How do conspiracy theorists know the truth when we all have acccess to the same info?, page 7
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reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:39 AM by prevenge
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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So couldnt this just be caused by class warfare and jealousy as opposed to being based on any facts.


again.. it's possible.

probable? again.. I don't think so... not so fast there buddy.

I love your million wide gap jumps to conclusions... they're riddled with persuasive intent.

you're postulating that millions of people people are going out of their way to research facts and use them in a manner that is only meant through their will, to somehow remove funds from people with more money than they, and to allocate said funds into their hands.

this "class warefare" hasn't really been thought out very well on the side of said "conspiracy theorists".. or by you for that matter.

the time and energy spent in researching conspiracy and collectively amalgamating it into cohesive presentations is monumental compared to the time and energy it takes to sit in front of a cash register at wal-mart for your daily minimum wage to just get by in this faltering economy.

your hypothesis that this is class warefare is lacking in reward.
on the whole, there's no monetary inscentive behind being a "conspiracy theorist".

in my opinion your posts and questions especially in this thread are time wasters with redundant questions that keep the reader chasing their tail. it's boring and ridiculous i have a hard time accepting the fact that i spent as much time as i have responding to your mundane and base-level queries.

you aren't just some bored dude.

if you really wanted the answers to your questions you'd research everything you are asking about and then come to logical conclusions just like any human being.

you say" how do conspiracy theorists know the truth when we have access to the same info"

access is access.
knowledge that that said access is there is another thing.

a prisoner could have the key to his own prison right inside his own body... and die in prison.... never even knowing that the key was there all along.
he definitely had access to it.
he just didn't know it was there.
he didn't LOOK.

access to knowledge
is not the same as the awareness of access to knowledge.


your initial question is more along the lines of what a sadistic prison guard would ask the prisoner who has the key within his own body.
jangling his ring of keys..nanny-nanny-boo-boo-ing in mockery of the imprisoned.

meanwhile the prison guard has his own key to his own psychological liberty.. but doesn't even know it.

and the keys to the prison cells are merely superficial replicas.

get out while you still can, OP.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 07:24 AM by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by justsomeboreddude



I don't pretend to know the truth about anything but I know there are plenty on this site that do like to think they have it all figured out. The way I see it anyone who thinks they know the truth is lying to themselves. We humans have so tentative a grasp on science and the nature of reality that at this point it can be said we know next to nothing for certain.

I think a good conspiracy theorist shouldn't think they know the truth but instead should be skeptical and doubt any theory that touts itself as the truth. Every supposed "truth" must be weighed before it is accepted. A Conspiracy theorist who believes the first answer to defy the mainstream or fit his views is no better than one of the sheeple...



reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 09:46 AM by Fan-Out
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
How do conspiracy theorists know the "truth" when we all have acccess to the same info? I mean we all have TV, the internet, library cards, etc. So how is it that conspiracy theorists find the "truth", while the rest of us seem to miss it. Are conspiracy theorists smarter than the rest of us, or is it that the rest of us just cant handle the "truth"? Also, how does a conspiracy theorist know they are right?



One can only know their truth, so their truth can variety from their perception of
how they look at a certain event or information. So if a person does not got a quite broad perception receptivity.
From what i gathered is that the way the information is put forward has a distinct effect on the receiver. "Look at a dog for example, when a dog sees human that walks unnatural its unknown" So the unknown will respond with fear. Same if you walk in the dark, since it becomes scarier then in the day.
And how do you know if you are right?
Well id say that it depends on how in tune you are with urself and ur development in this human experience on earth. You will also get confirmation about a certain things if you took made the wrong decision to be able to progress more. What i can recommend is to get in touch with yourself and ur intuition and what you feel is right. Since it all end up about you, and its only you who can help and the more you can help urself the more you can help others.
We all are teachers and we are here to learn about each other and we are in this together.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:10 PM by justsomeboreddude
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Interesting post. I am not saying that people believe in conpsiracies to take money from the rich. I am saying they may believe in conspiracies about the rich because they are jealous of the power and wealth of certain people. So instead of facing their own shortcomings they attribute evil intent upon those that do achieve. By doing so they find someone to blame for not becoming who they want to be. Sometimes it is much easier to have an enemy that is holding you back then to face the real enemy within.

So to use your analogy. It would be like having the key to the cell you are locked in your pants pocket, but being too fearful of what is on the other side of the door. So you dont try to get the key out, because you tell yourself what is the point, as soon as I open the door they are just going to toss me back in and take the key.

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reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:20 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by Titen-Sxull



Wow what an excellent post. A star for you. IMO you are very correct. I see what you mean by many sides being sheep, for they believe in their side only, while not having any more proof than the person they disagree with. Maybe each side has an ounce of truth, but neither is absolute truth.


reply posted on 6-6-2009 @ 12:25 PM by justsomeboreddude
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Just wonderful. Gave you a star.. made you a friend. I love people with different views than mine. I never get over commited to an idea. Sometimes I just take an idea and run with it for a while until I wear it out and then I might take the exact opposite view and run with it for a while. Usually, I settle in the middle by the time I get to the end.


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 01:44 AM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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post by EnlightenUp



Just wonderful. Gave you a star.. made you a friend. I love people with different views than mine. I never get over commited to an idea. Sometimes I just take an idea and run with it for a while until I wear it out and then I might take the exact opposite view and run with it for a while. Usually, I settle in the middle by the time I get to the end.


Ha, well. As a bloviating, intellectually challenged, pallid, overbloated bag of poo once said: Believe in something, even if it's wrong!



Edit: amusing bonus link
Caution: Strong language!

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reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 03:49 PM by justsomeboreddude
reply to post by EnlightenUp



Well believing in something is good. But there is really no way to judge something until you place yourself in the shoes of both sides. Then even when you pick sides, it doesnt make it the truth, it just makes it your opinion that it is true or correct. Unless you can unquestionably proof with facts why your position is the only correct answer to the question.

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reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 04:15 PM by randyvs
reply to post by Rocketgirl

here in lyes the problem.; itsnotjustinformation!!!! if the PROOF didnt back up the info.and blow gigantic gapping wholes in the govt's own
conspiracy theory/official story, there would be no" theorists".So maybe
when their are these" theorists"if your not one of them ,take a clue and
look at the proof. thr red pill or the blue pill ?whats it gonna be?


reply posted on 7-6-2009 @ 04:22 PM by EnlightenUp
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
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post by EnlightenUp



Well believing in something is good. But there is really no way to judge something until you place yourself in the shoes of both sides. Then even when you pick sides, it doesnt make it the truth, it just makes it your opinion that it is true or correct. Unless you can unquestionably proof with facts why your position is the only correct answer to the question.

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That is fine except there will always be dissenters, no matter how many facts support or refute a particular theory. In essence, where there is anyone that believes the facts or the facts that the facts rely on are open to any sort of interpretation, there will be disagreement, even when all the same information is actually available and even known by each person. Why? Because there are certain facts that no FOIA document, news article or scientific paper can include and that is the unique experiences of the individual.

Heh, I guess I took an unexpected turn down Robert Anton Wilson e-Prime boulavard.

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reply posted on 9-6-2009 @ 05:07 AM by Amagnon
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
How do conspiracy theorists know the "truth" when we all have acccess to the same info? I mean we all have TV, the internet, library cards, etc. So how is it that conspiracy theorists find the "truth", while the rest of us seem to miss it. Are conspiracy theorists smarter than the rest of us, or is it that the rest of us just cant handle the "truth"? Also, how does a conspiracy theorist know they are right?



Firstly your using a massive generalization using the words 'conspiracy theorist', bundling a whole range of people and issues together so you can question the validity of all persons and all theories.

Calling people CONSPIRACY THEORISTS is total fraud and lie. As goes the theme of most of your posts. Explanations for events and observations outside of the normal mainstream view does not make a conspiracy theory - it makes it an alternative explanation.

Additionally the sucking up positive affirmation posts you use to pat your supporters on the head makes me feel physically ill - your approach in this thread is the usual serving of moron level psychology I have come to expect from you.

The simple answer to your question goes like this;

People who believe in something outside of the mainstream often do because they are BETTER INFORMED, have taken the time to RESEARCH and assess CONFLICTING points of view and simply don't BELIEVE everything they are told.

Each so called conspiracy theory needs to be addressed on its own merits - some have copious evidence, other issues do not. Then it falls to each person to judge the evidence for themselves - they are not 'conspiracy theorists' - they are people who are interested in getting more facts than the biased rubbish that is served as staple fare for the masses via the television and newspapers.

The great bulk of people will simply believe anything they are told, it is easier not to ask questions and not to look at evidence that conflicts with the mainstream view.

The people on these forums are generally people who are NOT ready to simply believe everything they hear, and follow the herd. They want more information - they want as much evidence from all sides as possible so they can make informed decisions and judgments.

In short your whole question about CONSPIRACY THEORISTS is insulting, generalized and nonsense.

MANY PEOPLE ARE JUST SICK OF BEING TOLD WHAT TO THINK AND HOW TO ACT AND WHAT IS TRUE - THEY WANT TO FREE THEIR MINDS AND THINK FOR THEMSELVES - THEY ARE LIKELY TO COME TO A MORE ACCURATE MODEL THAN SOMEONE WHO INVESTIGATES NOTHING.


reply posted on 10-6-2009 @ 05:11 AM by DARREN1976
reply to post by Amagnon



You hit the nail bang on the head there brother,I couldnt of said it better myself, when I joined up here it was because it was supposede to be dedicated to opening your mind and denying ignorance! never anywhere did i see it say that it was a de-bunk site devoted to ridiculing peoples theories and then when failing miserably at that de-volving in to a slanging match and name calling! that kind of stuff peeves me off, if people want to believe there is a pot of leprechauns gold at the end of a rainbow then let them believe it! dont make them feel stupid for it, hey if you dont want to open your mind or just plain learn anything new then no-ones asking them here, i call shenanigans lol! i think the name troll comes to mind when dealing with some people like this, not everyone, just some. Oh, and i apologise for going slightly of topic Mods!
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