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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 08:08 AM by Common Good
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Unregistered...
I was agreeing with you ...all until you screwed it all up with that last sentence.
::shakes head:::
You need to work on your ATS skillz. haha


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 08:20 AM by Common Good
reply to post by DataWraith



its too bad the rest of the world doesnt feel this way.
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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 08:57 AM by Common Good
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I get what you are saying, but there has got to be an end somewhere to the madness. I dont care what people do to themselves, it is their body and their lives as you have stated. Its not my place to interfere with that, but when it comes to abortion, its not just them on the issue, its the lives that they are destroying because they can not handle their own responsibility for creating life. In my opinion, a woman should be able to do whatever she pleases with her body, just not the lives of others(which in my opinion include unborn children).


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 09:12 AM by noonebutme
reply to post by Common Good



I know what you mean and that's a good point and it's where I fall down in my logic, I'll openly admit that.

I'm all for the individual's right to freedom and personal choice in all aspects of their life, goivt and religion be damned.

So then how do I support one's right to abortion yet still maintain my stance on individual freedom when there's the unborn child involved? I don't know.

And honestly, I don't have any valid, logical arguments against it. While I disagree with you, I can't back up anything I feel with any decent answer because I'm just very ambivolent towards the whole thing.

I really only see it from the woman's point of view. Perhaps that's wrong, and perhaps that's my way of nulling out the logical incongruity in my entire argument, but it's just how I choose to see it.

But again, I do recognise what you mean. And if I can come up with an answer better than, "I simply don't care", I'll definitely post it.



reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 09:35 AM by Common Good
reply to post by noonebutme



Damn, I rarely see that on ATS. Honesty.
You sir are a good man. Kudos.




reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 09:37 AM by Common Good
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You really didnt just say that did you ?
NO S*** the child cant vote, its in the damn womb.
And just because it hasnt popped out does not mean that its not alive.
And to say that its not its own seperate entity because its "attatched to the mother" is to say that it doesnt have its own soul, that it doesnt get its own soul or freedom until the cord is cut? Is that your logic?
Wow.


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 10:35 AM by noonebutme
reply to post by ScreamtheDance



We-ell.. ok, but I don't think many people would say that the ability to drink and buy a gun are the main virtues of being considered an individual.

I think there's a great deal more to it than that, and as I posted above, I'm really unsure how to classify it as it's just so open to subjective interpretation, being it religious, spiritual, biological or semantic.


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 10:54 AM by Supercertari
reply to post by ScreamtheDance



The empirical evidence shows that it is a "human life" and that entirely biologically and genetically without reference to souls etc. It seems then that people are willing to terminate human life on the spurious grounds of "personhood" etc. A two year old child cannot vote, buy a gun or get legally drunk and depends upon others as much as a child in the womb, does this mean it can be terminated? Perhaps an appeal to the trauma mother's who commit infanticide endure might be made some time in the future to justify it?

The coathanger was often resorted to to avoid the moral shame of an "illegitimate" pregnancy - a failure on the part of the Christian consensus which the last forty years has appropriately corrected as we have witnessed the slaughter of innocents. Unfortunately, in this same period "moral shame" as a motivation has been replaced with "economic shame."

To suggest there is no "pro-abortion" just "pro-choice" is equivalent to saying 70 years ago "I'm not anti-jewish, just pro-lebensraum." If nobody "is in favour of killing babies" then lets stop it.
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