Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
So what I have gathered from this thread, and correct me if you disagree, is that there is no truth, only individual perception. We really cant rely on any source of information, because it could all be intentionally false or merely someone elses misinterpretation. So therefore truth is dead, because there are no absolutes in a world of perception. Therefore we can only trust our judgements derived from our own limited faculties.

There is a truth for all things. Some are knowable, some are unknowable. For example, the person justsomeboreddude is unknowable. One may know facets of justsomeboreddude, such as that he likes trolling on this forum, but it is impossible to know all of the facets of justsomeboreddude.

But other things, such as 9/11 have a real truth, and is obvious that what the govt says about the event is not the truth, and thus we must reveal as many facets of the truth as we can, first by presenting evidence that does not correspond with the official theory, and then hopefully eventually getting a real investigation.

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
How do conspiracy theorists know the "truth" when we all have acccess to the same info? I mean we all have TV, the internet, library cards, etc. So how is it that conspiracy theorists find the "truth", while the rest of us seem to miss it. Are conspiracy theorists smarter than the rest of us, or is it that the rest of us just cant handle the "truth"? Also, how does a conspiracy theorist know they are right?

They don't find any "truth". You have conspiracy theorists making assumptions based on evidence at hand, and you have career conspiracy theorists making wild assumptions based on evidence at hand. One group don't get much attention, the other group make millions of dollars working a perpetual con.

You make a beautiful point. I often find myself thinking that there is something up, something's not right, and somebody is behind it. However, as much as I enjoy this site, when I read what many post I am just like, "WOW!" There are some delusion, hate filled people out there.
And, just because some dude has looked at information for 60 years and come up with a theory does NOT make him right.
As Jack Johnson says, "Fact is only what you believe...fact and fiction work as a team."

Thanks for posting.

the super dreaded nefarious double post.

[edit on 6/5/2009 by justsomeboreddude]

If all I watched was MSNBC, then I'd be saying what a wonderful job Obama is doing, people are working, the Middle East loves us, and the US is getting better every day that Bush is now out of office (that evil anti-christ)!
If I watched Fox News then I'd be saying how lousy Obama is doing, unemployment is increasing, the Middle East hates us, and the US is getting worse every day that the anti-christ (Obama) is in office.

Conspiracy Theorists look beyond the rhetoric. They don't base their information on opinion pieces. They actually look at the data that the MSM tries to warrp to whatever agenda that they may have.

00.02 . . . . . I'm just sayin'. . . . . .

No one really "Knows" anything for sure. The scope of the subject of life is really multi-dimensional. It is karma in action. Everyone has certain affinities and intuitions and an inner guidance. Peoples personal "condition" has a lot to do with it. Education is vastly overrated. People with high degrees don't necessarily have "understanding" or affinity with a subject. Memorizing and training can be of value but are also hindrances. Most people do not care for truth. No one is benevolent beyond their own self interest. We all skew our understandings to fit out desperate needs what ever they may be. The more attachment a person has the less objective. Knowledge is a process of descent. One must rise about the subject and look down on it to sort out the details. This is very difficult if not impossible when the true causes are not initiated on this plane of existence.

Originally posted by Finalized
However, I do believe there is something to 9/11 and I base that on one simple piece of evidence. Those buildings fell at near free fall speed, which means they had no resistance as they came down.

I didn't think this was supposed to be in particular a 9/11 truth thread but since its here...

One thing I do observe is that collapses began in the area of the fire where the buildings were weakened by the impacts. Another thing is that the south tower collapsed first despite being the last to be hit because it was damaged at a lower point, thus there was more weight above the point of damage.

The towers were constructed such that removal of the floors to support the walls would leave it without any substantial stiffness.

Why would demolishing at the point the collapse began give a different freefall speed than the remaining support at the same level simply giving way? In either case, the portion above the damage acquired sufficient momentum when falling as a unit to start unzipping joints below it. Also, the outer skin being peeled open by the mass above can act like a lever arm against the floor-skin joints requiring very little force to snap them.

One thing to note is that much of the steel inner core did not collapse with the rest of the building. On videos with the proper point of view, it is still visibly standing for awhile after the walls and floors came down. To say it all came down at nearly freefall speed is not quite true.

Nothing above is some MSM or official line I am eating up. It's where my own thinking on the matter leads me, and before any explanations started becoming public. I've failed to see any good case to make me change it. I'm sure similar arguments have been made ad nauseum within the forums anyway-- probably better ones.


[edit on 6/5/2009 by EnlightenUp]

It comes down to intelligence, perspective, and emotional/mental health being balanced with reason and logic.

Some people are not "bright" enough to see the truth within the information they have, some people simply do not care, some people read the information and come to different conclusions then others, some people are fearmongers and thrive on chaos fear and panic so they make nothing out of the little things, some people are mentally ill and read too deeply or too literally and misconstrue , some people do not understand the information that they have due to learning disabilities, some people who speak the "truth" have their own agenda and saw that there was a world of people who would fall/fight for anything then manipulate those people , some people choose to not view any information at all and live with a "blind" view on the topics leaving them ignorant.


There are so many variables and possibilities on why people believe they know things others don't some times it is validated some times it is not.
It's really impossible to come down to one definable answer on why people know/don't know the truth when it's right in their face.

Conspiracy theorists are like little kids. They see shapes and patterns in the shadows and most probably suffer from clinical pareidolia.

They see things they don't understand and apply deep meaning to them. They then take this false concept of a thing, and apply in in their reasoning process to arrive an some conclusion - one that is often predetermined because they hold a bias that such a conclusion must be real.

If you conclude that the world is ruled by reptilians, you can rationalize all types of evidence in order to support your conclusion. Let's not forgot the #1 logical fallacy which conspiracy theorists rely on, which goes something like this:

Normal:
Person 1: I have baseball!
Person 2: Ok, prove it!
Person 1: Here it is, see!
Person 2: Ok, I believe you.

Conspiracy:
Person 1: I have baseball!
Person 2: Ok, prove it!
Person 1: PROVE THAT I DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!!

It's the whole "You can't prove that something or other isn't the case, therefore I am stupid and believe I am making a point."

Or... "Prove it's not a UFO!"

(Subsequently, the person who says that believes they now have proof of a UFO [or that the unavailable not-proof is evidence that it might exist and they adopt the notion that "1000 blurry pictures must = 1 UFO... this idea is illustrated in the "... but there are too many accounts of UFOs by pilots and others!"] based on the fact that it can't be proven to be one because the video is blurry and the object 50 miles away, in space, with no reference points!)

In the span of a lifetime, it is hardly possible to study the intricate operations and relationships between the federal government, international organizations, private business, etc... and get a grasp for how this planet and all of its institutions are interdependent on one level or another with each other. This makes it clear that the conclusion that an "NWO" exists is one that is a preconceived conclusion that there exists a "higher controlling power" and is easily seen at various stages and cultures in our civilization.

Of course, this site facilitates just a flawed attitude with it's brainwashing slogan "Deny Ignorance" as if ignorance could ever be denied. We are all born fools and will all die fools, surely ignorant of a plethora of things that we could have learned, yet even given all the time in the universe it is impossible to know everything.

People have historically applied nonsensical causes for various events, be it spirits who are responsible for the weather or a god/gods which are responsible for external events or even human endeavors. The idea of an NWO is the singular entity/description for the myriad of interdependent factors working individually toward a common goal that is innate in the human condition. From individuals we form families, from families tribes. From tribes we form nations. From nations, countries; from countries unions. It is our destiny as humans to form a world.

I find the conpiraciy theorists know less than anyone else, they will only read that which backs up thier claims and push aside that which counters any information they believe...like the ufo believers. I find them to be extremely paranoid and see things in just about everything...movies, tv, music, etc.... They do make for very interesting posts though...when your bored read them...it never makes sense, so read for entertainment purposes. The real answer is they think they know more than everyone else but are as clueless as everyone. People who disagree with them will be called "SHEEPLE" which I find to be rather lame..or disinfo agent. They do nothing but complain and do nothing to stop these so-called conspiracies.

[edit on 5-6-2009 by kerazeesicko]

Well I know there is a conspiracy by tptb to make my Mars Bars smaller. I know it, I saw it in the paper even.. and I...

Wait, the paper.. That's the MSM !! OMG, am I a fool!!

My Mars Bars MUST therefore be the same size they've always been 8[

Must me me getting bigger, I guess..