Hersh: Children sodomized at Abu Ghraib, on tape

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posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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Did you even read your own source in your original op?

It states that the rapes were carried out by Iraqi guards and interrogators and were video taped by American guards. If a US Soldier was video taped committing a rape or murder that soldier would be looking at the Death Penalty as shown in the case of another soldier who was convicted of rape.

Personally I feel that the punishments that were given out for the abuses that this group of soldiers were convicted of were too light.

There is no proof available that shows that higher echolons of command were aware of what was happening until they were made aware of the photos. Seymour Hersh has neither followed up his accusation or providedd any proof of his rape claims why is that?

The individuals who were proven to be involved in the abuses have been punished if you have proof that Bush, Rumsfeld or anyone else knew of and approved of what happened at Abu Ghraib before the photos came to light then please provide it.

Right now this whole thread is a bunch of 4 year old accusations and innuendoes offered with no proof and anonymous sources that that was conviently dropped after the 2004 election cycle. All it allows you to do is get points, stars and flags while taking a piss on the Bush admistration and the US Army.




posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:13 PM
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I remember hearing about these allegations in 2004, it was reported by only one MSM news source... After some googling I found the original story here.. (2004)

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Aparently that original report has been edited... This was removed:


Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.


You can find the above quote here:

www.democraticunderground.com...

And other sources quoting that same MSNBC report all over the net, all posted in 2004.

Why did MSNBC edit that old report?

I agree with other posts images or video should never go public but the truth needs to be fully revealed... And if orders were given to do these horrible acts all involved should be hung in public at a minimum.


[edit on 14-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:27 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:51 PM
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If this crap comes out to be true there had better be the biggest revolution this world has ever seen. I for one am a young mother of three but I will gladly strap on the big guns and reek H3ll.

We can not and will not let children or anyone be treated in this way.. If our american soldiers want to act in this way then they die...and any government who defends them...



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:55 PM
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Kaytag, did you read DarkStormCrow's post?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Kaytagg
 


Kaytag, did you read DarkStormCrow's post?



They arent reading the posts anymore, they are just reading the title and assuming that the story is true. as per usual



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by Walkswithfish
I remember hearing about these allegations in 2004, it was reported by only one MSM news source... After some googling I found the original story here.. (2004)

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Aparently that original report has been edited... This was removed:


Rumsfeld did not describe the photos, but U.S. military officials told NBC News that the unreleased images showed U.S. soldiers severely beating an Iraqi prisoner nearly to death, having sex with a female Iraqi female prisoner and “acting inappropriately with a dead body.” The officials said there was also a videotape, apparently shot by U.S. personnel, showing Iraqi guards raping young boys.


You can find the above quote here:

www.democraticunderground.com...

And other sources quoting that same MSNBC report all over the net, all posted in 2004.

Why did MSNBC edit that old report?

I agree with other posts images or video should never go public but the truth needs to be fully revealed... And if orders were given to do these horrible acts all involved should be hung in public at a minimum.


[edit on 14-5-2009 by Walkswithfish]


I was 99% sure I had read it somewhere 2004 that a female prisoner was raped but I couldn't find it now!

And of course! they have made a lot of editing on the net since 2004 - a lot of this was sensitive information that needed to be erased, so of course they demand of the news outlets to take it down.

that is understandable in war times (even in fake war times) as this false so called 'war on terror' has been.

Anyway this whole story is just sad! - and I can't believe there are people defending this mess.

The war on terror was an hoax!

The cabal used the military for their own corporated agenda PNAC to be able to build a pipeline from the caspian bay through Afghanistan down to the sea-ports in Pakistan.

That was the goal all along! - Iraq was just a side show and an oppertunity when 9/11 happened! - let's lie to our stupid people and have them think that Saddam was behind 9/11 - easy peasy they thought! go get the oil wells in Iraq as well.

Don't you never wonder why there were no real plans for post-Iraq - ask Wolfowitz?

Then God punished them in a funny way when the numbers from the caspian bay reserves turned out to be much less then they were aiming for!

They have sadly wasted this last ten years for all the world!



[edit on 15-5-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Kaytagg
 


Kaytag, did you read DarkStormCrow's post?



They arent reading the posts anymore, they are just reading the title and assuming that the story is true. as per usual


I noticed, I had a hard time getting people to read my post at the other topic about this subject.



[edit on 103131p://bThursday2009 by Stormdancer777]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:16 PM
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Yes there was photos of an alledged rape of and Iraqi Female at Abu Ghraib in 2004

Fake rape photos

Bogus GI rape photos used

Proven to be lies and photos from porno sites back in 2004.

Seymour Hersh is a proven liar and actually has admitted as much in the past just look him up on Wiki and follow the links given.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:25 PM
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reply to post by Stormdancer777
 


Yes of course I read it. Iraqi Guards apparently perpetrated the act. However, a wise-man (Edmund Burke) once said: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Ok, so I guess filming the act IS technically doing something, but I don't think that's what Edmund was talking about :-p

You know what I would do if I saw a child being sodomized? I would do everything in my power to stop it. Not simply film it for the ol' video collection.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by RRconservative

Who is more gullible? ATS members automatically believing US Troops would do this OR....Seymour Hersch who was once called "The most gullible investigative journalist I have ever encountered" by a former JFK official, and a man who has made his career bashing the United States, even offering to defend Sadamm Hussein himself.

en.wikipedia.org...

Anyway I'm giving our soldiers the benefit of the doubt, before I consider believing this self-serving America hating "investigative journalist".


I served and I know others who have served, I would be simply amazed if this story turned out to be true. It smacks of good old anti-American propaganda.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Jessicaviv
reply to post by Chevalerous
 


If this crap comes out to be true there had better be the biggest revolution this world has ever seen. I for one am a young mother of three but I will gladly strap on the big guns and reek H3ll.

We can not and will not let children or anyone be treated in this way.. If our american soldiers want to act in this way then they die...and any government who defends them...


Agreed. Count me in and there better be a tremendous outrage. And if someone in the senate or house has seen this tape and not pushed for prosecution that person should be procesecuted at well. This disgusts me.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:46 PM
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Yes..we know this already.
Where is the news? Why are these old photos making such a huge fuss right NOW? Their time has passed, let some new torture photos come in.

Speaking of...Where are the photos and vids of torture from Gitmo?
Oh ya, they've been destroyed.

IMO...This new rampage of ranting about torture from Abu Grabmyass prison years ago is another excuse to point fingers at someone to gain some benefit. What kind of benefit? I don't know.

I just know that I don't CARE anymore. Our military makes mistakes. WOOPIE. What military doesn't? And are you really surprised Obama is trying to hide these pictures and videos? He's been flip flopping from day one...



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by Jessicaviv
reply to post by Chevalerous
 


If this crap comes out to be true there had better be the biggest revolution this world has ever seen. I for one am a young mother of three but I will gladly strap on the big guns and reek H3ll.

We can not and will not let children or anyone be treated in this way.. If our american soldiers want to act in this way then they die...and any government who defends them...


It happens...

Much worse was happening under Saddam's Rule...and much worse has taken place in North Korea...and still is actually.

A revolution? Because a child was raped? Might as well start a revolution whenever a Pedo is arrested then. No offense but your idea sounds a bit silly.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by GorehoundLarry]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:56 PM
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This may be a case of the alledged rape being caught on internal security cameras and not soldiers physically presnt and filming the incident with a video camera.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
Yes there was photos of an alledged rape of and Iraqi Female at Abu Ghraib in 2004

Fake rape photos

Bogus GI rape photos used

Proven to be lies and photos from porno sites back in 2004.

Seymour Hersh is a proven liar and actually has admitted as much in the past just look him up on Wiki and follow the links given.



You are too funny! My OP is not about Seymour Hersh or if American or the Iraqi soldiers are guilty or not!

I wrote like this in the op:

Could this be part of the reason why Obama now want to supress the un-shown tapes and material that ACLU now want to bring out in the light?

I'm talking about the content of the secret material/photos that people in many threads are confused with, and I then make the question:

Could this be the reason why they want to hide the content?

You can twist and turn my words and intentions until you turn blue, and if you don't like the eminent and Pulitzer Prize winner Mr. Seymore Hersh I posted a link to CBS if you prefer this, it doesn't matter! it is the same stories they cover:

The Abu Ghrabi scandal 2004 and the reason for hiding it 2009


Seymour (Sy) Myron Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is a United States Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist and author based in Washington, D.C. He is a regular contributor to The New Yorker magazine on military and security matters.

His work first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. His 2004 reports on the US military's mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison gained much attention.

Hersh received the 2004 George Polk Award for Magazine Reporting given annually by Long Island University to honor contributions to journalistic integrity and investigative reporting. This was his fifth George Polk Award, the first one being a Special Award given to him in 1969.

In 2006 he reported on the US military's plans for Iran, which allegedly called for the use of nuclear weapons against that country. In 2008 he reported on US covert action plans against Iran.


en.wikipedia.org...

But I know it's a very proven trick among many, trying to smear the person of sources and his character, so that people that read the post will have doubt of that person.

Why are we fighting? - I'm just interested to know what happened there, and the real reason for hiding it now?

I think the readers of the posts are intelligent enough to put 2 and 2 together and know if they trust Mr.Hersh or not!

Thank you!

peace!



[edit on 15-5-2009 by Chevalerous]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:04 PM
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I have never supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. It was wrong. The torture camps and rendition were wrong too, but what do you people want ?

You've made your point.... You have a president committed to getting out of this mess and the world commends USA for making the right decision in electing Obama.

Now get off this man's back and let him do the job he was elected for.

I support Obama's decision that raking this muck serves no constructive purpose now. In case you lot haven't figured it out there is still the problem of a Taleban revolution in a nuclear armed country.

Stop stoking the fires of hatred unless you're willing to don a flack jacket yourselves and put your own lives on the line.

[edit on 14-5-2009 by sy.gunson]



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Layla
I don't know about you, but I certainly don't want to see those pictures. I think keeping the video or pictures locked up IS the right thing to do. Should the INFO be out? ABSOLUTELY, but there is no reason to release footage like that to the public. IMO, it only exploits those children further.



when I started to read you post, one sentence in, I thought you were going to say that things like this shouldn't get out.... end of story.

But you are right.... all this time I have been wanting these photos/videos released...... but what about the children (if this is true.) They have already been to hell and back.... this is only pouring salt on the wound.

If the only way that a conviction or justice will see the light of day, then it MUST come out..... I very easily see the photos/videos being swept under the rug.... along with all the charges that would follow if exposed to the world.



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson
In case you lot haven't figured it out there is still the problem of a Taleban revolution in a nuclear armed country.
[edit on 14-5-2009 by sy.gunson]


The Taliban were created by the USA. Therein is the issue in my opinion. We need to take a step back and ask some really tough questions of our leaders. How did we get into this situation?



posted on May, 14 2009 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by sy.gunson
I have never supported Bush's invasion of Iraq. It was wrong. The torture camps and rendition were wrong too, but what do you people want ?

You've made your point.... You have a president committed to getting out of this mess and the world commends USA for making the right decision in electing Obama.

Now get off this man's back and let him do the job he was elected for.



[edit on 14-5-2009 by sy.gunson]


lol i think he was elected because he was MTV's favorite celebrity.

just my humble opinion.

but how does he plan to get out of this mess when he wants to send more troops into a country that we originally went into to get Bin Laden and Failed at it...

We're going to be fighting in the Middle East for a very long time...





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