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White House Memo Challenges EPA Finding on Warming

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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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White House Memo Challenges EPA Finding on Warming


www.breitbart.com

(AP)An EPA proposal regulating the gases blamed for global warming will be costly for factories, small businesses and others, according to a White House document.

(“EPA to Declare 6 Gases Harmful”
www.abovetopsecret.com...)

The document says that with the EPA regulations, factories, businesses and institutions would be subject to costly regulation.

"The decision to regulate CO2 ... is likely to have serious consequences for the U.S. economy."
(visit the link for the full news article)



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posted on May, 12 2009 @ 01:54 PM
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Another AGW "smoking gun"?

Even the Obama White House has pointed out the EPA's misjudgment on GHGs.

The Obama White House’s own document bolsters arguments that controlling greenhouse gases would harm the economy.

The document criticzes the EPA over how it arrived at its conclusion that greenhouse gases endanger human health and welfare, since the gases by themselves do not pose any harm.

The White House memo even says the EPA could have been "more balanced" in its analysis by also highlighting regions of the country that would benefit from global warming, such as Alaska, which would have warmer winters.


"It really appears to me that the decision was based more on political calculation than on scientific ones," said Sen. John Barrasso, R-Wyo., who called the document "a smoking gun" during a hearing Tuesday on the Obama administration's proposed budget for EPA.

"The counsel in this administration repeatedly questions the lack of scientific support that you have for this proposed finding," he said.

www.breitbart.com...


The administration prefers new laws taxing CO2 emissions and greenhouse gases.

Lisa Jackson, EPA administrator defends the EPA actions.

"I have said over and over, as has the president, that we do understand that there are costs to the economy of addressing global warming emissions, and that the best way to address them is through a gradual move to a market-based program like cap and trade," Jackson said.



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[edit on 12-5-2009 by jdub297]



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:45 PM
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I doubt you will get much acknowledgment from the Democrats and Obama supporters on ATS regarding this document. If it's genuine, it just underscores what a lot of us already knew - that even though Obama claims to side with Al Gore on global warming, he never had any intention of doing anything serious to combat the "perceived problem". That means either:

1. He sides with economics and business over the environment, which doesn't sound very Democrat-like. That sounds more like a move a Republican would make.

OR

2. He doesn't really believe in global earming



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:46 PM
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I read this article this morning and was thoroughly confused. The title leads you to believe the memo came from the White House, giving the reader the impression that Obama's administration is against the EPA's proposals, but from paragraph 2 of the article:


The nine-page memo, released Tuesday by Republican senators, is a compilation of opinions made by numerous federal agencies prior to the EPA determining in April that greenhouse gases pose dangers to public health and welfare.


Released by Republican Senators? Opinions by Federal Agencies? Are Republican Senators working from the White House now? Maybe I missed the memo.

In fact the only time the White House is referred to is in the first line of the story except from one small excerpt near the end which states the White House IS for Carbon Taxes and Carbon Regulations:


The administration has said it prefers a new law that would limit greenhouse gases and put a price on climate-altering pollution.


The title of the article makes it seem that Obama and his administration are against Carbon taxes and regulations that would hurt businesses and the economy, but in fact they are in favor of this new source of revenue.

Poor journalism at it's worst. Misleading and just plain incorrect.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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It doesn't say that Republican Senators are working from the White House, only that they released the memo. And of course Republicans are going to release memos that they feel are damning toward a Democratic administration. Would you expect any less?

The memos are composed of opinions by "Federal Agencies". It doesn't say which ones.



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Exactly my point, how can Republican Senators release a "White House Memo?"

Why does the article make it seem that the White House released the memo that says we shouldn't tax and regulate carbon emissions when it clearly stated later in the article that the White House is for carbon emission regulations and taxes?

Why is the article titled "White House Memo Challenges EPA Finding on Warming" when it is Republican Senators doing the challenging.

Is it because most people will not read to the end of the article where it says :
"The administration has said it prefers a new law that would limit greenhouse gases and put a price on climate-altering pollution." and only base their misguided opinion on the misleading title?

The title of this article should be "Republican Senators release memo that Challenges EPA Findings on Warming but White House is going to push Carbon Taxes and Regulations Anyway."



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by sos37

I doubt you will get much acknowledgment from the Democrats and Obama supporters on ATS regarding this document. If it's genuine, it just underscores what a lot of us already knew


I don't post important revelations of deception for anyone's approval. They are what they are.

As for provenance, I haven't seen the memo itself yet, although I have a possible avenue.

The story was originated by the AP at its Washington bureau.
hosted.ap.org...

It has since been fact-checked, confirmed and published by MSNBC, and real news outlets.
“Obama Team Sparred Over Climate Strategy”
www.breitbart.com...

"White House challenges EPA over climate finding"
news.yahoo.com...

Given Obama's duplicity, and the basic facts of the proposed EPA regulations, the story rings true. The responses and quotes of the EPA admin and Congressional witnesses were not dreamed up by the AP reporter, never a group eager to criticize BHO.

jw



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by sos37

... it just underscores what a lot of us already knew - that even though Obama claims to side with Al Gore on global warming, he never had any intention of doing anything serious to combat the "perceived problem". That means either:
1. He sides with economics and business over the environment, which doesn't sound very Democrat-like. That sounds more like a move a Republican would make.
OR
2. He doesn't really believe in global earming


Obama knows how to play to an audience. He says what he thinks the general public want him to say. He believes in global warming alright, but as a means to his socialist ends.

jw



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:15 PM
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Originally posted by DrZERO

I read this article this morning and was thoroughly confused. The title leads you to believe the memo came from the White House, giving the reader the impression that Obama's administration is against the EPA's proposals ... .
Released by Republican Senators? Opinions by Federal Agencies?

In fact the only time the White House is referred to is in the first line of the story except from one small excerpt near the end which states the White House IS for Carbon Taxes and Carbon Regulations.


First, the original AP article is very long, detailed, and clear that the "memo" is a compilation of reports from "federal agencies" (That means they work for Obama; "federal agencies" are part of the Executive Branch of our government.) critical of the EPA's determination and announced rule-making agenda.
hosted.ap.org...


Do you think Obama or the EPA want to release an internal memo critical of BHO's public positions? (I don't recall anyone questioning the validity of leaked memos from Bush insiders)

Finally, a "kill the messenger" mentality ignores the truth of the message" Obama's climate policies will harm industry, business, consumers, and the economy.

Do you deny the truth of the matter asserted?

Deny ignorance!

jw



posted on May, 12 2009 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by DrZERO

how can Republican Senators release a "White House Memo?"


Someone in the WH or the agencies leaked it. Not everyone in the country believes that Obama and his EPA are doing the right thing.

Why would a congressman refer to it as "a smoking gun" if it didn't come from the perp and prove his 'guilt?'


Why does the article make it seem that the White House released the memo ... ?


Nothing in the article claims the WH released the memo. How it "seems" is your personal impression.


Why is the article titled "White House Memo Challenges EPA Finding on Warming" when it is Republican Senators doing the challenging.


If you were to read the entire article, you would see that the WH Memo was a summary of other agencies assessment of the EPA "Harmful Gases" finding and proposed rulemaking.


Is it because most people will not read to the end of the article where it says :
"The administration has said it prefers a new law that would limit greenhouse gases and put a price on climate-altering pollution." and only base their misguided opinion on the misleading title?


No, it is because there is a difference between a "law" and an administrative agency's "regulation".

Obama and Chu and Browner have said they want Congress to enact a cap-and-trade LAW, but will circumvent them with REGULATION from agencies like EPA, Interior (under the Endangered Species Act), and Highways and Transportation (mileage taxes on drivers) to achieve the same results.

Did you notice that the EPA adminisatrator did not question the existence of the White House memo? She said Obama "prefers a law." Obviously, someone else in the Obama administration believes the cap-and-trade regs are worngheaded and harmful.

When do you pledge to start paying extra for electricity, gasoline and the miles you drive every day? Start now, and make it easier on the rest of us.

Deny ignorance

jw

[edit on 12-5-2009 by jdub297]



posted on May, 13 2009 @ 10:16 AM
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Originally posted by DrZERO

The title leads you to believe the memo came from the White House, giving the reader the impression that Obama's administration is against the EPA's proposals ... .
Released by Republican Senators? Opinions by Federal Agencies? Are Republican Senators working from the White House now? Maybe I missed the memo.
In fact the only time the White House is referred to is in the first line of the story except from one small excerpt near the end ... .


Subsequent reports have confirmed that the memo is an Office of Management and Budget compilation of federal agency critiques of the EPA's April 17 "finding."

Here's a few:
"EPA's greenhouse gas ruling criticized within the government"
www.latimes.com...

"Document Is Critical of E.P.A. on Clean Air"
www.nytimes.com...

"OMB Criticizes EPA Finding on Greenhouse Gases"
www.npr.org...

deny ignorance

jw



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