Carradine mystery deepens, family seeks FBI help

reply to post by grapesofraft


I'm not objecting at all, I'm just poking holes in your argument which already looks like an old fish net.

The bible hasn't covered anything about what this guy did, it's obvious to me he didn't commit suicide. So having any kind of biblical angle on this at all is impossible.

You might think you have some kind of elevated moral position because you're saying repeatedly how sick this guy was. But that just makes you judgemental, nothing else. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

reply to post by Lazyninja


Well I doubt that Mr. Carradine got the idea to choke himself while he rubs one out from God. Actually, he is just living (well not anymore) proof of the risk of following your own sick desires. I guess if you want to risk suffocating yourself to get your rocks off then we should all let you.

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask


my fantasy world? like i said before it sounds to me like you are getting off on this........you have absolutely no proof that he did anything with anyone other than another consenting adult and theres not proof of THAT yet.........sounds to me like you are the one in a fantasy land, and a sick one at that....

I don't need a PROOF to form an opinion. A PROOF constitutes a FACT, and when facts are known, opinions or other speculative arguments are not needed. On one side, you granted me the benefit of being entitled to an opinion, and now you deny me the benefit of having one -- all based on illogical reasoning.

There has been no argument that would rule out presence of another person in the room. On the contrary, the alleged photo of dead Carradine shows that his hands were tied. Since you can't see the type of knot used, you are free to assume that someone else could do the tying.

The circumstantial evidence can hardly rule out another person in that room, and so I have formed my opinion accordingly. In addition, Bangkok is a place known for a great opportunity for a tourist males to engage in activities that are prohibited by law elsewhere. Having said that, I don't see anything illogical in the scenario where another person was in the room with David Carradine. But I wouldn't call it a fact -- just an option.

Why don't you try to get up from your mental wheelchair and walk away from whatever seated you in it?

oops, premature post.

editschmedit

[edit on 8-6-2009 by resistor]

Originally posted by Sonya610
Some of the comments in this thead that make him out to be some horrible sick freak are a bit over the top. Who cares if he enjoys a little asphyx?

Lots of guys watch porn, LOTS of them. In some countries having a heart attack while watching porn would be considered scandalous and the guy would be considered a complete pervert. How many that are criticizing Carradine so viciously have never watched 2 min porn huh?

People can do what they like in the privacy of their own homes (or closets) and as long as it doesn't hurt others no one else has a right to criticize.

I agree Sonya, and as someone who has experienced much that many would consider sick and twisted (and liked it), I empathize with just about anything that doesn't victimize another. But the whole erotic-asphyxiation thing is completely beyond me. If you happen to know, I would very much like to hear what it's all about. Is there some sort of physiological effect that heightens pleasure, or is it a death wish-psychological thing? PM me if you want.

reply to post by resistor


Wow this place is turning into one of those adult chat rooms where everyone can share their perversions and how-to's. Unbelievable!

OK, I think things are getting a bit morbid and ugly now.

David Carradine, who none of us knew, is dead. Were he not a celebrity there would be no discussion of this unfortunate death.

He managed to get through 72 years doing whatever he did. We lack information, but there is some possibility he was murdered and placed in that position in an attempt to avert suspicion.

For now it looks like death through misadventure.

If so, no one was victimized. He caused his death prematurely. A very uncommon way to die. But as I mentioned, I knew someone who died from the same cause. According to his girlfriend's description, he was sitting in the Lotus position and got tangled up in the equipment he was using.

Carradine might have died in a car accident, drowned, or for one of many reasons where poor judgement is exercised.

We shouldn't use the occasion of someone well known's death in some way connected to their sexuality to feel a self-righteous superiority.

Something similar might happen to one of us some day.


Mike

Originally posted by resistor
oops, premature post.

editschmedit

[edit on 8-6-2009 by resistor]

A premature what?

How can you type with your hands tied?



Like I see the key turning in that lock pretty soon.

How can so many of you make such ridiculous comments about what a man chooses to do with himself? You have no right to pass judgment on how someone chooses to get off, if that is indeed how he died. He was harming no one, just doing something he enjoyed. It disgusts me that people are calling him a sexual deviant and laughing at this.



R.I.P. David Carradine.

Originally posted by resistor
If you happen to know, I would very much like to hear what it's all about. Is there some sort of physiological effect that heightens pleasure, or is it a death wish-psychological thing? PM me if you want.

Lack of blood flow to the brain heightens certain "sensations" for some individuals. It is most definitely physiological. Not my thing but I have known some that were very into it, it is not all that uncommon in some circles.

reply to post by PullThePin


Actually we do have a right to pass judgement. It is called freedom of thought and freedom of speech. I guess we should all just accept whatever everyone does and not say anything negative about anything.

Originally posted by Sonya610
Lack of blood flow to the brain heightens certain "sensations" for some individuals. It is most definitely physiological. Not my thing but I have known some that were very into it, it is not all that uncommon in some circles.

It actually works a bit like Viagra and it works for males. This is how it came to the attention:

Historically, the practice of autoerotic asphyxiation has been documented since the early 1600s. It was first used as a treatment for erectile dysfunction and impotence.[2] The idea for this most likely came from subjects who were executed by hanging. Observers at public hangings noted male victims developed an erection, sometimes remaining after death (death erection), and occasionally ejaculated when being hanged. Note that, however, ejaculation occurs in hanging victims after death because of disseminated muscle relaxation; this is a different mechanism from that sought by AEA practitioners.

Speaking of "death erection" mentioned in the Wiki excerpt . . . There is case from the pre-Viagra days where a woman strangled her husband to death, coz that was the only way for him to get it up. Since the DA handling the case was a female, the woman was charged with manslaughter and not with premeditated murder.

Originally posted by stander
It actually works a bit like Viagra and it works for males. This is how it came to the attention:

Speaking of "death erection" mentioned in the Wiki excerpt . . . There is case from the pre-Viagra days where a woman strangled her husband to death, coz that was the only way for him to get it up. Since the DA handling the case was a female, the woman was charged with manslaughter and not with premeditated murder.

Book learnin' done made you an expert!

In fact it is very popular among some females as well, and most male practitioners want the effect towards the "end" and do not need it to get the process started.

Death via hanging results in a male orgasm AFTER the moment of death, asphyx practitioners don't plan to have it that late, as it would sort of defeat the purpose. They get off on the lack of bloodflow to the brain (and will use plastic bags as well if that is their preference, same sensation).

BTW my info does not come from wikipedia, but from conversations with people that are into that (or from articles/websites/photos devoted to the topic).


[edit on 9-6-2009 by Sonya610]

reply to post by Sonya610


Well isn't this special. Now this thread is giving explicit instructions on how to perform auto-erotic asphyxiation. I guess I wasted my time reading tne T & C for this website, since people on here seem to be able to do whatever they want.

People die from sex all the time. Viagra and Cialis made it even more common. I think Viagra induced heart attacks far outnumber asphyx cases! Cheated husbands and wives kill each other fairly often. People fall out windows trying to get away when someone comes home unexpectedly. It is a dangerous hobby, and that makes it all the more fun!!

It is only sad that his family has to know he died that way. I think it was great that at 72 he still had the desire and confidence to attempt such complicated sex tactics.

I for one think all sex should be open, honest, and enjoyable for all. It is as common as eating or sleeping. It is necessary for survival of our species. It is enjoyable. It is a healthy physically, and emotionally. It has been going on since the beginning of time. It is sad that many people live their whole lives "missionary" style! Branch out and explore some folks. Buy a book! Leave the blinds up once in a while! You will stay immensely younger and more flexible.

reply to post by Sonya610


Just what I signed up for. So I could read the instructions from a man dressed as a woman on how I can perform auto-erotic asphyxiation on myself.

reply to post by grapesofraft

It just seems to me that people are discussing this topic openly.
Afterall, it was reported that Mr. Carradine died in the midst of a sexual act.
Nothing wrong with talking about said act.
This is a conspiracy theory website and discussion is encouraged; on a myriad
of topics.
I, personally, do not agree with this type of sexual practice.
What I do agree with is open minded debate.

You appear to be thumping and tooting your own horn. I mean absolutely no offense by this. Just an observation.

Peace...

Originally posted by grapesofraft
reply to post by Sonya610

 

Just what I signed up for. So I could read the instructions from a man dressed as a woman on how I can perform auto-erotic asphyxiation on myself.

She never addressed the "how." Only the physiological aspect, which is very pertinent to the thread! Even the "how" would be pertinent, since this is a probably a case of an accidental death by the mis-application of this practice. Did you expect people to not discuss how he may have died?

You seem a little sensitive, since you posted your disapproval not once, but twice. Maybe that is a tell-tale sign. A "pair" of posts, and a hyper sensitivity to the discussion of sex. A personal attack on the sexuality of a picture of a poster that may or may not really be them. (Is it more offensive to post a picture in leathers, or the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse?)

Hmmmmmmm, maybe you should "pair up!" The world may look a little rosier after!

reply to post by Gyrochiral


Well thanks for your observation and comments. They are appreciated. After all I am not perfect. I just find that this thread has crossed a line when people start giving directions to others on how to do it, or that they even promote something that is potentially deadly. I guess I misunderstood what ATS was all about.

I believe I will take your advice and leave this thread before things get even more graphic and they start comparing results with one another.

Originally posted by grapesofraftJust what I signed up for. So I could read the instructions from a man dressed as a woman on how I can perform auto-erotic asphyxiation on myself.

Man dressed as a woman? I am most definitely female.

You seem to enjoy reading about these "perverse topics" and sounding "oh so offended and disgusted" by them, I bet I am not the only one here who finds that just a little bit odd. This topic is just so offensive to you that you can't stop clicking on it!!! Hmmm.