I don't think it really matters honestly. His statement about it being a "public service" tells us the government will dictate every decision, more specifically, the auto task force. Which is lead by a pre-law 30 year old that was a campaign volunteer for Obama.

It doesn't matter, Obama doesn't know nothing about nothing, and his administration will fail ultimately in the end. Eventually the light from the torches will keep him awake at night.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Everyone more or less hates shopping for and buying a car, and the negotiating tactics, so really they couldn't have hardly served up a more attractive target to take peoples attentions off the banks and insurance companies.

Typical misdirecetion.

Right again , but when will the people finally say , enough is enough ?

Seems that the American people also currently have the perfect leadership to assist in the goal of misdirection . Current American leadership has a great deal of political dollars that they are spending big time . Will the star hood of the current leadership have enough political dollars to defer attention indefinitely ?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Each division of General Motors, Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, GMC Truck, Saturn, Cadillac, GMAC Financial, Onstar, XM Radio, GM Parts, has their own President that basically runs their division as a stand alone company.

Those are the people who are really tasked in getting the job done at GM.

The President of GM itself might say, yeah or nay to a car they want to take from concept to production, or say yeah or nay to trimming staff or adding staff etc, etc, but it's mostly a figure head job.

The most famous head of a GM division was John DeLorean who was an engineer and could design cars that would really sell.

Having a someone at the helm of GM who doesn't know anything about cars is a blessing. The worst scenario has always been that you have a President of a company who knows "something" about the product just to nix good projects.

Originally posted by stander

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Each division of General Motors, Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac, GMC Truck, Saturn, Cadillac, GMAC Financial, Onstar, XM Radio, GM Parts, has their own President that basically runs their division as a stand alone company.

Those are the people who are really tasked in getting the job done at GM.

The President of GM itself might say, yeah or nay to a car they want to take from concept to production, or say yeah or nay to trimming staff or adding staff etc, etc, but it's mostly a figure head job.

The most famous head of a GM division was John DeLorean who was an engineer and could design cars that would really sell.

Having a someone at the helm of GM who doesn't know anything about cars is a blessing. The worst scenario has always been that you have a President of a company who knows "something" about the product just to nix good projects.

John was a great designer, a terrible businessman and the world's stupidest drug smuggler.

100 pounds of Cocaine at LAX in his luggage at the ticket counter?

Come one John it's a 2 bag limit 40 pounds a piece what the heck were you thinking, don't you ever read your Airline tickets?

I spoke with John a few times following that incident, we used to both frequently eat at the same restaurant in Beverly Hills.

John was such an exceptional designer the 1993 Pontiac Firebird that got rave revues when it came out for it's sculpted contoured composite body pannels had actually been designed as the Pontiac Banshee in 1963 by John Delorian but the technology did not exist at the time to manufacture it.

This is something people don't understand about General Motors. They are like the Vatican in that the stuff they have stored away in archives and vaults is practically limitless. A good idea in 1993 was a good future idea in 1963. How many companies are there really that could hold on to a concept that long, and just wait for technology to match vision?

General Motors writes a 100 year business plan every year to go along with the standard 1 year business plan most companies write.

Thats really how far ahead they think, and Americans in general are pretty silly to not pay better attention to what American companies are really producing.

5 of the top 10 selling vehicles in the United States are GM and Fords. Now think of how many other countries export autos to the U.S., Japan, German, Italy, France, Korea, England, and that doesn't factor in engines made in Brazil, and vehicles put together in Canada and Mexico.

From a reliabilty standpoint and cost of maintenance standpoint several U.S. vehicles really hold up great and hold their value too. U.S. Consumers often driven simply by opinion don't care.

They will point to a 16,000 Dodge and say I bought one and it wasn't anywhere near as good as the 21,000 dollar Toyota I replaced it with.

They never stop to ask, would the 21,000 GM that was comprable have been even better?

Yet they all complain about the economy, yet every chance they get, they decry people making a living union wage that's in excess of their own, and spend every penny they can earn borrow or steal on something made in China or Japan or India without even the slightest notion that hey...most of that money is going to that country now to stay.

John DeLorean was a great car guy, and honestly I think GM might have had something to do with setting him up for that arrest, do you know how long a stainless steel Delorean would take to rust through?

Why in Back to the Future I, II, and III that car saw three centuries of service, Michael J. Fox has not held up as well as a Deloreon does!

Originally posted by Max_TO

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Everyone more or less hates shopping for and buying a car, and the negotiating tactics, so really they couldn't have hardly served up a more attractive target to take peoples attentions off the banks and insurance companies.

Typical misdirecetion.

Right again , but when will the people finally say , enough is enough ?

Seems that the American people also currently have the perfect leadership to assist in the goal of misdirection . Current American leadership has a great deal of political dollars that they are spending big time . Will the star hood of the current leadership have enough political dollars to defer attention indefinitely ?

The Powers that Be didn't spend 2 billion dollars running him because he couldn't play the part.

The beauty of it is...is he even told people...there needs to be a redistribution of wealth (oh he means me, he is going to give money to me yeah!) he even told people...the Constitution is outdated (Oh he means me, he's going to gaurantee the money he gives to me! yeah) where do I vote for this guy?

People are so dumb.

I would be worried but we have Dooper on our side! When the SHTF he is going to save us...

Right Dooper? right...buddy? Help!!!!!!

New GM chairman: 'I don't know anything about cars' That's got to be the funniest thing Ive seen for a long time. Go figure.

It reminds me of Congress asking all bankers who loan money to please raise their hands. Wow

Originally posted by wonderworld New GM chairman: 'I don't know anything about cars' That's got to be the funniest thing Ive seen for a long time. Go figure.

Well, ultimately, I don't want the know-it-all with the head full of stuff who forgets one detail and everything folds...I want the guy who knows how to hire the best...all down the line...and knows where to get what he needs.

A good salesman can sell anything, right? A good manager can manage anything. And in this global economy, I think an MBA trumps a mechanic's certificate in terms of running a multinational corporation.

Unless you wanna throw Frank Stronach in my face...