There's nothing less British than the BNP

Now we're being told the BNP might do well in tomorrow's local and European elections. Not that well, but they may send a member to the European parliament - probably their grim-faced leader Nick Griffin.

Anyone with half a brain understands why people may want to protest vote. Quite right too. You'd be slightly deranged not to at least be tempted after seeing the evidence of the last few weeks and the less-than-mediocre level at which mainstream politics is currently being conducted in Britain. But the BNP is not a protest vote. It is a vote for fascism.

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An interesting article here. Today is the day for voting in the European elections in England, and it looks possible that the BNP may take a seat.

I think the author makes a few mistakes in the way he writes, he seems to decry the nationalism of the BNP, while resorting to a little bit himself. He glosses over a bit of history, and as a commenter there said, appears to be wearing rose tinted spectacles.

I really hope the BNP don't take a seat, I'm not a big fan of the European system myself, but that has far more to do with some of the problems in the current system, like the way monies are distributed, and the problems of it not being democratic enough, I think if done correctly, It is a good and necessary move.

For this reason, It's difficult for me to choose who to vote for. Normally I'd go with the Liberal Democrats, but on this issue they are a little too pro-europe for me, but where else do I go? We've been backed into a corner here, where if we want to make a protest vote about the problems with the system, we end up having to get into bed with fascists, or morons (UKIP).

The BNP are racist thugs, simple as that.
Someone who is not white cannot join the party, that says it all.
They have jumped on the EU bandwagon, there are other parties who either want the reform of the EU or a pull out, only racists or those who do not use their brains will vote BNP

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Check out the Socialist Labour Party - www.socialist-labour-party.org.uk...

It's Arthur Scargill's party, you know from back when Labour was a proper Labour Trade Unionist party. They loath Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems.

They want Britain out of Europe, a properly ran NHS, no tax for those earning below £15,000 per year, troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan and are very much against the bank bailouts.

I saw a party political broadcast by them and was impressed with their standings.

Britains finest hour was standing up to fascism in WW2. Now people are stupid enough to vote fascists to represent them in Europe. I'm no fan of the EU, but people really need to understand what the BNP is before voting for them out of spite.

I'll probably get seriously flamed for saying this, but I voted today and my vote went to Yes 2 Europe. The UK is a member of the EU and has been so for a long time. One might argue that the UK shouldn't (and yes there are valid arguments for that too) but as it now stands the UK is in the EU although not "quite" (too many exceptions and if's and but's). The UK should get the most out of its EU membership and that is exactly what Yes 2 Europe aims to, from my point of view.

The other parties are basically anti-EU or sort-of-but-not-quite pro EU only for fear of losing the power upon which they thrive.

So there.

I can't possibly see what BNP or UKIP has to do in the EU.

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Good for you for voting for what you believe in moniker. And if anyone does flame you they have no right to. You're entitled to your opinion and your voice through voting.

I totally understand your point of view. We are flip flapping around with the EU and it should really be an all or nothing agreement.

I just don't want to see the EU turning into 'The United States of Europe', which is where i see it going.

But really, it all comes down to the fact we've never ever had a referendum on EU membership.

Voting for BNP or UKIP in the EU elections is definitely a wasted vote.

I fail to see what people so up in arms about the BNP.

If people were not receptive to their message why would they exist?

The other parties, major and minor, exist because people have been or are receptive to their message.

For me, a vote for Labour, Tory or Lib Dem is a waste as they are all the same, but no one seems to get as worked up over voting for these parties.

The 3 main parties in the UK those they have overseen this current economic downturn, been party to the expenses system and seem to care little for the vast majority of us, the votes.

And yet, no one says that a vote for the SNP, Plaid Cymru or the parties in Northern Ireland is a waste, but if someone wants to vote for a British or English party, it is considered a waste?

People need to wake up and start to think for them selves, and not listen to the mass media. I guess you are on ATS because you want to think differently, but some of the things I have read, make me wonder just how many want to break out and thing differently.

Just think of the lies pedalled by this Government and do I see a huge choir of protest. NO!!

I guess most of you have not made the break from thinking as the mass media and establishment want you to.

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I want out of europe until they get their act together and throw out all the thugs that walk the halls of brussels.People are blindly walking into something that was never meant to be,the EU was about trade and economics...not a political union.So i still think the EU is a good idea...if only it stayed true to its purpose and stopped leaning to the side of totalitarianism which is what europe is,a fascist super state.No two ways about it.And unless there is serious change in the uk political system soon we are going to be absorbed into this behemoth of bureaucracy.As for the BNP,cant stand them,and we all know who the largest percentage of the voters are for them.The people you wouldn't want to be neighbours with.I still think they should be given more airtime etc though and not shunned by the media so regulary.

Originally posted by Nammu
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Good for you for voting for what you believe in moniker. And if anyone does flame you they have no right to. You're entitled to your opinion and your voice through voting.

I totally understand your point of view. We are flip flapping around with the EU and it should really be an all or nothing agreement.

I just don't want to see the EU turning into 'The United States of Europe', which is where i see it going.

But really, it all comes down to the fact we've never ever had a referendum on EU membership.

Doesn't matter whether we've had a referendum or not. But not participating fully we can never have a full say in what the EU is to be all about (we're being left out where all the important discussions and decisions re interest rates and financial policies are being made, for example). Being halfway out, halfway in as we are now just turns us into nagging outsiders who doesn't seem to participate but rather enjoy standing outside and nagging and complaining about what we have chosen not to participate in.

I don't want the EU to turn into a 'united states of Europe' either, but the best way to ensure that doesn't happen is to participate fully so that we can have a real say on the matter.

Standing down from my soapbox now.