Ah but to CONFIRM its therm*te, it should have been tested in an oxygen-free environment. I guess Jones doesnt know that adding air to it still
doesnt prove its therm*te. Once again, a flawed test which is at best inconclusive. Therm*te should be able to fire up in zero oxygen environment.
Then he'd have something. but he didnt. Of course blowing air on the sample with fire will make the flame hotter, but had he used zero-oxygen, he'd
have something. So still flawed. Even if he wanted to copy the other test by Tillotson, it still doesnt confirm therm*te because it was done in the
presence of oxygen. Logically, when you want to prove something that can be ignited in both oxygen and oxygen-free environments, you should test both.
He did not and therefor inconclusive.
Also finding oxygen in the sample doesnt really mean anything. What is being said is if it is therm*te, then it should be able to burn without oxygen
present. Jones didnt do it. So no proof.
[edit on 6/3/2009 by GenRadek]
Yep, It's Thermite! So Much for the "Oxygen" Excuse, page 2
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reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 12:33 PM by mmiichael
Originally posted by turbofan
reply to post by mmiichael
Sorry to tell you but your 'friend' has been pushing the "Oxygen" excuse
which has already been slammed. I think yuo should start reading
information from professional scientists, rather than "pterdine".
If "pterdine" really wants to engage with Jones, I will pay-pal him
$50.00 if he registers on that site with his real info and puts Jones
to rest.
The $50.00 cash incentive is open to anyone that can successfully debate
Jones using their real ID and win their case.
I am not 'pteridine's spokesman. He's just an ATS member with a demonstrably bonafide background in advanced chemistry. And he has shown the many errors in Jones's procedures and unwarranted conclusions.
He'd probably laugh at the $50 incentive. Is that a joke?
Guess even $100 is a lot of money for a professor fired from a Mormon College.
Mike
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 03:28 PM by jprophet420
Originally posted by mmiichael
I'm sure most reading this will not care but Dr Jones fraudulent claims have been exposed on a number of threads right here at ATS and elsewhere.
Mike
Intersesting. I was reading a thread on Richard Gage yesterday and it so happens that 2 companies not affiliated with Jones tested the samples and found the same thing(s). This means his claims that you say are fraudulent are now backed in duplicate by outside sources.
Also ad hominem doesent fly big here, and making claims w/o sources is also considered substandard.
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reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 03:41 PM by turbofan
reply to post by trebor451
Science is science not matter what side you believe.
Disprove the paper, or concede.
Science is science not matter what side you believe.
Disprove the paper, or concede.
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 03:43 PM by turbofan
reply to post by mmiichael
I sent your 'friend' a U2U. No reply yet.
How much would you like to take 15 minutes to create an account and
post a message on a forum to debate Jones?
I've got more than $50.00...but sorry, not a cool million like Randi.
What''s your price? I'll see what I can do.
I sent your 'friend' a U2U. No reply yet.
How much would you like to take 15 minutes to create an account and
post a message on a forum to debate Jones?
I've got more than $50.00...but sorry, not a cool million like Randi.
What''s your price? I'll see what I can do.
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 04:49 PM by GenRadek
reply to post by bsbray11
I think you missed what I said. Any sort of alleged "therm*te" is suppose to be able to ignite in zero oxygen. In order to prove or at least give another check mark towards ID'ing it as a therm*te-like material, he should have tested it in both oxygen and oxygen-free environments. Therm*te, as it has been repeated to infinity before, can ignite in a zero-oxygen environment. This way if the sample ignited and burned in the oxygen-free test, he'd have more conclusive evidence of it being a certain therm*te material. However he did not and just used air blowing over it, which will cause any organics in the sample to burn and appear as a therm*te reaction, when all its doing is combusting in air. Ergo its inconclusive and any intelligent, self-respecting scientist would know this and throw out the test results as they are flawed. He did not and continues to press with it even though it is obviously flawed. Which again makes me question if he is for real, or in it for fame at any cost or just plain incompetent. Also just because he has a doctorate doesnt mean he's incapable of making mistakes or being bad at what he does. Remember, what do you call a medical student who graduates at the end of his class? Doctor.
I think you missed what I said. Any sort of alleged "therm*te" is suppose to be able to ignite in zero oxygen. In order to prove or at least give another check mark towards ID'ing it as a therm*te-like material, he should have tested it in both oxygen and oxygen-free environments. Therm*te, as it has been repeated to infinity before, can ignite in a zero-oxygen environment. This way if the sample ignited and burned in the oxygen-free test, he'd have more conclusive evidence of it being a certain therm*te material. However he did not and just used air blowing over it, which will cause any organics in the sample to burn and appear as a therm*te reaction, when all its doing is combusting in air. Ergo its inconclusive and any intelligent, self-respecting scientist would know this and throw out the test results as they are flawed. He did not and continues to press with it even though it is obviously flawed. Which again makes me question if he is for real, or in it for fame at any cost or just plain incompetent. Also just because he has a doctorate doesnt mean he's incapable of making mistakes or being bad at what he does. Remember, what do you call a medical student who graduates at the end of his class? Doctor.
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 04:50 PM by GenRadek
reply to post by impressme
Explosives? I thought it was some sort of sooperdooper magic paint on therm*te?
Explosives? I thought it was some sort of sooperdooper magic paint on therm*te?
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 04:52 PM by rogerstigers
reply to post by GenRadek
I agree with your point. The original tests are not necessarily wrong, but they are not conclusive. He really should do the tests in an oxygen free environment just to lay this stuff to rest.
I agree with your point. The original tests are not necessarily wrong, but they are not conclusive. He really should do the tests in an oxygen free environment just to lay this stuff to rest.
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 04:54 PM by bsbray11
reply to post by GenRadek
You just repeated the same thing you posted earlier.
Instead of also repeating the same thing I posted earlier, please re-read my post and consider that I am actually posting something that you aren't addressing, namely, "What's in a name?"
You just repeated the same thing you posted earlier.
Instead of also repeating the same thing I posted earlier, please re-read my post and consider that I am actually posting something that you aren't addressing, namely, "What's in a name?"
reply posted on 3-6-2009 @ 04:56 PM by _BoneZ_
Originally posted by mmiichael
Guess even $100 is a lot of money for a professor fired from a Mormon College.
Gotta love when people come in these threads and either post things about something they don't know what they're talking about, or deliberately distorting the facts (disinformation).
Firstly, I don't know what religion has to do with anything. Who cares if the college was mormon, muslim, christian, scientology? I think it only matters to the religiously prejudiced.
Secondly, and your "buddy" ptderline was also corrected on more than one occasion, Dr. Jones was not fired from BYU. He retired, effective January 1, 2007.
en.wikipedia.org...
You should be researched and know what you're talking about before you make posts. I won't go into the purposeful part of you possibly knowing he retired, but you wanted to attack him further by saying he was fired.
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