Sweden rules 'gender-based' abortion legal, page 2
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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 05:29 AM by spearhead
reply to post by Common Good



ok, if you want to get technical.
the fact remains that the court ruled "not illegal", this example will be used as means for future court rulings.


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 05:31 AM by Common Good
reply to post by spearhead



Actually I wasnt trying to get technical, I was just correcting you =)
Two.
Three.



reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 05:48 AM by projectvxn
reply to post by blueorder



Abortion serves a purpose if the woman's life is in danger, or the child is too young to have a child, or conception took place during a rape. I have my limits about this issue. I don't like abortion, it isn't about liking it, it is about respecting and acknowledging that it has a proper place. This is nothing less than Eugenics, which is a way of essentially killing toward perfection. It is the progressive ideology that empowered Hitler's regime to start exterminating hoards of people.

There is a big difference. I view abortion a a necessary medical procedure to be taken very seriously. It is not a light decision for anyone involved, and it is a very traumatizing experience. Why ANYONE would want to do this to avoid children of a certain gender is beyond me. That is not an emergency, that is immorality.


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 05:58 AM by blueorder
Originally posted by projectvxn
Abortion serves a purpose if the woman's life is in danger,


fair enough


or the child is too young to have a child,


probably, fair enough


or conception took place during a rape.


again probably fair enough (though I admit I still can't square the approval of abortion at times in my own head, regardless of circumstances)


I have my limits about this issue. I don't like abortion, it isn't about liking it, it is about respecting and acknowledging that it has a proper place.


You realise though that the above cases you listed are not the norm- the explosion in the use of abortion is usually down to a person's OWN reasons other than the above, in other words selfish reasons


This is nothing less than Eugenics, which is a way of essentially killing toward perfection. It is the progressive ideology that empowered Hitler's regime to start exterminating hoards of people.


This aspect of abortion could be considered in that vein, though I view abortion as barbaric "progressive" ideology in most cases


There is a big difference. I view abortion a a necessary medical procedure to be taken very seriously. It is not a light decision for anyone involved, and it is a very traumatizing experience. Why ANYONE would want to do this to avoid children of a certain gender is beyond me. That is not an emergency, that is immorality.


Most abortions are done out of selfishness, to me, that is neither better or worse than not wanting a girl or boy


reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 06:09 AM by Common Good
reply to post by ScreamtheDance



"lol. better than in ancient history when they would just kill them "

That is Abortion.



reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 06:47 AM by Common Good
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Sonya, Im not. its the ideology behind it.
I think that certain 'traditions' and 'customs' is what is holding much of the world back from gaining any kind of credibility or respect from other nations.

Im not one to tell people what they can and can not do, trust me Im not, its their nation, and its their choice as a nation. I just dont agree with it is all. I think Im entitled to believe that they are wrong on this issue, and thats just the way I feel.

edit-

I just wanted to know, who are the foreign invaders you speak of?


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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 07:02 AM by Common Good
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no, not the ideology behind the laws...the ideology behind being able to pick and choose if your baby is good enough or not to keep living. people should not have the right to get pregnant as much as they want, abort as much as they want until they get a baby of their liking. Thats the ideology I speak of.



reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 07:13 AM by Common Good
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Im sorry, but Im part of that ""western world" that you speak of, and Idont believe in any of those things.
=)

Edit- If they dont want to have kids...THEN THEY SHOULD STOP BEING WHORES =)
just two more cents.



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reply posted on 13-5-2009 @ 07:40 AM by Supercertari
To be upfront I am entirely anti-abortion in all circumstances (with the exception provided by the principle of "double effect" where the abortion is consequential rather than directly intended/carried out.)

Whilst the case is particular to Sweden it is an international problem in which the US can, unfortunately, not claim any moral superiority. The practice does take place in the US, most usually among immigrant populations, which has provoked the
"Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act" currently being reintroduced in Congress for a second time after time ran out when it was first introduced late last year.

It is interesting to note, if not horrific, that a Planned Parenthood intern, Clint Waltman, had the following to say after it was first introduced:

the bill aims to "prohibit discrimination against the unborn on the basis of sex or race, and for other purposes." The implications of such a measure are that federal law would recognize abortion as immoral, as well as recognize developing cells (the "unborn") as live children with gender and race.
A purely symbolic gesture, Fortenberry's bill is yet another attempt to change the rhetoric of the issue of abortion until the opposition can achieve an outright ban.
...
The Prenatal Nondiscrimination Act is yet another attempt in a long line of Bush-era steps to prohibit a woman's right to choose, and Americans need to be vigilant of the continuing changes in political landscape which will be catastrophic for families.
...
It's anti-abortion affirmative action and now we have cell mass nondiscrimination.


Source: CBS News

The implications highlighted by Mr Waltman are significant, except perhaps for different reasons. If, as we are lead to believe, it is not a "girl/boy" but just a bundle of cells then objection to it might be as futile as objecting to any abortion. However, if (as has already been said a few times here), there is some revulsion at the barbarism of such gender selective abortions how can we be encouraged to accept any abortion? Is male/female more important than "wanted"?

It's the old line of when a friend/relative tells you they are pregnant you don't worry about what they're going to give birth to - you know its going to be a child (not an elephant, etc.) so the scientific definition of what is being aborted is known, it is a "human life".
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