Young Jews Spew Racist Anti-Obama Rants, page 3

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Now a question for you. If you truly believe that the citizens of Israel are involved in a systematic, concealed effort to eradicate Palestinians, why has the number of Palestinians increased over the last 60 years? (Read PEOPLE, not settlements.)

I know the amount of their land holdings has radically decreased over the past 60 years.
As far as the census data on the numbers of actual Palestinians I wouldn’t know which source if any could reflect those numbers accurately.

At the risk of assumption most humans breed like bunny rabbits!

This though is a conspiracy perpetuated by Cuban cigar manufacturers and not any other group!

That is your opinion. Invariably everybody bases their opinions on emotional reactions from time to time. I have no vested interest in trying to strengthen the reputation of Israel or Jews in general. I just get angered when I see people express opinions that are based off of exaggerated lies. Then other people who join them trying to make it seem more believable. Then seeing these same people label anyone who does not share their opinion as a part of the conspiracy or disinfo agents.

As I pointed out to my original post in this thread I wouldn’t commit my nation’s military to something a bunch of rowdy drunken under 26 years of age males whose frontal lobes are still misfiring have to say!

I don’t wish to be contrary but obviously you do have a vested interest as you are investing your time to that proposition.

I too sometimes get confused as to whether I want to wear sandals or tennis shoes!

Secondly, real Judaic commandments are based off of the written old testament. These are seen as the direct words from God and contain no opinions from those other than the word of God himself. Nothing in the talmud is considered official because it is not from the mouth of God. So yes, extremist Zionist rabbis who advocate Talmudic teachings as "God's will" are liars and a thorn in the spine of Judaism. They are the ones who cause trouble for Jews and non-Jews.

George Burns and John Denver are both dead! I have no idea where anyone ever thinks they have the direct words from G-d.

It is highly circumspect when you say things like thorn in the spine of Judaism, is the thread about the politics of Israel or religion?

Personally I think it works better when Church and State are separate, Israel itself claims to be a secular country and government but clearly it’s not by anyone’s stretch of the imagination who isn’t saying foolish things just to see if there are fools in the audience!

Actually I have. At my high school, I was forced to do a "religious" based subject in my final years. I had to choose 2 additional religions to learn about, and one of them was Judaism. The Talmud is basically commentary of various rabbis (spiritual readers) on the nature of oral law. The English translation of the texts has been purposely mistranslated by a number of anti-Jewish groups, who use this as a means to attack Judaism and the plausibility of its teachings.

This is interesting, a group of revered and esteemed Rabbis spend a couple centuries debating and formalizing what G-d really meant, since they are presumed intelligent enough to understand that the Old Testament like the New Testament is written as vaguely and confusingly as possible to be used as a political versus a religious tool, and once they translate it, it’s lost in translation!

You are having trouble seeing where some people might see you as a disinformation agent? Do you actually read Hebrew? Or just the English that loads your pens and lips to make such poorly substantiated accusatory statements aimed at minimizing the true extent of the perversions and arrogance that flow out of the Talmud and the Jewish Encyclopedias.

There is a huge difference by the way between the ‘American’ person who says ‘oh yeah I am Jewish, I never really go to the synagogue or read the books or observe the festivals’ and the Zionists who might in fact be Christian as often or not as Jewish and in the case of the founding Zionists who inserted the Israeli State in to the region, agnostics and atheists.

Hebrew Law is very real my friend, and even here in America there are Jewish Courts to deal with discrepancies and accusations amongst Jews when it comes to business and personal affairs.

Can you think of any other class of American Citizen that has a separate Court System just for it, beyond the First Nation’s peoples? (Indigenous American Indians)

Are your above comments about Israeli millionaires based off of hard researched numbers? Have you been to Israel and conducted surveys confirming that most Israeli's loathe Palestinians and wish to exterminate them?

As I tried to mention yours is not a scientific study but personal opinion therefore by extension mine is not scientific either.

I did not use the word millionaires but financially successful.

Why would I have any need to go to Israel when all Jewish roads lead not to Rome but Miami Beach where I live? Isn’t it great when the mountain comes to you?

Yes, I have been unfortunate to meet similar individuals myself. However, now you are interchanging "Israeli" with "Jew" which is an ignorant assumption. There will always be bad people in all religions/cultures/ethnicities - this is not exclusive to Jews.

Actually no I am not; this is something you are doing though in exchanging them.

My ancestors are from England, Ireland and Poland; I hold no allegiances to those nations and do not consider them a cultural, spiritual or ethnic homeland.

I will state no matter how controversially if a person is a Zionist, regardless of their ethnicity or religion then they need to get their butts over there, stay there, and deal with being a nation just the same way someone like Pol Pot of Cambodia has to when everyone the world over says “Hey it’s embarrassing how many people you are killing, time to kill you, we don’t care about the history of the Cambodians, we care about the morality of what you are doing”.

I would be careful going down this road my friend. If you want to start asking me to prove with scientific evidence every claim I make, I might return the favour. I make my opinions judged on the people I meet and their responses and ideas about these issues. I am not an enlightened individual who knows everything and everyone.

Then how do you know whether advancing your opinions so authoritatively is a service or a disservice to others?

Were you a big fan and supporter of the Khmer Rouge too?

Many of my childhood and teenagehood friends happened to be Jewish. My family were and still are quite friendly with a few Jewish families. They have no desire to murder Palestinians and wish there was peace for both Israel and Palestine in the area. Through these friends, I have also met several Israeli jewish citizens who are all friendly, helpful individuals. They have their negative qualities, but this is comparable to other cultures and people.

I have had Jewish and Israeli friends and lovers. Most of them though did have a real confusion at the very least on how to view Palestinians whether they were American Jews or Israelis. A fair percentage were simply fluxed as to why they disliked them and considered them a true aggressor and belligerent, some of them though made no bones in spewing racially motivated garbage and crass and self-serving and vile dismissive assumptions.

For the record there are lots of Americans who don’t agree with killing Iraqis or Afghanis but they aren’t loosing any sleep or taking any time off of work to stop it. Does this make them innocent to the carnage while their tax dollars pay for the killing?

Many of these people have also expressed concern at the responses of the Israeli army in recent years (both in Lebanon and Gaza earlier this year).

In almost every one that I meet, they always mention the safety and happiness of their family as their greatest wishes and desires. Emphasis of the family and family friends is strong.

Yes, a few people hold extreme views, but isn't this common in all peoples of the world? And by extreme I don't necessarily mean hateful.

When a recent poll claims 51% of Israelis favor attacking Iran, a country that has not aggressively attacked another nation in centuries, I do have to say the number ‘few’ is a bit…well…BS!

Have I met every single Jew in the world? No I have not. The same as I have not met every single Buddhist or Shinto follower. I base my opinions on the sample of the populous that I have met and exchanged thoughts and ideas with.

Back in the day when I sold cars for a living it was people like you I prayed would walk into the showroom!

Visit CIA.org and go to their online library and peruse the documents released under the freedom of information act starting with 1946.

Not only is Israel a very real threat to the sovereignty of the United States of America which separates Church and State when the Christians and Zionists aren’t busy crying ‘no we don’t and weren’t supposed to despite what the constitution, supreme court and treaties with other nations say’, and you will see there is something truly rotten in Denmark!

Hey isn’t that where the House of Rothchild is from? If I was a Rothchild da-da-de-da-da-dum.

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So you can claim as fact the number of Palestinian homes and buildings which have decreased, but you cannot see that the Palestinian population has increased in the last 60 years? What makes you so sure your sources are reliable and accurate?

Not just there homes and buildings but their land holdings. According to my records they are entitled to 52% of the land and have about 20% of it.

Because of the high number of Palestinians who live in exile and the fact that many of the pre 1946 Palestinians were nomadic herders I don’t know if there is a way to illustrate if the population of Palestinians within Palestine itself has increased or decreased.

Your statement is full of ignorance. Again you take a video showing only negative views and bad behaviour to reflect the youth of a whole country. Ever wondered what Egyption teenagers think about Obama and the USA for that matter? Egypt receives a lot of aid from the USA too. Why not do a documentary there and see if you get a more favourable reaction?

So if I decide to rob a bank all I have to tell the judge, is well other people have robbed banks and other people are planning to rob banks, so…it’s no big deal?

Do not quit your day job to become a defense attorney.

Do you really not understand how logically flawed that statement is? Seriously, are you trying to bemuse me? If I have a vested interest in improving the reputation of Israel and Jews in general, then you HAVE a vested interest in deriding the reputation of Israel and Jews. One only has to look through your past posts to see a pattern and agenda at work.

You were the one who claimed not to have a vested interest. I made no such assertion myself.

I have a clearly defined, straightforward and upfront agenda. It’s called get Israeli politics out of Congress and the Whitehouse, let Israel pay for it’s open weapons, fight it’s own wars, and stand on it’s own in the United Nations.

As an American I have an inalienable right to voice those opinions based on what I feel is in America’s best interest.

You were the one who first interchanged Israelis/Jews, as I pointed out before. Have a look again at this thread's title. The OP has made a direct reference to young Jews, accusing young JEWS as stating racist anti-Obama views. If you are still not aware that many non-Jews holiday and some even immigrate to the state of Israel, they do! Many non-Jewish Americans go to Israel because the culture of partying and night life is similar. Many religious Christians and Muslims go to Israel because it is a region with highly significant religious institutions.

Having lived in Manhattan, West Hollywood California and Miami Beach I think I will be passing on that ‘lively’ Israeli night life. Too funny!

By the way I owned a Travel Agency for ten years, Israel was not that popular of a destination compared to places like Hawaii, Australia, Italy, Paris and London. Mostly religious extremists and Jews and not in big numbers. I would have starved to death selling tickets to Israel.

In fact to tell you the truth if it weren't for Hitler, I don't think the Zionists would have gotten that state off the ground period no matter how many sprinklers they installed.

I agree that Church (synagogue, mosque, temple) and State should be separate. Again you have shown ignorance in your statement. According to Orthodox doctrine, many young Jewish Israelis are breaking commandments often. Eg. Many of the youth do not honour the Sabbath, and do things on the Sabbath that is not permitted under Law (like going out and drinking excessively, using electricity etc..)

Wow this sounds like a real Shakespearean tragedy you got going on here. Question, why would I care?

I think it's adorable by the way they tell you to pretend not to be Jewish!

Many Israeli Jews do not celebrate the most holy day of the year, and eat pork and bacon on it instead. Many don't celebrate or honour passover. Are these not actions of a secular society? Just because they believe they have the right and freedom to a homeland does not mean they are not secular.

There is a most holy day of the year?

I get the Israelis have a fascination with Fascism but they should drop the genocide twist against the Palestinians and stop murdering and stealing.

Israel is a pariah and rogue nation that does not honor its treaties or accords.

In addition, Israel has a large population of homosexuals. Homosexuality is forbidden by Jewish Orthodox doctrine.

As I have mentioned I have had quite a few Israeli girlfriends over the years. Please don’t quit your day job to go in to advertising either!

No argument there. No piece of writing from over 2000 years ago will be in its raw, directly accurate form. Also, hasn't civilisation changed quite a lot in the last thousand odd years? Is this not true also of Christianity and Islam? You don't believe that spiritual leaders in these two religions of have done the same, if even worse, manipulations and distortions?

I believe in Puff the Magic Dragon who lives by the sea in a land of make believe!

It’s real simple, Israel gets no U.S. aid. Israel pays for its own weapons. Israel does not get the latest advanced technology ones either but on par with everyone else when they pay full market retail value in their own hard currency. Israel and its lobby stay out of American politics. Israel stops flying planes in to U.S. buildings. Israel fights it’s own wars, and if it gets in trouble with the United Nations for how they do it and why they do it, they deal with it on their own.

What part of this aren’t you getting friend?

I do not read Hebrew, but I have friends who can. According to them, translation from Hebrew to English is troublesome (English to Hebrew they state is much more simple). The language structure, verb tenses, gender specification and formal word structure is considerably different. As an example, my friend showed me a passage from a prayer book. He told me that the English translations of the text is significantly more formal and authoritative than it is in its original Hebrew form.

Now isn’t that special! Boring!

Yes, there are passages in the Talmud and Judaic encyclopaedias that assert a sense of Choseness. But it does not go to the extreme that you are implying. I have only seen these in the English translation, and cannot comment on their original meanings.

Max Hardcore and Ted Bundy would have trouble morally with some of those passages in the Talmud and Jewish Encyclopedias.

Maybe you just shouldn’t comment at all then?

Glad to see you are aware that there is a difference. But are all Zionists proponents of the extreme doctrine of a select few? As your buddy conceded earlier, Zionist extremists constitute a small minority in those who believe in a homeland for the Jewish people. You do not have to be Jewish to agree that they are entitled to a homeland (e.g. myself)

Zionists are all bent on some obscene ritualistic, spiritualistic, moralistic, hypocritical and pathological power trip.

My buddy conceded earlier? I get it the conspiracy on ATS is just against your “the people of Israel can do no wrong” propaganda?

Could you do me a favor and tell me who 'my' buddy is and when their Birthday is so I can at least get them a card?

I am thinking Siberia, does Siberia work for you?

Ignorant statement. Those "Jewish Courts" you speak of are there to assist Orthodox, religious Jewish disputes only. They exist only to ensure fairness and equality for RELIGIOUS matters involving Jews who live in a secular society. These courts do not serve as a means to be above the law of non-Jews like you are implying. Jews facing criminal charges are not "moved" to Jewish Courts to decide their fate.

Another thing you picked up during your ‘forced’ high school project on ‘another’ religion?

I implied no such thing.

I stated that they have a separate court system to handle disputes amongst themselves.

The relevance is this is where the Talmud in part does come in to play.

Again you are attempting to push a lie as truth. Jewish courts do not have superiority or authority over state and federal courts. I would also assume there are Islamic courts, Christian courts and Catholic courts that exist too. You just don't take note of them because your focus is on illustrating how Jews apparently receive special treatment.

Once again I said no such thing; I said they have a separate court system to handle disputes between themselves. Was this something I was supposed to keep secret? My bad!

Assumption does seem to be your forte!

Why should I travel to Asia when 70% of those who use public transport come from this region? That is the fault of Multiculturalism, not Judaism. You are showing religious intolerance by stating that Jewish culture is everywhere and in everything done in USA. What about the Greek district, Italian restaurant trip, Mumbai street etc.

I believe what I mentioned was that I live in a place that exposes me to enough Israelis that I encounter a wide enough variety of them to gauge certain shared perceptions amongst them.

Your suit of armor is wearing like a sieve friend! Don’t quit your day job to become a blacksmith!