In a previous thread
I did here at ATS, the issue of the missing serial numbers came
up briefly as a related topic. But this is so important, and so additionally damning to the official lie that this really needs its own thread. This
was brought to my attention by Rob Balsamo at P4T, and is much appreciated.
The reason this is so important is that it is extremely unusual, and in fact counter to NSTB crash investigation procedure, for serial numbers to be
Of all major U.S. airline crashes within the U.S. investigated and published by the National Transportation Safety Board during the past 20 years,
the 9/11 'black boxes' are virtually the only ones without listed serial numbers.
After all, conclusively identifying the plane you are investigating is an obvious necessity. And nowhere in history has this vetting become more
important than in the investigation of 9/11. For if these planes were conclusively identified by serial numbers, it would immediately put to rest
immense amounts of speculation.
And yet mysteriously, this is exactly what happened. The FBI withheld the serial numbers of the Flight Data Recorders (FDR) when they procured
assistance from the NTSB in analyzing the data.
And the mystery deepens even further in that a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request was filed to obtain these serial numbers, so that there would
be no further question as to the identity of the planes.
But the FOIA request was denied, with no apparent legal precedent or rationale for such a decision.
A 1/3/2008 e-mail reply from a Loren Cochran, a FOIA specialist with the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, regarding the FAA FOIA
denial reads as follows:
"It is unusual and unlawful for them to not cite an exemption. “[W]e are not in a position to release the said records at this time,” certainly
isn’t an exemption any where in the Freedom of Information Act, and I can’t think of any case law that supports that answer either."
The author, Aidan Monaghan, notes that:
It is possible that the FBI seized FAA 9/11 aircraft records containing component serial number data for aircraft identification purposes and that
the FAA no longer possesses them.
He then goes on to cite many of the larger NTSB investigations, all showing serial numbers.
ATS member Reheat continually challenged us to provide any document showing that the NTSB requires this as part of their procedures. P4T Administrator
dMole addressed this issue here, citing the NTSB's Major Investigations
Now, reading Major Investigations Manual Appendix, page H-36
The maintenance group report should cover at a minimum:
- Type of maintenance program
- List of documents reviewed
- Historical data on aircraft and engines
- Serial numbers
b. Times since last major inspections
c. Times since last line checks
And as if that wasn't already enough, dMole goes on in that same post to dispel any notion that aircraft part serial numbers would not have likely
been available, citing FAR code itself:
Now, before the spinmeisters attempt to obfuscate that aircraft don't have serialized parts, let's check the FAR code:
"Title 14: Aeronautics and Space
PART 45—IDENTIFICATION AND REGISTRATION MARKING
Subpart B—Identification of Aircraft and Related Products
§ 45.11 General.
(a) Aircraft and aircraft engines. Aircraft covered under §21.182 of this chapter must be identified, and each person who manufacturers an aircraft
engine under a type or production certificate shall identify that engine, by means of a fireproof plate that has the information specified in §45.13
of this part marked on it by etching, stamping, engraving, or other approved method of fireproof marking. The identification plate for aircraft must
be secured in such a manner that it will not likely be defaced or removed during normal service, or lost or destroyed in an accident.
§ 45.14 Identification of critical components.
Each person who produces a part for which a replacement time, inspection interval, or related procedure is specified in the Airworthiness Limitations
section of a manufacturer's maintenance manual or Instructions for Continued Airworthiness shall permanently and legibly mark that component with a
part number (or equivalent) and a serial number (or equivalent).
[Amdt. 45–16, 51 FR 40703, Nov. 7, 1986]
§ 45.16 Marking of life-limited parts.
When requested by a person required to comply with §43.10 of this chapter, the holder of a type certificate or design approval for a life-limited
part must provide marking instructions, or must state that the part cannot be practicably marked without compromising its integrity. Compliance with
this paragraph may be made by providing marking instructions in readily available documents, such as the maintenance manual or the Instructions for
[Doc. No. FAA–200–8017, 67 FR 2110, Jan. 15, 2002]"
So in summary:
1) The FBI withheld the serial numbers from the planes to the NTSB
2) Because of this, we cannot be sure that any subsequent analysis of the FDR data indeed corresponded to the actual planes in question
3) Other research, such as that from Craig Ranke and the Northside Flight Path, indicates that the FDR data may have indeed been tampered with or
4) There is no conclusive evidence to show that the FDRs analyzed by the NTSB were that of the 9/11 alleged planes
5) The FOIA request to obtain these serial numbers, and thus ultimate verification of the plane's identities was summarily dismissed without reason
or legal precedent
6) Given the digital nature of these FDR's there would have been opportunity for the data to be falsified, and my hunch is that this was done by the
FBI. I can provide more information on that if necessary.
Please visit the links provided for more information. I fully support the tremendous work that P4T has been doing to help uncover the official lies of
This information only serves to cast further suspicion on elements of the US government that they are hiding critical information necessary to support
the official story, and thus more reason that the official story cannot be believed! Like we don't have enough of this suspicion already!
[edit on Thu May 28th 2009 by TrueAmerican]