It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Our President of faith abandons his faith

page: 3
0
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:13 AM
link   
reply to post by XXXN3O
 


Great Clip!! Thank you for that. It is not what I was referring to, but it may have been what the earlier poster meant, or just part of overall "Obama is not Christian" rhetoric.

I think that clip shows an intelligent view on religion and law-making. This does illustrate my point that many, many Christians will crucify a politician for not speaking out against abortion or other religious matters without understanding the implication of taking the bible (or any other manuscript) literally.

I do not think Obama can deliver everything he promised, but I trust he is at least giving an educated look at the decisions he faces, and will make moral and just choices. I won't agree with all of them, and he better not try to limit my gun or ammo rights, but I voted for him anyway.




posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:15 AM
link   

Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by Rockstrongo37
 


Its quite disturbing actually.

When it comes to Obama can anyone answer and prove any of the following questions with complete accuracy but preferably all of the questions as this guy is of course the president. He should be known pretty well by the people supporting him as every other president had a background of some sort.

1) Where was Obama born?
2) Name one significant achievement that is not attribute related, set aside being elected to congress or the presidency when answering this.
3) What religion is Obama?
4) He is known for being a lawyer constitutional law professor, an author and obviously the president now according to Wikipedia but name one time that Obama has sworn on a bible without messing it up to this day?
5) Explain exactly what his vision of "change" is?
6) Point out one time that he has actually did something he said he would besides attain a position?

Anyways I have more but I doubt any Obamamessiah worshippers will answer these, I must be a republican, a racist, a christian etc because I am actually asking but name calling aside I hope someone can answer this.

I await a reply but I only have a limited amount of life left.



[edit on 7-5-2009 by XXXN3O]


I have a question to add to your list: What the heck is this guy's real name? Is it Barrack Hussein Obama, or Barry Soetero, or WHO?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:20 AM
link   
reply to post by Night Watchman
 


is it not ture that david,solomon and countless other kings stood before the nation of israsel in prayer!

is it not ture that Jesus lead the 12. and many others in prayer!

Mat: 18 V 19 , 20
Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for. it will be done for you on earth by my father who is in heaven.
For where two or three come togather in my name, there am I with them.
NIV

for those who says prayer is a private thing yes you are right, for those who prayer is also a public thing your right.

whats important is that he tells the truth, i believe that he is a muslim and that he is telling us some thing other than the truth!

if hes not why wont he let he his brith certifate, school records and any thing else that might prove that he is a amercain, in stead of paying all those lawyers to keep his records sealed!



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:21 AM
link   
I'm proud to say I did not vote for Obama in fact for the first time ever I stayed home on election day, I just didn't have the stomach for it.

Obama/Soetero blazed a campaign trail on the weakness of poor working Joes who were worried about feeding their families, and he promised them all he was going to make a CHANGE and lower our tax among other "things". Ha! He slammed us with so much federal deficit that it is going to take hundreds of years to pay it back. And he failed to mention his main goal was to replace democracy with socialism. Other than that Barrack?Barry he's doing a great job.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:29 AM
link   

Originally posted by Bombeni

Originally posted by XXXN3O
reply to post by Rockstrongo37
 


Its quite disturbing actually.

When it comes to Obama can anyone answer and prove any of the following questions with complete accuracy but preferably all of the questions as this guy is of course the president. He should be known pretty well by the people supporting him as every other president had a background of some sort.

1) Where was Obama born?
2) Name one significant achievement that is not attribute related, set aside being elected to congress or the presidency when answering this.
3) What religion is Obama?
4) He is known for being a lawyer constitutional law professor, an author and obviously the president now according to Wikipedia but name one time that Obama has sworn on a bible without messing it up to this day?
5) Explain exactly what his vision of "change" is?
6) Point out one time that he has actually did something he said he would besides attain a position?

Anyways I have more but I doubt any Obamamessiah worshippers will answer these, I must be a republican, a racist, a christian etc because I am actually asking but name calling aside I hope someone can answer this.

I await a reply but I only have a limited amount of life left.



[edit on 7-5-2009 by XXXN3O]


I have a question to add to your list: What the heck is this guy's real name? Is it Barrack Hussein Obama, or Barry Soetero, or WHO?


I had never heard of Barry to be honest.

That would cause a massive upset in the states I reckon, wee Barry the indonesian boy who fooled the world, set up his own private army and conquered it. I dont know enough about Barry or Barack or Hussein or Osama I mean Obama to comment just yet.



[edit on 7-5-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:30 AM
link   
reply to post by XXXN3O
 


So here we go with the name calling. I love it. It's the classic cop out.

but as for your questions, i'll answer them, just keep in mind...if you don't support Obama, or if you don't have an open mind, it does not matter what anyone answers, you simply will not believe it.

Also - im not an "obamatron" - i just don't buy into the propaganda hate machine like you obviously do



1) Where was Obama born?
Hawaii



2) Name one significant achievement that is not attribute related, set aside being elected to congress or the presidency when answering this.

Well, since we all are going to have a difference in opinion on significant, i'll give you my opinion. He came from a nothing background and went to Harvard Law. He was a well respected community organizer, and a very active person in his area. Much more than we can say for lots of people we all know in our own inner-circles


3) What religion is Obama?
Christian

Anyone who claims otherwise is a bigot, a fool, and a follower. You can't be muslim and renounce your faith by pretending to be something else.



4) He is known for being a lawyer constitutional law professor, an author and obviously the president now according to Wikipedia but name one time that Obama has sworn on a bible without messing it up to this day?

What kind of ignorant question is this? He did not screw up his inauguration swearing in. The Supreme Court Justice did (despite what Fox news will tell you)


5) Explain exactly what his vision of "change" is?
A change in the direction of government, not necessarily government its self. This means spend trillions on Americans, NOT Iraqi's.


6) Point out one time that he has actually did something he said he would besides attain a position?


*sigh* Has anyone ever told you about Google ??



  • Create a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners
  • Expand loan programs for small businesses
  • Extend and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch
  • Expand eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP)
  • Expand funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners
  • Direct military leaders to end war in Iraq
  • Send two additional brigades to Afghanistan
  • Give a speech at a major Islamic forum in the first 100 days of his administration
  • Grant Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba
  • Restore funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program
  • Release presidential records
  • Require new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
  • Remove more brush, small trees and vegetation that fuel wildfires
  • Push for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors
  • Create a White House Office on Urban Policy
  • Support increased funding for the NEA
  • Fund a major expansion of AmeriCorps
  • Work to overturn Ledbetter vs. Goodyear
  • Ban lobbyist gifts to executive employees


I could go on some more, but this is what a few google searches produced.


Now, i have a question for you... no no, a plea.


PLEASE stop letting other people create your talking points for you. Grow an opinion. The best way to do that is to educate yourself, and stop listening to what you hear on TV, more pointedly Fox News.

Expand your intellectual horizons and research things yourself, instead of coming into an online forum with a condescending tone asking redundant questions that have easily attainable answers.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:34 AM
link   
reply to post by Fremd
 


Before anyone makes up their mind about where Barrack/Barry was born or what his name is or what his faith is etc etc watch this: (just one among thousands of videos about the elusive identity of Barrack/Barry)

www.youtube.com...



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:39 AM
link   
reply to post by Fremd
 


I do not buy into any propoganda hate machine, my reasons for not being a supporter of Obama are different from the questions that I asked. I also do not watch Fox.

I am glad you answered what I posted and actually think it was a good reply. Some are still questionable to me but like you say if someone believes something they wont listen which works both ways.
I personally think that it is very unlikely for someone to mix up christian with muslim when speaking specifically about their own faith. I also do not appreciate someone using the words written in the bible to suit their own agenda other than the the reason the book was written.

If that came across as condescending then you have taken me the complete wrong way. It was just some questions albeit sarcastic at times but there is a difference between being sarcastic and being condescending. Ever heard of a dictionary?

I havent heard of google for that matter. I think I wore a pair of them the last time I went swimming though?

I still stand by what I said because nobody can prove entirely.



[edit on 7-5-2009 by XXXN3O]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 10:51 AM
link   
Good on Obama! I trust a man more if he is not Christian. I don't like people who believe in fairy tales.

Besides, why do all of you haters care anyways? Just another reason to insult our President/Messiah/Antichrist/Fuhrer? Alot of you need to get a grip on reality...



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 11:58 AM
link   
reply to post by Rockstrongo37
 


You act like Obama is the only person to misuse faith. He's not even the only president to have misused faith to get in office, and then degraded it once in office. In fact, the Bush Administration leveraged christian conservatives across the country to get him into office, then he did NOTHING for them. As if that wasn't enough, Bush administration officials have been caught talking all kinds of smack about those christians who put them in office in the first place.

So don't think Obama is the first and only guy to use religion to his advantage. They all do it, even regular citizens do it. I would venture to guess that HALF the people in church are only there for networking purposes. It's a great way to save money, my sister got 50% off a car she just bought 'cause she bought it from a guy who goes to her church and works at a dealership. Everyone uses religion, even the religious.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:06 PM
link   
This is just pathetic. How many more threads do we need, claiming that Obama is the anti-christ, claiming that he is muslim, claiming all this propaganda that is not just unconfirmed-it is completely untrue?

The truth is, all of these threads are nothing more than people feeling upset that their guy didnt get elected.

If you guys are going to keep this up, can't yuo at least either
A)Come up with some new material; or
B)Actually back up anything that you say with a factual source?

Next thing you know, we are going to have threads claiming he is the anti-christ because he keeps his hair "high and tight".

Get over it. Move on.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:09 PM
link   
Obamas has never worshiped the God of Abraham, Issac, Moses, etc, etc...he only prays to his father "allah" who is satan.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:10 PM
link   
Does NO ONE even read the articles linked? First, as was stated before, the title of this thread is misleading. Secondly, the article very clearly says that he's simply not having a ceremony - just as ADMINISTRATIONS PRIOR TO GEORGE BUSH's didn't do either.

So basicly, just because he doesn't do as the last administration, doesn't mean he's 'abandoned his faith'.

Again, we've turned a non-story into some huge drama that has no basis.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:11 PM
link   
i am no Obama supporter

also i am not a believer in any of that Organized religion bollocks, i don't believe in Christianity,Catholicism,Jewish,Muslim,Islam Etc Etc ..

so for me the separation of Church and state is a good thing, we should not be forced fed a religion, we should be free to choose and also free to practice the religion we choose, be it Pagan,Witchcraft or Christian/Catholic even as much as I'm against the whole "bible story" "god and Jesus" and i think people follow into it blind, who am i to say what you should believe in

now do i think just by obama not doing a public prayer is a big step towards separation of church and state? no not a'tall. do i think there should be a National Day Of Prayer? no i don't think there should, it should be freewill, free choice




[edit on 7-5-2009 by Darth_Prime]



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:22 PM
link   

Originally posted by hounddoghowlie

is it not ture that david,solomon and countless other kings stood before the nation of israsel in prayer!

is it not ture that Jesus lead the 12. and many others in prayer!

Mat: 18 V 19 , 20
Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for. it will be done for you on earth by my father who is in heaven.
For where two or three come togather in my name, there am I with them.
NIV


First of all what David or Solomon did or did not is completely irrelevant to this discussion since Obama is the President of the United States not Israel.

Secondly, you have done exactly what Obama was mocking. You have selectively chosen a passage from the bible that supports your view and presented it as if it were a direct endorsement from God of your position.

That is disingenuous. I could easily find one that disagrees with you (in fact I believe one was quoted earlier in this thread) and then where would we be?

Finally, you are free to believe as you choose, but it's hard to hold someone responsible for not disclosing something that he claims is a lie. And there is no evidence whatsoever to support those the charge, by the way.

Let me ask you this. Would you not vote for Obama if was a member of the Muslim religion?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:25 PM
link   

Originally posted by Rockstrongo37


I know that this will make many people mad at me, but my point is to shed light on a deception that strikes at the core of President Obama’s very character as a person. To the “christians” who voted for this man believing that he was a Christian himself…you have been deceived. The idea that a man with such a “deep and powerful” faith would literally end the celebration of the National Day of Prayer at the Whitehouse, and doing this after campaigning as a “christian” just shows that he is willing to do and say anything to get what he wants, a typical politician. Many will respond this morning saying that this is a small issue and I’m over reacting, but I say that this is a huge issue and reveals that this man will campaign using something so sacred as “faith” just to be elected. He’s no different than any other politician. America…wake up! He isn’t the messiah, he’s a man not our “salvation”. To you Christians who were conned by him, I hope there is a lesson learned here.

www.u snews.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


No big deal, honestly. He wasn't the first president that lied about being Christian. Infact the first president that lied about being christian was the first president.
It isn't deception, it's just religious nuts that get afraid when they see something that's not them. But most people knew he wasn't christian. See some of his comments about the bible.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:27 PM
link   

Originally posted by Miraj

It isn't deception, it's just religious nuts that get afraid when they see something that's not them. But most people knew he wasn't christian. See some of his comments about the bible.


Why do I do this?

Which comments? Please elaborate?



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by heliosprime
Obamas has never worshiped the God of Abraham, Issac, Moses, etc, etc...he only prays to his father "allah" who is satan.


You actually believe that don't you ...?

I knew the "Omaba is a secrit muslim" crowd was going to have a field day when i first picked up on this, and indeed, my prediction is coming trough it seems, The religious nutcases have found yet another convenient "stick" to wack their "dog" with...

Do you have any idea how this makes you look ?
It's time to FACE reality people, separation of church and state is a rerequisite for democracy.

So I say, Good call Obama.



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:40 PM
link   
reply to post by Jadette
 


for me its the fact that he claims to be a christain, and then he will not stand up in front of his fellow beleivers and lead us in a prayer. every pres from 1952 has done this. is he telling us the truth or is he tring to be pc or is he affraid or is he a muslim. i dont know, i tend to beleive he is a muslim

if he is a christain, i would think that he would want to stand as our leader and and let other beleivers both dem & reps know that. and i would also think that others who are not christain, would respect the fact that he did.

you know the more i see this man and all the things he and the dem leaders in congress are tring to get passed in this country, i think that they be one of them.

You Know The Worlders



posted on May, 7 2009 @ 12:44 PM
link   

Originally posted by Night Watchman

Originally posted by Miraj

It isn't deception, it's just religious nuts that get afraid when they see something that's not them. But most people knew he wasn't christian. See some of his comments about the bible.


Why do I do this?

Which comments? Please elaborate?

Psychology has shown that.. people are afraid just because someone is of another group.

That's how things like racism exist so easily, and its the reason people get afraid when others aren't christian.

The comments I refer to are where he points out that the bible instructs us to stone disobedient children, and where he said that the DHS would never survive if they listened to the sermon on the mount.




top topics



 
0
<< 1  2    4  5  6 >>

log in

join