Originally posted by IgnoreTheFacts
reply to post by Xtraeme
I think you are a bit mislead or greatly underestimate what most would agree is a "considerable amount of time and effort".
By Podesta's own
he was a bit of a UFO nut. The Clinton's seemed
after putting their weight behind
the Rockefeller initiative
Basset is a buffoon. I have heard him in some pretty extensive interviews and he is a negative influence on this subject. If you disagree, then
seriously go out and listen to his interviews out there on some smaller podcasts. He and his organization is filled with children, and they need to be
babysat by the rest of the community lest they keep setting the subject back like all the other "ufo investigators/groups" do.
I'm about equal part 'UFO skeptic' and 'UFO advocate.' I frankly don't buy the conspiracy-position. Which is to say I disagree with many things
Stephen argues in favor-of.
However to claim that Stephen is stupid is baseless and inflammatory. He's clearly well spoken and obviously his own personal experience leads him to
believe there is an extensive cover-up. Therefore he thinks the correct way to solve the problem is to demand "disclosure."
I also think the way he's approaching this will possibly do more harm than good, but neither of us are in a position to police peoples beliefs. What
I've tried to convey to Stephen is this:
The solution is to reduce the rhetoric so it's accepted by the lowest common denominator 'UFO advocate.' So those of us who agree the UFO subject
deserves recognition and study get on board the PRG political movement. That means rather than demanding "disclosure" (which assumes the
'conspiracy cover-up hypothesis') we should be demanding scientific
(which only assumes the 'grand foul-up
The 'grand foul-up vs. conspiracy cover-up
' debate is an extremely
topic because it serves as a basis determining where we should focus our efforts and has a very real affect on the credibility of UFO
The trick that Stephen needs to learn is to escalate as the movement / evidence warrants it rather than at the rate that the man with the megaphone
wants it to.
All that aside, there is one thing I really like about Stephen. He views the UFO movement from a historical perspective. Consider gay rights, women's
rights, civil rights, AC vs DC, the negativity around manned flight, the Enlightenment era science vs. religion debates, all of these issues were
eventually overcome through the continued pressure applied by individuals who believed strongly enough in what they were fighting for that they
didn't give up advocating their position.
Bassett gets this. He also fundamentally understands that the UFO movement has no cohesive organization. Listen to the
March 1, 2009 episode of the Paracast with Bassett
, he is extremely clear in his statement @
This isn't going to get us anywhere. Until you finally understand that the problem here is not about our opinions of who is a laughing stock and
who's not ... Soon as you realize that the problem here is the United States government, has been, still is, you're just going to continue to chase
your tail round and round and round. Focus all of your concerns about legitimacy, focus all your concerns about image on your own government, and
it's willingness to lie to you, manipulate you, ... [and] turn reality on its head.
Changing government policy is what counts. ... It's just keeping the pressure on the government. I will not chase my tail; and I will not play the
governments game in this intellectual ghetto that they've created for us, where we're all tossed in here behind the ridicule walls and deprived of
money and a lot of other things, and so we slowly decay and feast on ourselves like a pack of jackals. I'm not interested in that. You want to feast
Bassett is trying to keep pressure on what he perceives as the "enemy" rather than doing what we're doing here; debating if one of our own has the
character, integrity and intelligence to be considered a legitimate face for the UFO movement.
Stephen's right. We are not enemies. We simply have different beliefs and because of that we fight amongst ourselves over who's more sincere, who's
in it for the money, and all that other garbage. That has to stop. We need to be tactically smart. That requires finding common ground and advocating
that position as a group.
The establishment marginalizes the subject of UFOs. There is clearly something being observed. That's a good place to start.
[edit on 1-6-2009 by Xtraeme]