which Huffs and Puffs nothing but blatantly biased hot air. They even had a supposed "Columnist" on there recently who began promoting Communism for America, and I feel that says everything in regards to their alleged "Integrity" as a News Source.

Second, I am so sick and tired of the overuse of the term: "Neo-Con". "Neo" simply means "New", so you are simply talking about Modern Conservatives. I fail to see how being a Modern Conservative should automatically have you pegged as being irrational, or of the basis from which you formulate views from an illogical vantage point. Why have people suddenly begun to use this term in a negative context?

Third, Operation OIF is completely justified on many different levels, the least of which happens to be that we deposed of a tyrant, and in the process, completed the mission we failed to accomplish back in 1991. As for the entire WMD debate, time and time again it was proven that entire convoys of Bio/Chem, and possibly Nuclear munitions were shipped across the border into Syria. At this point however, the details behind such information remain classified, so it essentially leaves everyone who hates the Military and/or their Work, to openly bash the conflict through which they are currently fighting.


As for the current elections in Iran, who in the world is wishing for Ahmadinejad to be re-elected? Most certainly no one that I know, and I myself tend to lean towards the Right, as do roughly half of my friends and acquaintances. I have NEVER heard of anyone wishing for such a fool to remain in power, and therefore I do declare this article to be nothing more than an attempt, yet again, at Partisan bashing for the pure joy of tossing forth Insults, Accusations, and Name Calling.

I do agree COMPLETELY with your statement here:

We should want reasonable people in power no matter the nation.

Originally posted by LostNemesis
Ahmedinejad is a Philosopher. He is a writer, a thinker.. and yes, a figurehead.
He is an intelligent man, and many of the citizens in Iran love him, and think he does what is necessary for them. Hey, to each their own.

Whether he is in power or not, you guys are right, those Neocons will still want war. That is what they crave, I think, when it comes down to it. Blind 'patriotism' and debt turns them on.

No, he is a puppet figurehead propped up by the Islamic Clerics who are really in power in Iran. You should do some research. The Iranian "Government" does not operate under the pretense of Seperation of Church and State as so many people believe the United States does. In fact, they make it obvious that in Iran, The church IS the state!

"Neocon" is a leftist term. If you mean "Conservatives", then, YES. They can make this distinction that the Iranian Government IS Islamic (maybe just one notch below what one would consider "Extremist" at that!)

It doesn't really matter to Conservatives who is elected in Iran. It will always be the Muslim Clerics in that nation who are calling the shots!

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reply to post by grover


Why do ALL of your threads/posts have a clear politically biased slant?

I have only ever heard the typical "neocon" spokes people claiming they wanted him out of office, I really have heard nothing from Republicans wanting him to stay?

Though I do see their point, him being ousted would make it appear Obama did something to help this ... um, like inviting him to a 4th of july cookout.. but in reality the people of Iran are just getting tiered of the same ol' BS, much like America was with Bush. "Change" I believe is what we called it in America.

(PS a Neocon is considered a Liberal infiltrator of the Conservative political base with Socialist views and strong Religious views..)

I am sure there are a few hyper Religious Conservative (Not to be confused with true conservatives) that wish he would stay, and that Israel would attack them, and that WW3 would break out and Jesus can come down and ... you know the story.

I think my point is.....


What's your deal?

reply to post by grover


Yo Grover dog pile a?

I think there are plenty of people who have bought the us and them to such a degree that
they believe war is the only way to defeat conservative Islamic extremism.

I think this is the same tenet that the con Islamic extremists hold over there, different side of the same coin. Nationalism, I'm my own island, tradition is sacred and can't be questioned," they are animals", we are on the right side of this, etc...

I think Iran would benefit from a progressive jolt drop the I me my's, kill kill kill,our way is the only way, we stand alone, god guides us, victory requires violence...

Anyhow its all the same pretenses, same sell, different breakfast starch.

One could take the things with a comma and apply it here or there.

Sorry cons but Iran needs LIBERALISM and bad.

Iran is a very good example of social conservative tenets gone loco.


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[edit on 13-6-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by grover

 

Why do ALL of your threads/posts have a clear politically biased slant?

I have only ever heard the typical "neocon" spokes people claiming they wanted him out of office, I really have heard nothing from Republicans wanting him to stay?

Though I do see their point, him being ousted would make it appear Obama did something to help this ... um, like inviting him to a 4th of july cookout.. but in reality the people of Iran are just getting tiered of the same ol' BS, much like America was with Bush. "Change" I believe is what we called it in America.

(PS a Neocon is considered a Liberal infiltrator of the Conservative political base with Socialist views and strong Religious views..)

I am sure there are a few hyper Religious Conservative (Not to be confused with true conservatives) that wish he would stay, and that Israel would attack them, and that WW3 would break out and Jesus can come down and ... you know the story.

I think my point is.....


What's your deal?

I think his deal is that in some matters it is very hard to decern the difference between conservative, neocons what ever. The conservative base at large voted in BUSH twice, even though he possessed the alleged "LIBERAL" qualities you tout. Frankly it is hard to buy the sell you are trying to make with your post, the patriotism, nationalism, milatarism and social agenda seemed to fine by conservatives HERE for years.
Further more it is not very conservative (RESPONSIBLITY), to lay blame of BUSH'S or the GOP'S disfunctions at the gates of liberalism. It is often used by... CONSERVATIVES
to explain or deflect the poor performance of their largest party. Its BS and sooner you
CONSERVATIVES actually take stock and inspect the real world results of your recent
applied ideology, the better.

The religious, militaristic, nationalistic, social hierachal, war/threat of force equates safety mindset that MAKES BUSH a LIBERAL, has nothing to do with liberal idealism.
More often than not Conservatives here try to strattle the line and blame all the woes of the country on an ideology ( damn LIBERALS) that has only held power for less the 1/3
of the last 30 years.

ALL of you conservatives are going to be SOL until you reevaluate the things you claim to believe and the practice of such ideas. A fair share of the recent problems AMERICA has faced were initially set into motion by these ideas.

Graham Leach Blily - great example of let the producers produce conservative cornerstone gone to pot. Which equates to letting the financial institutions to insure their own holdings with credit that is based upon credit. At the core of the idea was to let business do business, leave um alone and they will compete to win which will raise ALL SHIPS... Yet now it seems the only CONSERVATIVE explaination for the disaster is
BARNEY FRANKS and PELOSI - granted there is certainly blame to be laid.

I'm not speaking for Grover, but I can see where he is coming from.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by grover

 

Why do ALL of your threads/posts have a clear politically biased slant?

I have only ever heard the typical "neocon" spokes people claiming they wanted him out of office, I really have heard nothing from Republicans wanting him to stay?

First off you are not paying attention... the article says nothing about conservatives saying this and I reiterated that several times now and have also said that true conservatives should be as outraged as I am.

Second... I do have a political bias. Don't you?

I could say the exact same thing about ALL of your threads/posts as well but don't... I don't take exception to your conservatism why then take exception to my liberalism?

Finally... Unlike what these neo-con's in the article are saying... it is in America's best interest to see moderates and cooler heads in power... EVERYWHERE.

We just went through 8 years of an administration who put the ideology of aggression first, diplomacy afterward into practice and are still paying the price...

The neo-cons are ideologically driven and have consistently put ideology first, reason second through out the 30+ years of their existence and any good American should see how bad for our nation their policies have been and should not want any of them anywhere near the halls of power again.

And the same is true for their intellectual counterparts throughout the world.

Unfortunately, it really gets under my skin when folks conflate and confuse "right-wing", "conservative", and "neocon" . they're 3 entirely different critters. No self-respecting conservative will have anything to do with neocons, as they haven't a conservative bone in their bodies, and performed a hostile takeover of the main conservative party in the US, and have pretty much destroyed it. Conservatives are deserting the republican party in droves, or rather the party deserted THEM, and they won't return until the neocons are purged from it, if ever. That's what the republican 'leaders' can't seem to get through their thick heads, and why they keep predicting a republican 'resurgence' that ain't gonna happen. They just don't get it.

Romney and Giuliani? they're still republican mouthpieces, and NEITHER is a 'conservative'. Classic neocons. PFFFT!

During their entire tenure, the neocons have not done the first "conservative" thing, that I've been able to detect. They HAVE, however, besmirched the conservative name by claiming to speak for them.

Neocons DO NOT speak for conservatives, however much the Huffington Post wishes they did.

Did anyone think that maybe the conservatives want Ahmadinejad to win simply because the devil you know is better than the devil you don't?

reply to post by nenothtu

I agree with you whole heartedly on the fact that the neo-cons and movement conservatives are doing your party a world of damage.

BUT Huffington Post did not say that the neo-con's in question were speaking for conservatives.

reply to post by lpowell0627


We already know the other guy. he was in office back in the 80's and is a deifinate improvement of admadwhatshisname.

Originally posted by damwel
I think it's about time that conservatives realize what these neocons have done to your movement and your party. I would assume that you would be outraged. I am and would be if I were a conservative. These buffoons have been making fools out of you guys for years now. Step up and take back your party! Show the door to Limpbaugh, O'Reilly, Novak, Bush, Cheney, all of them. Make conservatism something to stand by and be proud of, not just a means for a few to use to consolidate their own power.
My opinion anyway...

In the same token, I think it's about time that liberals realize what these left wing wackjobs have done to your movement and your party. I would assume that you would be outraged. I am and would be if I were a liberal. These buffoons have been making fools out of you guys for years now. Step up and take back your party! Show the door to Michael Moore, Huffington, Olberman, Pelosi, Gore, all of them. Make liberalism something to stand by and be proud of, not just a means to implement a socialist government on an unsuspecting public that doesn't want it.
My opinion anyway...

Next time, take a step back and try looking at both sides of the coin. While there are those in the conservative movement who suffer from "foot-in-mouth" syndrome and are sometimes embarrassing to our cause, the same can be said for many liberals. The fact of the matter is that the majority of mainstream conservatives and the majority of mainstream liberals are good, honest, hard-working Americans who agree on a hell of a lot more than they disagree on. The problem is that we allow ourselves to be drawn into this political bickering and thus find ourselves divided when we should be united. I ask you... what does being a mouthpiece for the leftist agenda and attacking your fellow countrymen do for anybody?
Do you really think it helps? And have you ever considered the possibility that folks like Rush Limbaugh say the things they say because they are entertainers and they know that such comments will drive people like you crazy and only increase their ratings? Rush Limbaugh and some of the other names you mentioned are not the leaders of the conservative movement. They have not been elected to any leadership role in the republican party (currently) and do not speak for any of us. If you put as much weight behind what they say as we do behind what folks like Michael Moore and Charlie Rangel.

As for the topic itself... there would be little to no change in Iranian policy if Ahmadinejad lost. He is just a puppet for the Mullahs, albeit a racist and mentally ill one.

reply to post by Rasputin13
"He is just a puppet for the Mullahs, albeit a racist and mentally ill one."

How do you know this? Have you actually met the man? Or were you just told this by the MSM?

It still amazes me the number of people that will reply to a post about Iran and their president, and absolutely know NOTHING about either....

reply to post by grover


I have been watching the news today. Waiting for them to report on the hundreds of thousands of neo-cons dancing in the streets of America over the Iran election results. Have not seen a thing about it yet. I am looking out my window right now...nope no neo-cons dancing in the streets. As a matter of fact nobody is celebrating anything. Those pesky neo-cons,where are they when you need one.

I've never seen a neo-con
I hope I never see one
I can tell you any how
I'd rather see than be one....